D*sh Network LLC has failed to put an immediate stop to Sonicview

By Samuel Howard

New York (July 27, 2009): D*sh Network LLC has failed to put an immediate stop to Sonicview USA’s alleged pirating of satellite television programming, as a federal judge has refused to grant a temporary restraining order without first notifying the defendants of the allegations.

On Thursday, Judge M. James Lorenz of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California said the plaintiffs had established the probability of prevailing on claims that Sonicview violates D*sh Network’s copyright protections, but he decided against issuing an ex parte TRO and seizure order as it would effectively shutter the defendants’ business.
Plaintiffs D*sh Network, Ech*Star Technologies LLC and N*graStar LLC sought a TRO when they filed suit July 17, without serving Sonicview with the complaint, claiming the defendants sell devices and technology used to illegally decrypt D*sh Network programming.

Judge Lorenz acknowledged the merit of the plaintiffs’ claims under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, the Communications Act and the Electronic Communications Privacy Act but came short of issuing the ex parte TRO, deeming the seizure order too severe a remedy for the circumstances.

While the defendants may indeed be heavily involved in the manufacture of receivers and software used to intercept and steal D*sh Network’s encrypted signal, issuing the TRO without notice to the defendants risks causing excessive hardship, according to the order.

“In essence, plaintiffs seek to close defendants’ business, including the distribution of any equipment that is not used to pirate D*sh Network’s programming. Contrary to plaintiffs’ claim, the proposed injunction would cause defendants hardship,” Judge Lorenz said.

Plaintiffs failed to substantiate claims that the ex parte TRO is appropriate because Sonicview will likely destroy evidence if they are given notice of the litigation, court said, adding that such intervention is only ever rarely justified.

D*sh Networks contended that the balance of hardship recommended granting the TRO because the order would simply require the defendants to comply with federal and California copyright law, according to the order.

Sonicview allegedly sells its pirating technology through a storefront as well as numerous Web sites.

Dish Network conducted an undercover investigation that confirmed the defendant is developing a device capable of hacking D*sh Network’s latest security system, according to the complaint.

D*sh Network satellite system provides satellite television programming to over 13 million subscribers in the U.S., and the defendant specializes in providing technology that enables consumers to illegally access the programming, the complaint says.

Representatives for D*sh Network could not be reached for comment Monday.


Plaintiffs are represented by Hagan Noll & Boyle LLC.
Counsel information for defendants was not available Monday.
The case is D*sh Network LLC et al. v. Sonicview USA Inc. et al., case number 3:09-cv-01553, in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California

what the .... does that say ? isit good or bad for sonicview? they always said go 2 school.lol

Thanks AZA.

Very good news indeed for FTA equipment ownership by the masses. Choice is King.

Rte.66 ~~This Bin's For You!~~

Well, it sounds good for me. If the judge didn't close them down, then they have time to re-manage, I hope they just listen and create factory software to be used with iHub as they state in the beginning.

Sonicview... what a shame... I have used their products for free o air for years... I am disgusted that they would stoop to this level... heh heh...

D*sh Network LLC has failed to put an immediate stop to Sonicview

By Samuel Howard

Dish Network conducted an undercover investigation that confirmed the defendant is developing a device capable of hacking D*sh Network’s latest security system, according to the complaint.

The case is D*sh Network LLC et al. v. Sonicview USA Inc. et al., case number 3:09-cv-01553, in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California [/FONT][/INDENT]

This is excellent news, to bad they didn't release a date that the hack would be released. :lol:

This is excellent news, to bad they didn't release a date that the hack would be released. :lol:

I believe the device they are referring to is the dongle used for IKS.

To me that's not really a "hack" but an elaborate card sharing technique. To the press and legal beagles it is a "hack".

Chalk one up for SonicView!

This gives them more time to cover their tracks. Not that they need to however....

Thanks Aza for the info.They should have to prove that Sonicview is selling products used exclusively for the purpose they allege. A man can buy a pipe to smoke legal pipe tobacco,and another can buy the same brand of pipe and use it to smoke an illegal substance.Should the pipe manufacturer be stopped from making pipes?.Sonicview makes receivers for fta how can they be responsible for their misuse.

[QUOTE=A_Z_A;581707]D*sh Network LLC has failed to put an immediate stop to Sonicview

Another good read AZA.
Thanks....:thmbup:

[QUOTE=trump62;582063]Thanks Aza for the info.They should have to prove that Sonicview is selling products used exclusively for the purpose they allege. A man can buy a pipe to smoke legal pipe tobacco,and another can buy the same brand of pipe and use it to smoke an illegal substance.Should the pipe manufacturer be stopped from making pipes?.Sonicview makes receivers for fta how can they be responsible for their misuse.[/QUO

unless the pipe smoker gets his landline telephone calls tapped and tells someone (confidential informant) what he intends to do with or how (in detail) he intends to use his pipe illegally....some guys just get diarhea of the mouth and can't help themselves.....

Sonicview maybe out of the clear for now but no doubt DN will eventually try to go after them again, this first round does indeed go to sonicview tho. I'd hafta say when sonicview released the ihub add on piece to use it for iks I was rather abit suprised because at one point in time sonicview had explained they would never go iks but now look at them. For you people that are using a iks please make sure you are cautious an very careful.

This is old news. And its not an end of the dish/sonicview lawsuit. Dish was seeking exparte restraining orders against sociview. That just means that they didn't want to tell sonicview about the lawsuit until the restraining orders were already signed. That kind of thing is very rare and its unlikely that dish lawyers actually expected any result other than what they got. Exparte is usually reserved for emergency life threatening situations such as a stalker who is threatening somebody.

Dish will attempt to get the same restraining orders again only this time sonicview will be in the courtroom.

The problem that sonicview , viewsat and others face more than anything is that the source code to their boxes is closed. The architecture is also closed. That means that nobody except someone on the inside with that information can make a new bin. So any box manufacturer that dish takes to court will have a tough time proving that they didn't write the enhanced bins themselves as opposed to "3rd parties" that they all claim. Remember that in a civil case, all dish has to do is show that its "likely" that sonicview and viewsat employed the coders that wrote the bins.

This is old news. And its not an end of the dish/sonicview lawsuit. Dish was seeking exparte restraining orders against sociview. That just means that they didn't want to tell sonicview about the lawsuit until the restraining orders were already signed. That kind of thing is very rare and its unlikely that dish lawyers actually expected any result other than what they got. Exparte is usually reserved for emergency life threatening situations such as a stalker who is threatening somebody.

Dish will attempt to get the same restraining orders again only this time sonicview will be in the courtroom.

The problem that sonicview , viewsat and others face more than anything is that the source code to their boxes is closed. The architecture is also closed. That means that nobody except someone on the inside with that information can make a new bin. So any box manufacturer that dish takes to court will have a tough time proving that they didn't write the enhanced bins themselves as opposed to "3rd parties" that they all claim. Remember that in a civil case, all dish has to do is show that its "likely" that sonicview and viewsat employed the coders that wrote the bins.

The source code was originally closed, but was quickly reverse engineered and became "open source" by means of 3rd party coders.

Proving that the manufacturers had any connection at all will be tough.

Dish Network is going after the DEALERS, not the actual manufacturers themselves. This is KEY when you are reading these lawsuits. DN is suing whoever they can ON THIS SIDE of the ocean.

Remember that the boxes are all manufactured overseas. The owners of those companies have headquarters outside of the USA and therefore "buffered" from lawsuits in this country.

DN can kill one dealer and there will be 2 or 3 waiting in line to replace them. And like a good mutation they will become smarter and stronger against the forces against them (the dealers and coders that is...)..

With each lawsuit, DN is showing what they can and cannot do to the FTA receiver market. The courts do not favor one business hell-bent on putting another one out of business and it seems they are growing tired of DN's constant whining about a problem they created.

All good for us!

Aza,
Great Read As Always..

Chuck I am with you... Sonicview is an FTA RECEIVER.. As in FREE TO AIR RECEIVER...
Read what i type Dish spies.. So in plain english sue over what?!?!?! What the hell..
It receives free to air signals Ahem Out of the Box... This is old news.. Dumpnetwork are
whining because of their Star Encryption "Pardon me BAhahahahah Hahahah Hahah.. Ahem Cough Cough and their Multi Million Dollar Encryption Excuse me "Bahhehehehahahah Cough Cough" Is all for nothing... They don't like it and like some whining little 2 year old I want it my way well guess what Chucky Baby... This is Not Your way... This is justice... Stop being a freaking Loser and Give people good programming for a descent Price and this will all end.. But Nooooooooooo you are just a weee bit too greedy So You get what you deserve... HACKED.... As far as Closed Source.. I rememeber When At&t System V version 386 was closed source.. Thats why i had a copy of it.. When it sold for 15 grand back in the 80's.... So so much for closed source.. there is no such thing... If someone wants to understand the way a chip works its pretty easy to do given the right tools Xbox's are closed source yet we hack the firmware on the drives.... I know quite a few people who actually hack the firmware itself... You can encrypt it and protect it as much as you want you will not keep a real true hacker out of it.... There is just to many hackers out there that have nothing better to do then to start Hacking a chip binary and so on... I for one am extremely Joyus over the News as Of late... One thing I do have to say is Don't talk over a landline and for God Sakes if it is a network adapter make damn well sure it receives weather
Or Firmware updates from the factory... Make it do something legal before you put the crazy thing out!!!!! But I must say I applaud the Judge on his Ruling.. This is Not Nazi Dopenetwork land they are going to have to realize that they cannot force anyone to do anything as long as it falls in the boundaries of the law... In which This certain receiver does....As Well as all the Receivers that are FTA... I love My Fta Receiver... I hug the Little fella every night.... I definatley Enjoy all the Programming I am getting "Now what that is.. Well for me to know and for Dunce network to find out (Evil laugh)

Oh let me give a tear Rag for the Dumbnetwork spies... Here cry on this... Bahahah

Tony

The source code was originally closed, but was quickly reverse engineered and became "open source" by means of 3rd party coders.

Proving that the manufacturers had any connection at all will be tough.

Dish Network is going after the DEALERS, not the actual manufacturers themselves. This is KEY when you are reading these lawsuits. DN is suing whoever they can ON THIS SIDE of the ocean.

Remember that the boxes are all manufactured overseas. The owners of those companies have headquarters outside of the USA and therefore "buffered" from lawsuits in this country.

DN can kill one dealer and there will be 2 or 3 waiting in line to replace them. And like a good mutation they will become smarter and stronger against the forces against them (the dealers and coders that is...)..

With each lawsuit, DN is showing what they can and cannot do to the FTA receiver market. The courts do not favor one business hell-bent on putting another one out of business and it seems they are growing tired of DN's constant whining about a problem they created.

All good for us!

Great post! I agree with every word. Unfortunately, cardbanger sites are rejoicing the fact that the FTA dealers are facing difficult times with DN legal team....not realizing that every victory that DN achieves further diminishes the line between what we do as a hobby and what is deemed illegal and thus grounds for civil/criminal lawsuits. They are not seeing the big picture---every loss that DN accumulates in the court makes it more and more difficult for them to maintain legal grounds for the lawsuits. Cardbangers should be supporting the cause of FTA because their victory is better for all testers!

I must say, some very excellent reading and well put together thoughts....

As far at the card folks go, wonder what they are all so happy over, they are as black as many FTA owners are.

Also many of them are increasingly turning to the Slinger to return there receivers to working order. So if Charles manages to shut IKS down they will also be crap out of luck. So those folks might want to be careful what they wish for,,,,,,

All i can say is GO SONICVIEW!!!!!!!:thmbup:

keep suing u whining swines:lol:judgment fta :clap:

This is all or nothing, if Charlie lose's, Fta will grow like wild fire !

i bet the judge has the 8000hd,,, thats why

thanks again aza. great read

i bet the judge has the 8000hd,,, thats why

If he has the sv4000, then sonicview is screwed. He will probably wonder how hackers reverse engineered the box so fast after it first came out, but then lost the source as soon as the new model came out. Hmmm.

D*sh Network LLC has failed to put an immediate stop to Sonicview
By Samuel Howard
New York (July 27, 2009): D*sh Network LLC has failed to put an immediate stop to Sonicview USA’s alleged pirating of satellite television programming, as a federal judge has refused to grant a temporary restraining order without first notifying the defendants of the allegations.

On Thursday, Judge M. James Lorenz of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California said the plaintiffs had established the probability of prevailing on claims that Sonicview violates D*sh Network’s copyright protections, but he decided against issuing an ex parte TRO and seizure order as it would effectively shutter the defendants’ business.
Plaintiffs D*sh Network, Ech*Star Technologies LLC and N*graStar LLC sought a TRO when they filed suit July 17, without serving Sonicview with the complaint, claiming the defendants sell devices and technology used to illegally decrypt D*sh Network programming.

Judge Lorenz acknowledged the merit of the plaintiffs’ claims under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, the Communications Act and the Electronic Communications Privacy Act but came short of issuing the ex parte TRO, deeming the seizure order too severe a remedy for the circumstances.

While the defendants may indeed be heavily involved in the manufacture of receivers and software used to intercept and steal D*sh Network’s encrypted signal, issuing the TRO without notice to the defendants risks causing excessive hardship, according to the order.

“In essence, plaintiffs seek to close defendants’ business, including the distribution of any equipment that is not used to pirate D*sh Network’s programming. Contrary to plaintiffs’ claim, the proposed injunction would cause defendants hardship,” Judge Lorenz said.

Plaintiffs failed to substantiate claims that the ex parte TRO is appropriate because Sonicview will likely destroy evidence if they are given notice of the litigation, court said, adding that such intervention is only ever rarely justified.

D*sh Networks contended that the balance of hardship recommended granting the TRO because the order would simply require the defendants to comply with federal and California copyright law, according to the order.

Sonicview allegedly sells its pirating technology through a storefront as well as numerous Web sites.

Dish Network conducted an undercover investigation that confirmed the defendant is developing a device capable of hacking D*sh Network’s latest security system, according to the complaint.

D*sh Network satellite system provides satellite television programming to over 13 million subscribers in the U.S., and the defendant specializes in providing technology that enables consumers to illegally access the programming, the complaint says.

Representatives for D*sh Network could not be reached for comment Monday.

Plaintiffs are represented by Hagan Noll & Boyle LLC.
Counsel information for defendants was not available Monday.
The case is D*sh Network LLC et al. v. Sonicview USA Inc. et al., case number 3:09-cv-01553, in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California

D*sh Network LLC has failed to put an immediate stop to Sonicview
By Samuel Howard
New York (July 27, 2009): D*sh Network LLC has failed to put an immediate stop to Sonicview USA’s alleged pirating of satellite television programming, as a federal judge has refused to grant a temporary restraining order without first notifying the defendants of the allegations.

On Thursday, Judge M. James Lorenz of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California said the plaintiffs had established the probability of prevailing on claims that Sonicview violates D*sh Network’s copyright protections, but he decided against issuing an ex parte TRO and seizure order as it would effectively shutter the defendants’ business.
Plaintiffs D*sh Network, Ech*Star Technologies LLC and N*graStar LLC sought a TRO when they filed suit July 17, without serving Sonicview with the complaint, claiming the defendants sell devices and technology used to illegally decrypt D*sh Network programming.

Judge Lorenz acknowledged the merit of the plaintiffs’ claims under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, the Communications Act and the Electronic Communications Privacy Act but came short of issuing the ex parte TRO, deeming the seizure order too severe a remedy for the circumstances.

While the defendants may indeed be heavily involved in the manufacture of receivers and software used to intercept and steal D*sh Network’s encrypted signal, issuing the TRO without notice to the defendants risks causing excessive hardship, according to the order.

“In essence, plaintiffs seek to close defendants’ business, including the distribution of any equipment that is not used to pirate D*sh Network’s programming. Contrary to plaintiffs’ claim, the proposed injunction would cause defendants hardship,” Judge Lorenz said.

Plaintiffs failed to substantiate claims that the ex parte TRO is appropriate because Sonicview will likely destroy evidence if they are given notice of the litigation, court said, adding that such intervention is only ever rarely justified.

D*sh Networks contended that the balance of hardship recommended granting the TRO because the order would simply require the defendants to comply with federal and California copyright law, according to the order.

Sonicview allegedly sells its pirating technology through a storefront as well as numerous Web sites.

Dish Network conducted an undercover investigation that confirmed the defendant is developing a device capable of hacking D*sh Network’s latest security system, according to the complaint.

D*sh Network satellite system provides satellite television programming to over 13 million subscribers in the U.S., and the defendant specializes in providing technology that enables consumers to illegally access the programming, the complaint says.

Representatives for D*sh Network could not be reached for comment Monday.

Plaintiffs are represented by Hagan Noll & Boyle LLC.
Counsel information for defendants was not available Monday.
The case is D*sh Network LLC et al. v. Sonicview USA Inc. et al., case number 3:09-cv-01553, in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California

What in the hell that this post say that the first post in this thread did not?:mad: Perhaps you should have READ the entire thread before posting this?

This is wonderful news for the industry.The decision brought down by the courts clearly proves that there is not a political will to stop pirating,if there were the decision by the judge could have turned out differently.Having said this the legal system save the firm that is retained by D**** has very little interest in this industry.Well except perhaps those that own them.Charlies lawyers don,t like FTA but then again who knows they probably have free sat from Dish.The point is this is not glamorus or sexy enough and,unless he goes after the end users is certainly not very profitable.Look for the man who can't except the fact he doesn't own the world just whats outside its boundaries, to be advised to work on better security and stop tying up the courts valuable resources.I am sure that the taxpayers who are on the hook for this legal stuff,don't want to protect his personal interest.We have some seriuos issues we need to tend to in this world and his bottom line isn't one of them.In closing I have very little to write but i feel confident this is a fairly accurate post.I have alot of respect for the knowledge of the Mods and this is a wonderful place to learn.:thmbup:

Aza,
Great Read As Always..

Chuck I am with you... Sonicview is an FTA RECEIVER.. As in FREE TO AIR RECEIVER...
Read what i type Dish spies.. So in plain english sue over what?!?!?! What the hell..
It receives free to air signals Ahem Out of the Box... This is old news.. Dumpnetwork are
whining because of their Star Encryption "Pardon me BAhahahahah Hahahah Hahah.. Ahem Cough Cough and their Multi Million Dollar Encryption Excuse me "Bahhehehehahahah Cough Cough" Is all for nothing... They don't like it and like some whining little 2 year old I want it my way well guess what Chucky Baby... This is Not Your way... This is justice... Stop being a freaking Loser and Give people good programming for a descent Price and this will all end.. But Nooooooooooo you are just a weee bit too greedy So You get what you deserve... HACKED.... As far as Closed Source.. I rememeber When At&t System V version 386 was closed source.. Thats why i had a copy of it.. When it sold for 15 grand back in the 80's.... So so much for closed source.. there is no such thing... If someone wants to understand the way a chip works its pretty easy to do given the right tools Xbox's are closed source yet we hack the firmware on the drives.... I know quite a few people who actually hack the firmware itself... You can encrypt it and protect it as much as you want you will not keep a real true hacker out of it.... There is just to many hackers out there that have nothing better to do then to start Hacking a chip binary and so on... I for one am extremely Joyus over the News as Of late... One thing I do have to say is Don't talk over a landline and for God Sakes if it is a network adapter make damn well sure it receives weather
Or Firmware updates from the factory... Make it do something legal before you put the crazy thing out!!!!! But I must say I applaud the Judge on his Ruling.. This is Not Nazi Dopenetwork land they are going to have to realize that they cannot force anyone to do anything as long as it falls in the boundaries of the law... In which This certain receiver does....As Well as all the Receivers that are FTA... I love My Fta Receiver... I hug the Little fella every night.... I definatley Enjoy all the Programming I am getting "Now what that is.. Well for me to know and for Dunce network to find out (Evil laugh)

Oh let me give a tear Rag for the Dumbnetwork spies... Here cry on this... Bahahah

Tony

So you said "chip is easy to hak" is it done or you have done it?? then why its not out there....I easy to talk and don't get me wrong but some developer doing a hard work to crack this.

thanks for the good read aza

Thanx AZA for a good read!!!!!!!

this is excellent news indeed. All we need is the release date of the hack... thank you sonicview.... i hope it's soon.

One think is for sure, if they filed a suit Jul 17 they know N3 is venerable, if they had a water tight encryption they wouldn't worry.

So you said "chip is easy to hak" is it done or you have done it?? then why its not out there....I easy to talk and don't get me wrong but some developer doing a hard work to crack this.

Hapz,
I did not Say it was easy at all... Who said that?!?!?! where did i ever say it was easy..

No.1 Developers??? No man Not Developers.. Spade is a spade... HACKER....
They are not Developing anything they are Decrypting and Reverse engineering
Encryption... What comes from that is a hack....

No.2 I never said it was easy What i said was there are thousands of Hackers out there
that will crack it... I did not say it was easy at all... What i did say its Douchebag nets own fault for putting out an encryption that is about to be worthless....

No.3 As for Hacking a chip.... Ok Decap it with acid Electronic Microscope and someone who is bound and determined.. Pretty much.. um its over....

As far as me doing this... No I was more into hacking mainframes years ago... When I was a young adult... As in Vax's Primes Dec pdp 11/70's Ibm 3090's Ncr 1432's running unix.. Primos, cpl, vms, unix, vm... As far as Phone systems Kosmos Switching stations along with ess 4's Crossbar 5's crossbar 4's and yes i read the bell tech journals when i was a kid in a library... Nice of bell to put them there taught me all about ccit signaling... Yes i am you could say... um Adept.... So yeah I think i just might have somewhat of an idea of what this is all about..... Being it is actually machine code... which is usually run by a processor.. Its um algorithmic I do believe, correct me if i am wrong... So um yes i think I have some knowledge.. I am sure not as much as you but you know I try.....

Have a good one!
Tony

Well, it sounds good for me. If the judge didn't close them down, then they have time to re-manage, I hope they just listen and create factory software to be used with iHub as they state in the beginning.

Its tragic news for SV and FTA. The Judge has ruled in favor of DN stating YES SV is doing what its doing. Now I want you (DN) to wait a day and notify SV you are going to seize everything then come back here and we will do it. The Judge just told SV in so many words, see you boys real soon. Some of you may think this is good news, but again some of you only read what you want to read. "Not good at all" SV will be sued and very soon.

It's About Time It happens to DN

Its tragic news for SV and FTA. The Judge has ruled in favor of DN stating YES SV is doing what its doing. Now I want you (DN) to wait a day and notify SV you are going to seize everything then come back here and we will do it. The Judge just told SV in so many words, see you boys real soon. Some of you may think this is good news, but again some of you only read what you want to read. "Not good at all" SV will be sued and very soon.

I believe anyone with half a brain could see that...

hacking cracking??? there is alot of noobs in here wow lol

Its tragic news for SV and FTA. The Judge has ruled in favor of DN stating YES SV is doing what its doing. Now I want you (DN) to wait a day and notify SV you are going to seize everything then come back here and we will do it. The Judge just told SV in so many words, see you boys real soon. Some of you may think this is good news, but again some of you only read what you want to read. "Not good at all" SV will be sued and very soon.

So you decided to join recently to tell us what is good and bad? seems it's bad for you but you got to see the whole picture from start. They are already been sued what is new in that? we expect it coming, for other providers too if you don't know. DK is doing very harsh moves to stop or prevent anything that they neglect in past. They are trying to manage and control the market. If SV could have time as stated from the document then they could regroup. It's all a game, with a high risk.

If only i could put my assembly language skills to good use....fta hackers would have an extra hand?

The saga for SV continues..............it is not over yet by any means! This doc can't be good news for SV.

Sonicview maybe out of the clear for now but no doubt DN will eventually try to go after them again, this first round does indeed go to sonicview tho. I'd hafta say when sonicview released the ihub add on piece to use it for iks I was rather abit suprised because at one point in time sonicview had explained they would never go iks but now look at them. For you people that are using a iks please make sure you are cautious an very careful.

true but stopping the manufacturing or distribution of internet equiped FTA receivers & dongles will not be an easy task for dishnet, simply stating that illeagal tv reception is the only purpose for these devices is BS, if manufacturers do it right & release factory software to allow users to connect to a game server or stream media to or from the fta box to their PC over their home network the device then has a viable leagal purpose, what right does one company have to put another out of business just because someone has found a way to use the device for illegal purposes, I do not see the courts stopping the production of guns because 90% of them are used to commit crimes or shoot people, no the other 10% witch are used for hunting & self defense ensure that a nice flow of hardware is readily available if you decide to rob the local mini mart or shoot the guy next door because his dog keeps pooping on your lawn, oh my god what has this world come to! :evil: LOL

another great post thanks aza keep up the great work

The saga for SV continues..............it is not over yet by any means! This doc can't be good news for SV.

Any lawyer worth his salt would shred this guy......wonder what a lawyer with engineering degrees from MIT and Stanford do to him...

Oh that was you hakin my PDP 11/34s LOL.

"Back then I was in charge of million $ equipment now I can't get a job parkin cars!! " - Rambo

so lets go and smoke the pipe some fta for now

Any lawyer worth his salt would shred this guy......wonder what a lawyer with engineering degrees from MIT and Stanford do to him...
forget lawyers all it would take is one of the wild feed hunters point out that nbc (on amc 1) cbs over on c band all use 8psk which blow he 8psk is for evil pirates theory and since 8psk is becoming more common sv can claim 8psk models were planed but some else beat them to punch

there are several issuses,
1. is this guy quaified asan expert? he is just qualifed as mickey mouse is.
2. damages? dish network has to prove they have suffered financial damages. with COOLSAT taking the 106 millidollar hit, any lawyer is going to say that dish network has never spent 106 towards piracy, so they are still alot of money ahead. Now that you have no damages... how can you get a judgemnet for money? coolsat is the hero,,,,, they took the hit to keep fta alive,,,,,,oh there is a plan,,, bamkruptcy? maybe a new system? maybe stocks in dish network? LOL,,
anyways,
dish is going to have a lot of problems now, thanks to coolsat...........
this is just my 2 cents

The saga for SV continues..............it is not over yet by any means! This doc can't be good news for SV.

Did you catch Nigel's Blog address near the end of his annalysis? Like the 3rd page of his qualifications purporting to being an expert to judge FTA.

Wonder what's happening there now?


Rte.66~~

Did you catch Nigel's Blog address near the end of his annalysis? Like the 3rd page of his qualifications purporting to being an expert to judge FTA.

Wonder what's happening there now?


Rte.66~~
I sure did, haha. What's your point?

I sure did, haha. What's your point?

Ohhh?!?... Nothing.:sly:

Rte.66~~

Ohhh?!?... Nothing.:sly:

Rte.66~~
Ahhh, Ok!:cool: