View Full Version : Man shot dead in scuffle with NYC cop on his stoop


sawbad
07-12-2009, 10:09 PM
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NEW YORK (AP) - A man who told an undercover policeman to get off his family's stoop punched the officer and struggled over the officer's gun before being shot dead, police said Sunday.

Shem Walker hit the officer on the head and grabbed his gun Saturday night, police said. Other officers heard the undercover officer or a plainclothes colleague identify themselves, top police spokesman Paul Browne said.

But Walker's relatives said they were nearby and didn't hear any officers identify themselves, said Councilwoman Letitia James, who visited the family Sunday. The shooting raised questions about police conduct, she said.

The undercover officer was serving as backup for a Brooklyn drug investigation at a deli a few doors down from the stoop in the Clinton Hill neighborhood, Browne said. The racially and culturally diverse neighborhood is where the rapper The Notorious B.I.G. grew up.


The drug investigation didn't involve Walker, but he came out of the home around 8 p.m. and told the officer to leave, hitting him on the back of the head and saying, "If you don't move, I'll make you move," the police spokesman said.

When the officer stood up to confront him, Walker punched the officer in the face and the two tumbled to the ground, Browne said. Another plainclothes officer involved in the investigation tried to grab Walker, who shook him off, he said.

The first officer had drawn his gun, and Walker grabbed it, Browne said. The gun went off twice as the two scuffled, shooting Walker once in the chest, Browne said.

Other officers nearby said they had heard someone yell, "Police! Don't move," and a civilian witness heard a shout of "Freeze!" Browne said.

The 36-year-old officer, whose name wasn't released, needed two stitches for a cut to his head. He's been placed on administrative duty, as is standard while shootings are investigated, Browne said.

James, a Brooklyn Democrat, told reporters the discrepancy between the police account and the family's account "raises some serious questions in my mind."

Walker, 49, often asked people not to linger on the stoop, said James, whose district includes the neighborhood, home to actress Rosie Perez and rapper-actor Mos Def.

Walker's sister, Jean Nurse, said he was a "good person at heart" and the father of two daughters. She declined to comment further.

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myplace
07-13-2009, 12:27 AM
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NEW YORK (AP) - A man who told an undercover policeman to get off his family's stoop punched the officer and struggled over the officer's gun before being shot dead, police said Sunday.

Shem Walker hit the officer on the head and grabbed his gun Saturday night, police said. Other officers heard the undercover officer or a plainclothes colleague identify themselves, top police spokesman Paul Browne said.

But Walker's relatives said they were nearby and didn't hear any officers identify themselves, said Councilwoman Letitia James, who visited the family Sunday. The shooting raised questions about police conduct, she said.

The undercover officer was serving as backup for a Brooklyn drug investigation at a deli a few doors down from the stoop in the Clinton Hill neighborhood, Browne said. The racially and culturally diverse neighborhood is where the rapper The Notorious B.I.G. grew up.


The drug investigation didn't involve Walker, but he came out of the home around 8 p.m. and told the officer to leave, hitting him on the back of the head and saying, "If you don't move, I'll make you move," the police spokesman said.

When the officer stood up to confront him, Walker punched the officer in the face and the two tumbled to the ground, Browne said. Another plainclothes officer involved in the investigation tried to grab Walker, who shook him off, he said.

The first officer had drawn his gun, and Walker grabbed it, Browne said. The gun went off twice as the two scuffled, shooting Walker once in the chest, Browne said.

Other officers nearby said they had heard someone yell, "Police! Don't move," and a civilian witness heard a shout of "Freeze!" Browne said.

The 36-year-old officer, whose name wasn't released, needed two stitches for a cut to his head. He's been placed on administrative duty, as is standard while shootings are investigated, Browne said.

James, a Brooklyn Democrat, told reporters the discrepancy between the police account and the family's account "raises some serious questions in my mind."

Walker, 49, often asked people not to linger on the stoop, said James, whose district includes the neighborhood, home to actress Rosie Perez and rapper-actor Mos Def.

Walker's sister, Jean Nurse, said he was a "good person at heart" and the father of two daughters. She declined to comment further.

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wfd275
07-13-2009, 08:02 AM
Sounds like they did a great job. Officers are not hurt, public kept safe. Unfortunate for the man who picked this battle. Perhaps the incident could have been avoided if the civilian used his communication skills, rather then his street skills.

bryven
07-13-2009, 08:59 AM
His stoop is the same as your front yard, if some clown was standing in your front yard and you asked him to leave and he responded with a derogatory statement or gesture, what would you do? The problems as always with the cops and the citizens are the cops have the mentality that comes from the old cliché, “Where are your papers old man" AKA (drivers license) and the people are tired of the government involved in EVERY aspect of their lives. The cop should have just said nothing and walked off the stoop, problem solved..........:o:eek::idea::idea:

mefnikk
07-16-2009, 03:47 PM
His stoop is the same as your front yard, if some clown was standing in your front yard and you asked him to leave and he responded with a derogatory statement or gesture, what would you do? The problems as always with the cops and the citizens are the cops have the mentality that comes from the old cliché, “Where are your papers old man" AKA (drivers license) and the people are tired of the government involved in EVERY aspect of their lives. The cop should have just said nothing and walked off the stoop, problem solved..........:o:eek::idea::idea:

EXACTLY!

If the guy was not involved in the investigation and no warrant had been served to use his premises, the cop should have gotten off his property.

A cop is not above the law just like any civilian.

I hope this guy's family receives millions in the civil case.

sellit27
07-16-2009, 07:17 PM
you guys are absolutely correct and lets not miss that at the time of the shooting(murder) there were 2 cops and with all the training could not sub-do or better yet reason or come to a compromise .im sorry but that whole situation is no way no how,serving and protecting or keeping the piece.lets not forget people even this dead man had paid to give that very cop a job. this type of abuse is common activities today,why should we pay for a service that is more like a threat rather than security?????:thmbdn::thmbdn::thmbdn::thmbdn:

grunt
07-16-2009, 07:41 PM
EXACTLY!

If the guy was not involved in the investigation and no warrant had been served to use his premises, the cop should have gotten off his property.

A cop is not above the law just like any civilian.

I hope this guy's family receives millions in the civil case.

Now u talking , this Victim doesn't know nothing or wants to be involved in nothing.because we all know god forbid the drug dealers would of seen this cop sitting on the mans property . They would kill him just for that . but now a innocent man lie's on a slab and the cop was the victim . All the cop had to do is leave . But being a NYPD ,he thought and figured this is a easy collar . Cause no one tells the NYPD wat to do . Now face the Music and get ready cause ur gun & badge are history .Now wat ! :yes: