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Dalakerman06
08-11-2009, 03:56 PM
GM Says Volt Will Get 230 mpg in City Driving

General Motors Corp. said Tuesday its Chevrolet Volt rechargeable electric car should get 230 miles per gallon (98 kilometers per liter) of gasoline in city driving, more than four times the current champion, the Toyota Prius. The Volt is powered by an electric motor and a battery pack with a 40-mile (65-kilometer) range. After that, a small internal combustion engine kicks in to generate electricity for a total range of 300 miles (480 kilometers). The battery pack can be recharged from a standard home outlet. GM came up with the 230-mile (370-kilometer) figure in early tests using draft guidelines from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency for calculating the mileage of extended range electric vehicles, said Tony Posawatz, GM's vehicle line director for the Volt. If the figure is confirmed by the EPA, which does the tests for the mileage posted on new car door stickers, the Volt would be the first car to exceed triple-digit gas mileage, Posawatz said. GM has produced about 30 Volts so far and is making 10 a week, CEO Fritz Henderson said during a presentation of the vehicle at the company's technical center in the Detroit suburb of Warren. Henderson said charging the volt will cost about 40 cents a day. "The EPA labels can and will be a game changer for us," he said. Most automakers are working similar plug-in designs, but GM could be the leader with the Volt, which is due in showrooms late in 2010. Toyota's Prius, the most efficient car now sold in the U.S., gets 48 miles per gallon (20 kilometers per liter) of gas. It is a gas-electric hybrid that runs on a small internal combustion engine assisted by a battery-powered electric motor to save gasoline. The first-generation Volt is expected to cost near $40,000, making it cost-prohibitive to many people even if gasoline returns to $4 per gallon. The price is expected to drop with future generations of the Volt, but GM has said government tax credits and the savings on fuel could make it cost-effective, especially at 230 miles per gallon (98 kilometers per liter). "We get a little cautious about trying to forecast what fuel prices will do," Posawatz said. "We achieved this number and if fuel prices go up, it certainly does get more attractive even in the near-term generation," he said. Figures for the Volt's highway and combined city/highway mileage have not yet been calculated, Posawatz said. The combined mileage will be in the triple digits as well, he said, but both combined and highway will be worse than city because the engine runs more on longer highway trips. The EPA guidelines, developed with input from automakers, figure that cars like the Volt will travel more on straight electricity in the city than on the highway. If a person drives the Volt less than 40 miles (65 kilometers), in theory they could go without using gasoline. The mileage figure could vary as the guidelines are refined and the Volt gets further along in the manufacturing process, Posawatz said. GM is nearly halfway through building about 80 Volts that will look and behave like the production model, and testing is running on schedule, Posawatz said. Two critical areas, battery life and the electronic switching between battery and engine power, are still being refined, but the car is on schedule to reach showrooms late in 2010, he said. GM is simulating tests to make sure the new lithium-ion batteries last 10 years, Posawatz said. "We're further along, but we're still quite a ways from home," he said. "We're developing quite a knowledge base on all this stuff. Our confidence is growing." The other area of new technology, switching between battery and engine power, is proceeding well, he said, with engineers just fine-tuning the operations. "We're very pleased with the transition from when it's driving EV (electric vehicle) to when the engine and generator kick in," he said, GM also is finishing work on the power cord, which will be durable enough that it can survive being run over by the car. The Volt, he said, will have software on board so it can be programmed to begin and end charging during off-peak electrical use hours. Chrysler LLC, Ford Motor Co. and Daimler AG are all developing plug-ins and electric cars, and Toyota Motor Corp. is working on a plug-in version of its gas-electric hybrid system. Nissan Motor Co. announced last month that it would begin selling an electric vehicle in Japan and the U.S. next year.

Grandpooba
08-12-2009, 09:45 AM
240 MPG may be true, but you need to consider the cost of the electricity used to re-charge the batterys. To drive 40 miles on batterys, it will take a lot of power to recharge them.

wilson142
08-12-2009, 09:51 AM
240 MPG may be true, but you need to consider the cost of the electricity used to re-charge the batterys. To drive 40 miles on batterys, it will take a lot of power to recharge them.



Henderson said charging the volt will cost about 40 cents a day. I think more of a problem might be where are you going to charge it.

DougR
08-12-2009, 10:37 AM
Henderson said charging the volt will cost about 40 cents a day. I think more of a problem might be where are you going to charge it.

Haha...that's before "Cap & Trade" kicks in,then ...........watch out " $$$$$ "!

The Prez. himself said with Cap & Trade you would see your Utilities Sky Rocket !
Ah...no wonder their pushing it ! :clap:
More Special Interest involved?




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Grandpooba
08-12-2009, 10:39 AM
40 cents a day, if you don't drive it.
Assuming 40 miles per hour, for 1 hour. My electricity costs about 10 cents a KWH, that amounts to 4 KWHs (4000 watts for 1 hour). 4000 divided by 746 watts (746 watts = 1 hp) so that equils 5.36 HP for 1 hour. They are telling me that that vehicle will cruse at highway speeds on 5 hp, maybe off a cliff with a tail wind!

seeteesat
08-12-2009, 11:24 AM
Does that include N3?, Just asking before I buy

DougR
08-12-2009, 11:27 AM
Does that include N3?, Just asking before I buy

No...you'll need 4 " i-Hubcaps" to go with it,that's an Option ! :lol:



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tweak1
08-12-2009, 11:49 AM
40 cents a day, if you don't drive it.
Assuming 40 miles per hour, for 1 hour. My electricity costs about 10 cents a KWH, that amounts to 4 KWHs (4000 watts for 1 hour). 4000 divided by 746 watts (746 watts = 1 hp) so that equils 5.36 HP for 1 hour. They are telling me that that vehicle will cruse at highway speeds on 5 hp, maybe off a cliff with a tail wind!

They are trying to cheat the law of the conservation of energy. There is a problem with there MPG to KWH conversion.

INDIOS
08-12-2009, 01:24 PM
GM Says Volt Will Get 230 mpg in City Driving

General Motors Corp. said Tuesday its Chevrolet Volt rechargeable electric car should get 230 miles per gallon (98 kilometers per liter) of gasoline in city driving, more than four times the current champion, the Toyota Prius. The Volt is powered by an electric motor and a battery pack with a 40-mile (65-kilometer) range. After that, a small internal combustion engine kicks in to generate electricity for a total range of 300 miles (480 kilometers). The battery pack can be recharged from a standard home outlet. GM came up with the 230-mile (370-kilometer) figure in early tests using draft guidelines from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency for calculating the mileage of extended range electric vehicles, said Tony Posawatz, GM's vehicle line director for the Volt. If the figure is confirmed by the EPA, which does the tests for the mileage posted on new car door stickers, the Volt would be the first car to exceed triple-digit gas mileage, Posawatz said. GM has produced about 30 Volts so far and is making 10 a week, CEO Fritz Henderson said during a presentation of the vehicle at the company's technical center in the Detroit suburb of Warren. Henderson said charging the volt will cost about 40 cents a day. "The EPA labels can and will be a game changer for us," he said. Most automakers are working similar plug-in designs, but GM could be the leader with the Volt, which is due in showrooms late in 2010. Toyota's Prius, the most efficient car now sold in the U.S., gets 48 miles per gallon (20 kilometers per liter) of gas. It is a gas-electric hybrid that runs on a small internal combustion engine assisted by a battery-powered electric motor to save gasoline. The first-generation Volt is expected to cost near $40,000, making it cost-prohibitive to many people even if gasoline returns to $4 per gallon. The price is expected to drop with future generations of the Volt, but GM has said government tax credits and the savings on fuel could make it cost-effective, especially at 230 miles per gallon (98 kilometers per liter). "We get a little cautious about trying to forecast what fuel prices will do," Posawatz said. "We achieved this number and if fuel prices go up, it certainly does get more attractive even in the near-term generation," he said. Figures for the Volt's highway and combined city/highway mileage have not yet been calculated, Posawatz said. The combined mileage will be in the triple digits as well, he said, but both combined and highway will be worse than city because the engine runs more on longer highway trips. The EPA guidelines, developed with input from automakers, figure that cars like the Volt will travel more on straight electricity in the city than on the highway. If a person drives the Volt less than 40 miles (65 kilometers), in theory they could go without using gasoline. The mileage figure could vary as the guidelines are refined and the Volt gets further along in the manufacturing process, Posawatz said. GM is nearly halfway through building about 80 Volts that will look and behave like the production model, and testing is running on schedule, Posawatz said. Two critical areas, battery life and the electronic switching between battery and engine power, are still being refined, but the car is on schedule to reach showrooms late in 2010, he said. GM is simulating tests to make sure the new lithium-ion batteries last 10 years, Posawatz said. "We're further along, but we're still quite a ways from home," he said. "We're developing quite a knowledge base on all this stuff. Our confidence is growing." The other area of new technology, switching between battery and engine power, is proceeding well, he said, with engineers just fine-tuning the operations. "We're very pleased with the transition from when it's driving EV (electric vehicle) to when the engine and generator kick in," he said, GM also is finishing work on the power cord, which will be durable enough that it can survive being run over by the car. The Volt, he said, will have software on board so it can be programmed to begin and end charging during off-peak electrical use hours. Chrysler LLC, Ford Motor Co. and Daimler AG are all developing plug-ins and electric cars, and Toyota Motor Corp. is working on a plug-in version of its gas-electric hybrid system. Nissan Motor Co. announced last month that it would begin selling an electric vehicle in Japan and the U.S. next year.

Sorry , 1 mile equals 1,200 meter, 1 km equals 1,000 meter,
Some seriuos recalculation needed!!!!

Anything to push a product , be smart that tech still expencive , is the future , but lets be honest dont strat with lies as the gas car, look how f**ked we are with pollution etc.:P:P

alfredonm86
08-12-2009, 01:43 PM
will this give me ppv back?

aquaitus
08-12-2009, 02:04 PM
I had heard a figure before from them that it would cost around the eqivilant of .12 a litre when charging.

schmiedel
08-12-2009, 03:30 PM
Well, the numbers from GM don't seem to be honest. They should be taking the external electricity into account, as other cars like the Prius don't use any other energy sources since the electricity they use is generated by the petrol engine.

If GM is considering a car that has to be recharged, it's consumption should be expressed in KWH/mile and MPG or something similar.

Now surely they will say the car does not generate any pollution when used as an electric car... Well, maybe the car doesn't, but how about the power plant that generated the electricity?

Regards