This article was just published on the 26th. Read and weep.

EchoStar, DISH Win Freetech Piracy Case
8/25/2009 @ 7:25 PM
DISH Network, EchoStar Technologies and conditional access provider NagraStar on Tuesday announced that the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California had ordered a $97 million consent judgment and permanent injunction against Freetech, the maker of a device used to pirate DISH's DBS signal.

The judgement, which came as the result of a lawsuit filed by DISH and the other plaintiffs, also included $9 million in damages for three of Freetech's corporate officers/owners.

As a result, Freetech agreed to forfeit all of its liquid assets and inventory to DISH Network and shut down operations immediately.

http://www.mediabiz.com/news/articles/?edit_id=12264

Just passing the news as there seemed to be some argument earlier about the settlement that was reached. Have a great day. :)

Thanks for the update and clarification.

EchoStar, DISH Win Freetech Piracy Case
8/25/2009 @ 7:25 PM
DISH Network, EchoStar Technologies and conditional access provider NagraStar on Tuesday announced that the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California had ordered a $97 million consent judgment and permanent injunction against Freetech, the maker of a device used to pirate DISH's DBS signal.
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The judgement, which came as the result of a lawsuit filed by DISH and the other plaintiffs, also included $9 million in damages for three of Freetech's corporate officers/owners.

As a result, Freetech agreed to forfeit all of its liquid assets and inventory to DISH Network and shut down operations immediately.

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what does this really mean??

what does this really mean??

Exactly what it says..... "As a result, Freetech agreed to forfeit all of its liquid assets and inventory to DISH Network and shut down operations immediately." The end unfortunatly. And with the personel judgements against the actual owners and brass, Those guys are not going to be able to declare the big B and reopen. They are ordered not to by the courts. That what an injunction is. Sad day for any freetech owners. Even if they were true FTA only. :(

Exactly what it says..... "As a result, Freetech agreed to forfeit all of its liquid assets and inventory to DISH Network and shut down operations immediately." The end unfortunatly. And with the personel judgements against the actual owners and brass, Those guys are not going to be able to declare the big B and reopen. They are ordered not to by the courts. That what an injunction is. Sad day for any freetech owners. Even if they were true FTA only. :(

Coolsats were very popular boxes... it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see hobby coders pick them up.... *fingers crossed*

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Coolsats were very popular boxes... it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see hobby coders pick them up.... *fingers crossed*

With all liquid assets, and inventory going to Chuck, I doubt it.

what does this really mean??

And uh, where's my reports?

geniusguy Uh, well, I haven't finished those up yet, but you know I... I figured since they weren't due till...

Hello? Hello? Anybody home? Huh? Think, geniusguy. Think! I gotta have time to get 'em retyped. Do you realize what would happen if I hand in my reports in your handwriting? I'll get fired. You wouldn't want that to happen, would ya? Would ya?

huh??

what does this really mean??

what it means i would say is dn won a precident case going after fta manufacturers.
which company will they decide to hit next?
could be nfusion or kbox or all of them.
this could be very bad in the end.

huh??

My thoughts exactly...

I wonder how this will efect Kbox and it's principle ?Would he not be liable having been invoved prior.And i wonder of Charles will be releasing bins for coolsats ??????lolololol

I could see Dish taking all that inventory, relabeling it with their logo and shipping it oversees to be used in the European Market. Free inventory = 100% profit margin.
Nice.

exactly what I was thinking....I could imagine Charlie the Crook that he is doing that.

what it means i would say is dn won a precident case going after fta manufacturers.
which company will they decide to hit next?
could be nfusion or kbox or all of them.
this could be very bad in the end.

Viewsat is a fairly new reciever. First one I saw was after the game started. Same thing for Sonicview. However, Pansat has been around for close to 30 years. Way long before Chuck, or Dave for that matter. I doubt that they will have a problem. But all the "Newcomers" that came into the market in the last few years could have a problem trying to show legit sales. In Pansats case they have legit sales going back to the early 80's. It will be impossible to prove that Pansat was simply here to grab Chucks signal.

By the way, Pansat is not alone either. Coship, BEC, & Dream media, (which used to be made by Nokia,) also have many years making FTA recievers. They all have been around long before Chuck. So as far as Chuck being able to prove that the oldtimers were only made to take his signal holds about as much water as a sieve. I do look for the FTA world to have just the handful of manufacturers again.

well both dn and bev have very deep pockets, if i was the top guy in any fta company right now i would be filtering some money into off shore accounts just to be safe.

All the oldtimers will do is show all the sales that were pre 2004. If you go back to the early 80's, That's alot of sales. Once a judge see's that, Case dismissed. With Prejudice. The providers did not come onto the scene till the mid 90"s. I don't care how deep their pockets are, they can't prove that the reciever was made for the sole pourpose of grabbing their signals. Mpeg2 is a world wide standard. The burdon of proof is "That there is no other legitamate use". Comming to the FTA scene recently that would be hard if not impossible to prove legit sales. Being in the game for 30 years, well that's plenty of proof. Pansat for example is made by Globaltech. Global is a multimillion company based overseas. I seriously doubt Globaltech is going to stop the manufacture of it's many brands of recievers because Chuck is crying.
They have been in the FTA bussiness too long.
If I came into this bussiness as a manufacturer as of late though, Your right. I would be a little worried...

Keith precident is only set when found guilty.This was an out of court settlement to avoid the trial.Appearently they had a pretty good case unlike Viewsats situation where all they have is speculation and hearsay.The snitches dealt the hand that faces VS for deals of freedom or lesser terms these are very hard to make stick.Bale was granted because the charges against Kwak were circumstatial at best and the judge felt flight risk was low which indicatse generally a weak case.As far as the rest How??? need information on servers located in other countries.Doable yes.Expensive extremely.Will the shareholders continue to back this and new encryption to stop piracy????? Wopuld you support this?

OOPS! My bad in the last post I made... The company is spelled Globalteq. Here is a link to all they make. http://allreceivers.com/?manufacturer=163

Also very true about the post that midal made. This was an agreed settlement. Evidently freetech was having a hard time trying to show they existed for other reasons than to grab Chucks signal. The oldtimers won't have that problem so I don't see them stopping short of a trial.

All the oldtimers will do is show all the sales that were pre 2004. If you go back to the early 80's, That's alot of sales. Once a judge see's that, Case dismissed. With Prejudice. The providers did not come onto the scene till the mid 90"s. I don't care how deep their pockets are, they can't prove that the reciever was made for the sole pourpose of grabbing their signals. Mpeg2 is a world wide standard. The burdon of proof is "That there is no other legitamate use". Comming to the FTA scene recently that would be hard if not impossible to prove legit sales. Being in the game for 30 years, well that's plenty of proof. Pansat for example is made by Globaltech. Global is a multimillion company based overseas. I seriously doubt Globaltech is going to stop the manufacture of it's many brands of recievers because Chuck is crying.
They have been in the FTA bussiness too long.
If I came into this bussiness as a manufacturer as of late though, Your right. I would be a little worried...


True... but a Pansat and a Coolsat are essentially the same thing..... so if that were the case Freetech's defence could have been that they imported receivers to compete against Pansat in the FTA market...... Echostar had to have strong evidence of a link between freetech and the coders in order to make this case stick..... hopefully they do not have that kind of evidence against other manufacturers..... If I were Jung Kwak I would be very worried

True... but a Pansat and a Coolsat are essentially the same thing..... so if that were the case Freetech's defence could have been that they imported receivers to compete against Pansat in the FTA market...... Echostar had to have strong evidence of a link between freetech and the coders in order to make this case stick..... hopefully they do not have that kind of evidence against other manufacturers..... If I were Jung Kwak I would be very worried

Pansat and coolsat are not the same thing except the FTA part. Read my post about Globalteq! Coolsat came out after the "game" started...... Globalteq has been around for way too long. Check it out. As far as kwak is concerned, he's been in trouble before with cable descramblers back in the 80's.
So I guess we see the same thing, just from different angles. :)

Thanks for the update and clarification.

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Freetech Canada, the official distributor and wholesaler of CoolSat satellite FTA receivers in USA.

Everything is true, I just talk to a rap he sad day closing

Pansat and coolsat are not the same thing except the FTA part. Read my post about Globalteq! Coolsat came out after the "game" started...... Globalteq has been around for way too long. Check it out. As far as kwak is concerned, he's been in trouble before with cable descramblers back in the 80's.
So I guess we see the same thing, just from different angles. :)

What I meant was that a pansat box and a Coolsat box are essentially the same..... certainly in the eyes of the court..... it would be unconstitutional for the courts to allow Globalteq to continue to make these units and not allow freetech to do so... that is the heart of capitalism... healthy competition.... just because coolsats did not exist prior to d1sh network does not mean that another manufacturer can't enter the FTA marketplace..... So, as I was saying... they must have had strong evidence to link freetech to the coders to be able to influence the court into deciding that their true intent was not to manufacture a device for true FTA

This article was just published on the 26th. Read and weep.

EchoStar, DISH Win Freetech Piracy Case
8/25/2009 @ 7:25 PM


As a result, Freetech agreed to forfeit all of its liquid assets and inventory to DISH Network and shut down operations immediately. :)

Does this mean their computers and a list of costumers??

Wouldn't matter!They can pick up all the names they want as the settlement was made with an exchange of money it would mean all the names and would not be able to be prosecuted by the courts unless they were attached to the lawsuit to Freetech and its principles

This Freetech case was settled without a trial.

The implications of setting a precedent are nil. Judgments as the result of full trials set precedents, not out of court settlements.

Apparently the Freetech lawyers advised their client to give up. My bet is that they were able to view Chuck's hand and saw that the evidence was insurmountable. I would guess they avoided criminal prosecution as part of the settlement as well.

When you are being sued (and I speak from experience) you have the right to "discover" whatever documents or evidence the plaintiff may present in court. This gives both parties the opportunity to settle the case without the additional legal fees, and wasting of the court's time.

... And I agree that Pansat/Globalteq have their arses covered with both hands right about now. This is one of those times where years experience in your field of expertise can save you. And the lack of it can be the end.....

what it means i would say is dn won a precident case going after fta manufacturers.
which company will they decide to hit next?
could be nfusion or kbox or all of them.
this could be very bad in the end.

In the Civil Litigation Sense yes...But pecident will not be set until the legislative branch or a federal judge in a criminal court case determines that FTA,STB's in any shape or form are illegal...Then You have precident and then you worry...lol..Right now it's civil and done on case by case basis....You can sue anyone for anything..even if you look at someone the wrong way you can be sued....Sign Of the times...:cool:

Hi everyone, I just stumbled across you fourm, and i gotta say I like it, :|>
I just read this thread and noticed it has some inaccuracys, like that there is already a judgement, The courts dont move that fast sorry to say. plus there are other inaccuracys like file numbers and dates, (no such file #)This was posted on other site's a few days ago, Plus if there was a judgemet for a sum of money that large concerning D#@&, It would of been in the News.:o
I had asked about Cool$%# in another fourm and was ,more or less told by a respected Mod, that they had taken this time to upgrade servers during cracking of N3, that is why there site is offline. But I think theres more to that story, they dont shut down a popular site like that for this long.:confused: I guess will have to wait and see how the dust settles..;)
Puke.

Its obvious the freetech group spent time developing systems and boxes to sell, and little time protecting themselves in the event this happened. Lets hope Pansat wasn,t as obvious about their role in fta as were the people from freetech.Also i believe that Chucky is more interested in Coolsat because of its IKS activities and that is why he has chased those that pose the most threat to Free tv access.

As for as Pansat become Heavy into IKS watch the eyes shift.Right now he wants VS and SV and by the way had Freetech not settled would the result have been the same.When you asked the courts to make a bussiness closing decision you better have your ducks in a row.Remember recently SV

whats freetech?

google is your friend

Its unfortunate for those of us that bought CS products because of their premiere 5 yr warranty.

I still have 3 years of warranty left on my CS 7000...... though I guess the word now is _had_

I never had any problems with it... and I suspect that I never will.... but the warranty was in fact the primary reason I chose a Freetech product.


Truely a sad day....
I don't care about NoRW... never did.

I pay for a sub, so I can call the provider and ***** at them about the crappy service I receive.. and they throw me a free month of programming when I threaten to cancel my non-contract sub and switch to a different provider.

if this is true they would get the money as was put in court ,there is no dam way that they would have to turn over inventory to d***n,they have no right to that stuff so i say its, the party is on thanks for ????? b*****s

google is your friend

i have a cw600, does that mean ill never be able to watch dishnetwork with it again?

Its unfortunate for those of us that bought CS products because of their premiere 5 yr warranty.

I still have 3 years of warranty left on my CS 7000...... though I guess the word now is _had_

I never had any problems with it... and I suspect that I never will.... but the warranty was in fact the primary reason I chose a Freetech product.


Truely a sad day....
I don't care about NoRW... never did.

I pay for a sub, so I can call the provider and ***** at them about the crappy service I receive.. and they throw me a free month of programming when I threaten to cancel my non-contract sub and switch to a different provider.:thmbup:that coolsat will work for five years.i got some order ones work great ,so day is not over yet thanks:v:

Sad News For The CoolSat Owners

most of us coolsat owners considered them dead for anything but true free to air long ago....

most of us coolsat owners considered them dead for anything but true free to air long ago....very true thanks:v:

most of us coolsat owners considered them dead for anything but true free to air long ago....

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What I meant was that a pansat box and a Coolsat box are essentially the same..... certainly in the eyes of the court..... it would be unconstitutional for the courts to allow Globalteq to continue to make these units and not allow freetech to do so... that is the heart of capitalism... healthy competition.... just because coolsats did not exist prior to d1sh network does not mean that another manufacturer can't enter the FTA marketplace..... So, as I was saying... they must have had strong evidence to link freetech to the coders to be able to influence the court into deciding that their true intent was not to manufacture a device for true FTA
I see what your saying now. LOL! I was lost earlier. But let me say this, Since the gov takeover of certian aspects of the economy, it seems to them the constitution is the last thing on their minds. The courts will enforce what is asked. In this case both parties agreed to the settlement. So that is all at this time that the court is concerned with. Why they agreed to the terms that they did is pure speculation as only the parties involved know. Maybe we will get a statement from Freetech that will answer peoples questions.

Hi everyone, I just stumbled across you fourm, and i gotta say I like it, :|>
I just read this thread and noticed it has some inaccuracys, like that there is already a judgement, The courts dont move that fast sorry to say. plus there are other inaccuracys like file numbers and dates, (no such file #)This was posted on other site's a few days ago, Plus if there was a judgemet for a sum of money that large concerning D#@&, It would of been in the News.:o
I had asked about Cool$%# in another fourm and was ,more or less told by a respected Mod, that they had taken this time to upgrade servers during cracking of N3, that is why there site is offline. But I think theres more to that story, they dont shut down a popular site like that for this long.:confused: I guess will have to wait and see how the dust settles..;)
Puke.

Number 1, there is a judgement. It was arrived at by mutual agreement by both parties involved. 2nd, this case has been going on for more than a year now and the courts move as fast as the lawyers will let them. 3. It was in the news. read the article that came out. There is a link in the first post of this thread. 4. Sorry, but the Mod that told you everythings ok is just flat out wrong. He might of not been aware of the latest news. Things happen very fast at times.


if this is true they would get the money as was put in court ,there is no dam way that they would have to turn over inventory to d***n,they have no right to that stuff so i say its, the party is on thanks for ????? b*****s

They agreed to give up the inventory. Chuck can do what he wants with it. He can even sell it but I doubt it. If he did he would be shooting himself in the foot legally. I mean if the recievers are a threat, then why is he selling them? I would be more concerned about the IKS inventory if freetech had any. Because now Chuck will have all paperwork and records of how it works. Only time is needed now to see how this shakes out.

I agree with Stone... I think Freetech decided they have made their fortune and time to pack up shop and quit while we are ahead..... they likely had th emajority of their assets hidden well in advance of this decision anyways.....

not looking good

I agree with Stone... I think Freetech decided they have made their fortune and time to pack up shop and quit while we are ahead..... they likely had th emajority of their assets hidden well in advance of this decision anyways.....

i consider the same thing

I agree with Stone... I think Freetech decided they have made their fortune and time to pack up shop and quit while we are ahead..... they likely had th emajority of their assets hidden well in advance of this decision anyways.....:thmbup:i think they went south way before this b****s for one thing d***h can't come in and take there inventory ,only thing they can do is take what the court ordered fines MONEY Only,thats why i say its b**s they moved south closed up thanks :v:

I think they should open source their boxes so that regular testers can test on the hundreds of thousands of door stoppers. It would be a new arena for testers after going at it with plastic and atmega.
Just my 2 cents! :v:

:thmbup:i think they went south way before this b****s for one thing d***h can't come in and take there inventory ,only thing they can do is take what the court ordered fines MONEY Only,thats why i say its b**s they moved south closed up thanks :v:

Unfortunatly Chuck can take the inventory. It was agreed to in the settlement and the judge followed along and ordered it so. Here is the actual statement from the article that was released yesterday.....

.....As a result, Freetech agreed to forfeit all of its liquid assets and inventory to DISH Network and shut down operations immediately.

If you didn't see the article that was in the first post, you might want to read it.

I think they should open source their boxes so that regular testers can test on the hundreds of thousands of door stoppers. It would be a new arena for testers after going at it with plastic and atmega.
Just my 2 cents! :v:

That would be good as they did have IKS running just like Captain STB's I like this idea but it would half to be leaked.

The official Coolsat USA website is down too now.

The official Coolsat USA website is down too now.
That's old news !
There are a lot of words being spoken right now that aren't in the Dictionary. :( It's a sad time for all Coolsat owners. Let's hope we don't have a landslide trickle down affect. :o

That would be good as they did have IKS running just like Captain STB's I like this idea but it would half to be leaked.

Exactly.. has to leaked but i guess the box or code is of no use to freetech.. so they might as well leak it out!!

I would hope that there is a better news article for this claim.

If not, I will not believe a word of the mediabiz link. This looks like a website that was created on geocities. LOL. Not really a credible source if you ask me.

I would hope that there is a better news article for this claim.

If not, I will not believe a word of the mediabiz link. This looks like a website that was created on geocities. LOL. Not really a credible source if you ask me.

I agree with you there mef... butthat being said, the freetech website has suddenly shut down also.....

1998-2009.....,,R.I.P......coolsat(freetech).

Ps.you where great in your time(best support)
it was bitter sweet to the end.

It's time to rest (fta heaven):(

I would hope that there is a better news article for this claim.

If not, I will not believe a word of the mediabiz link. This looks like a website that was created on geocities. LOL. Not really a credible source if you ask me.

Alright, Fair enough..... This credible enough for ya? http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/328950-District_Court_Rules_in_Favor_of_Dish_Network_in_F reetech_Signal_Piracy_Complaint.php

I can go on......

things continue to get worse

I agree with you there mef... butthat being said, the freetech website has suddenly shut down also.....:thmbup:yes there is nothing going on can't run on nothing thanks:v:

:)

And Pooffff!!! Coolsat is gone...
I really liked my Coolsat. Bummer;(



Stone1150 Sorry, I stand corrected ,,,,
Thank you. Puke.

is Cw600 part of freetech

:)

And Pooffff!!! Coolsat is gone...
I really liked my Coolsat. Bummer;(



Stone1150 Sorry, I stand corrected ,,,,
Thank you. Puke.

No need to apoligise or thank me my friend. I just call them as I see them. ;) Have a great day!