I will post this here and if needs to be moved ok.

Was at southern calif. sat. supplier/dealer this am 9-16-2009 he has about 2500 to 3000 units of SV in stock but not one VS and he is VS/SV dealer. I asked why such a large stock of SV just in stock for I-hub use. Asked about any new receivers coming out or about new file on VS "NO nothing coming out at all". I was sorry to hear this, but if file was coming in the next week or two you would think a dealer of that size would have VS in stock. I am just passing along what I saw and talked about, comments, bashing or questions welcome.

i don't think dealers are informed of any files coming...

they are in the same boat as the users

too risky to convey such a piece of info from the manufacturer to dealer...

I think NOKIA has a good point. I guess we will have to wait and see what is to come.

I will post this here and if needs to be moved ok.

Was at southern calif. sat. supplier/dealer this am 9-16-2009 he has about 2500 to 3000 units of SV in stock but not one VS and he is VS/SV dealer. I asked why such a large stock of SV just in stock for I-hub use. Asked about any new receivers coming out or about new file on VS "NO nothing coming out at all". I was sorry to hear this, but if file was coming in the next week or two you would think a dealer of that size would have VS in stock. I am just passing along what I saw and talked about, comments, bashing or questions welcome.

Yah, I agree with the last guy. They are no more informed then endusers, and why would a dealer even admit knowing that 3rd party software loads exists for the stbs they are selling? It would almost be an admission of guilt.

i don't think dealers are informed of any files coming...

they are in the same boat as the users

too risky to convey such a piece of info from the manufacturer to dealer...

are you implying that distributor (manufacturer is the one that assembles the stb)

is involved with files, i have always thought it was a 3rd party that had nothing to do with stb distributor

Yes files are a "3rd party" but 18 months ago when I would buy a box and ask about a new file if we were down at that time and he would tell me wait till tomarrow night or 3 days from now and sure enough it would be out at that time. I think some dealers get more information than others, if you have 2500 or so SV in stock you must be a large supplier to the industry. OK time will tell and hope it works out for all of use end users, after all what is the date tomorrow? Oh yes 17th my birthday so it will be a good one!!

Heck we have one retail sales store locally that loads the file and setup the satellites before you leave the store (at no extra charge I might add). They are in a strip mall with about six satellite dishes very visable from the street. You tell them what satellites you will be using and he pulls out the old coax out from under the counter flicks an old multi coax switch to the bird you are trying to watch and scans the satellites. Its awesome, but I don't shop there anymore..... guilty by association and would hate to be in the store when the raid takes place.....

The dealer I deal with here in london and Toronto will not sell anything to a person that asks such a question. I took a friend to Toronto from London and told him not to ask and he did anyways and he had 2 lnb`s on thew counter and the dealer took them and out them back on shelf. He then told him to leave the store. I don`t blame the dealer...as one said too risky.

WOW big differance in Canada than USA, any swap meet you go to you would have one or two sat. vendors flashing receivers. Dish set up to DN and you leave your receiver for 30 mins. and come back all done for you $10. This was all during N2 and people doing it never thought of getting busted. Times are changing so we will wait and see what is going to happen.

it;s st.... to ask a question like that, even the person asking could be a cop or a fed or whatever disguised to take down the future N3 hack (if it ever comes out).

yeah some dealers may have some inside info but unless you have known them forever you arent getting any info

think about it when everything was gravy when someone walked in your house did u neccesarily tell them that o this is what it does blah blah blah no not to a complete stranger where as if you knew and trusted them they may get the info... same situation

I will post this here and if needs to be moved ok.

Was at southern calif. sat. supplier/dealer this am 9-16-2009 he has about 2500 to 3000 units of SV in stock but not one VS and he is VS/SV dealer. I asked why such a large stock of SV just in stock for I-hub use. Asked about any new receivers coming out or about new file on VS "NO nothing coming out at all". I was sorry to hear this, but if file was coming in the next week or two you would think a dealer of that size would have VS in stock. I am just passing along what I saw and talked about, comments, bashing or questions welcome.

lol..My take on your point is> if you were a car dealer, would you stock a bunch of cars if there were no keys for it. Wouldn't you at least wait for the keys to arrive? jmo

the guy who bought the stock must be out of his mind he might just starting baking cookies and selling for dollar because thats whats going to happen to his stock wow I am stupid I am selling viewsat for 250$ haha that would suck right out of the pocket dude.

I will post this here and if needs to be moved ok.

Was at southern calif. sat. supplier/dealer this am 9-16-2009 he has about 2500 to 3000 units of SV in stock but not one VS and he is VS/SV dealer. I asked why such a large stock of SV just in stock for I-hub use. Asked about any new receivers coming out or about new file on VS "NO nothing coming out at all". I was sorry to hear this, but if file was coming in the next week or two you would think a dealer of that size would have VS in stock. I am just passing along what I saw and talked about, comments, bashing or questions welcome.

Thanks for the post alltel

So far the only encouraging information we have came from Cyphris. Considering he is a respected member in the FTA community I would believe a fix is on the way.

Who knows, the Dealer may have purchased to many SV units because of the hype around IKS. IMO

Cheers

That dealer could have bought all the stock at a really nice discount and is taking a gamble on them.

I will post this here and if needs to be moved ok.

Was at southern calif. sat. supplier/dealer this am 9-16-2009 he has about 2500 to 3000 units of SV in stock but not one VS and he is VS/SV dealer. I asked why such a large stock of SV just in stock for I-hub use. Asked about any new receivers coming out or about new file on VS "NO nothing coming out at all". I was sorry to hear this, but if file was coming in the next week or two you would think a dealer of that size would have VS in stock. I am just passing along what I saw and talked about, comments, bashing or questions welcome.mysatbox.com ftarepublic.com yourftabox.com all three calif. and volsatdist.com nashville tn. and superfta.com chicago got all the v. sats you need:v:

Thanks but I have a supply of a few VS just checking today to see if I could find any information on the N3, supply of receivers

Hi Alltel: I have my personal stash, 2 slightly dusty-ultralites. This is very exciting to think I may have wipe that dust off! Best wishes!

i do think that a authorized dealer would know......i mean they r the reason that these boxes were.and r bring used.....

but im not so optimistic about a bin coming out this year....but who knows, that vs date is tomorrow

alltel
I will post this here and if needs to be moved ok.

Was at southern calif. sat. supplier/dealer this am 9-16-2009 he has about 2500 to 3000 units of SV in stock but not one VS and he is VS/SV dealer. I asked why such a large stock of SV just in stock for I-hub use.



Thanks for the info and taking the time to pass it along. I was curious as to his answer on the question about the number of SV.

looks like black out to me

Thanks for the post alltel

So far the only encouraging information we have came from Cyphris. Considering he is a respected member in the FTA community I would believe a fix is on the way.

Who knows, the Dealer may have purchased to many SV units because of the hype around IKS. IMO

Cheers

the guy who bought the stock must be out of his mind he might just starting baking cookies and selling for dollar because thats whats going to happen to his stock wow I am stupid I am selling viewsat for 250$ haha that would suck right out of the pocket dude.

if he is dealer he has to buy 5000 units

so having 2500 or 3000 aint that much the real fta dealers dont buy in hundreds

unless he work for vs or he's a coder ....he must be in the same boat as us all...............................:sly:

if he is dealer he has to buy 5000 units

so having 2500 or 3000 aint that much the real fta dealers dont buy in hundreds

He may have multiple locations.

He may have sold a lot already.

He may be underneath a larger seller.

2500 or 3000 units is a large quantity of one receiver.

Minimum order policy is for direct line dealers. This guy could be 2nd or 3rd in line....

And what does that matter anyhow?

Yes Chuck he could have shipped some out he still had space in his building for more so maybe he did have 5000 or more last week. Really does not matter, but maybe he is just going with company line and doing as told by main office saying nothing.

Loose lips sink ships and his boat is still afloat....smart man!

VS new file & _________ hear we go

I'm with you Alltell, I dont think there is any fix coming out anytime soon or at all! I hope im wrong and I welcome everyone to laugh in my face. I'm basing my opinion off the known facts.

I'm with you Alltell, I dont think there is any fix coming out anytime soon or at all! I hope im wrong and I welcome everyone to laugh in my face. I'm basing my opinion off the known facts.

The fact that N1 was hacked (plastic)?
The fact that N2 was hacked?
The fact that MAP57 was hacked?
Or the fact that the only thing that has changed is the cards and NOT the receivers?

Based on those facts I would say a fix is a sure thing. Just a matter of "when" and not "if"...

Not laughing at you as everyone is entitled to his/her opinion.

Expect nothing and you won't be disappointed.

The fact that N1 was hacked (plastic)?
The fact that N2 was hacked?
The fact that MAP57 was hacked?
Or the fact that the only thing that has changed is the cards and NOT the receivers?

Based on those facts I would say a fix is a sure thing. Just a matter of "when" and not "if"...

Not laughing at you as everyone is entitled to his/her opinion.

Expect nothing and you won't be disappointed.

Sorry Chuck, but N2 wasn't hacked. It was leaked by DN insider

The fact that N1 was hacked (plastic)?
The fact that N2 was hacked?
The fact that MAP57 was hacked?
Or the fact that the only thing that has changed is the cards and NOT the receivers?

Based on those facts I would say a fix is a sure thing. Just a matter of "when" and not "if"...

Not laughing at you as everyone is entitled to his/her opinion.

Expect nothing and you won't be disappointed.

Your obviously not taking into account Dave's F,H and HU cards were hacked as well. Since they went to P4 over five years ago there system has not been compromised. So basically the past means shit now, currently there is no hack and there may never be one.

We all can't be naive to think that the Dealer does not know about the rumors of who is coming out with what. He probably has a setup at his house and frequents plenty of boards like us. This one is the best, by the way! Anyhoo, it seems to me that he is stocking what is working now vice something that might work down the road. Kinda like a bird in the hand etc. etc......

What we are presently experiencing is simply evolution of the hobby. Still, the past does mean a lot. The past will always be there to analyze and learn from. The present comes from the past, and that is how evolution works. It doesn't always mean there will be a future thou.;)

Ebayfan thanks so much for the positive input, when the fix comes out you will be the first in line I am sure.

lets wait and see less than 24 hours

And then a even bigger difference between USA, Canada and Mexico, I know one dealer that even posted a map so you can easily find his "home", not even his business but his home!

And all this posted on his website!

That is a Mexico thing I guess.

WOW big differance in Canada than USA, any swap meet you go to you would have one or two sat. vendors flashing receivers. Dish set up to DN and you leave your receiver for 30 mins. and come back all done for you $10. This was all during N2 and people doing it never thought of getting busted. Times are changing so we will wait and see what is going to happen.

4 1/2 hours est. time untill sept 17 ?

Jim that date is bogus. not true.

Ebayfan thanks so much for the positive input, when the fix comes out you will be the first in line I am sure.



Not with all you mofo's overloading the site, and by the way not trying to be positive or negative just stating the facts good or bad.

I thought I read a rumor of a rumor on this site that Sept. 17th was not and never was considered a launching date. Didn't one of the biggies say that?

Regular clock> tick..tock..tick..tock
VS clock> tick..........tock...............tick?..........to ck?........what time did they say we were to release the fix........tick................................... .....................tock......................... ...............tick
I hope someone's not running out of time on this one cause a lot of folks have had their hopes lit up. If any one wants to bet, i think that the VS clock will malfunction tonight! I would rather wake up tomorrow read a good news post and yell YES **** head Charley just got screwed all day long.


Remember the rep points....you dont need paypal

They are not suppose to know there are only to be use for ftas.

Waiting for Kenmore and Keith-whatever (with bull) to poo poo this and get credit for their post. I swear that's all those 2 do is lurk here to p on someone's opinion, albeit rumor.

I thought I read a rumor of a rumor on this site that Sept. 17th was not and never was considered a launching date. Didn't one of the biggies say that?
It seems that some people, when they red a thread, only see what they want to, they read about a date, fixate on that, and no matter whether or not it's debunked they rant about it and when it doesn't happen, they'll scream that they were lied to!! Simply amazing, isn't it!!!!:sleep::sleep:

Come on VS team... We are so hungry for a fix or anything positive.. We are pulling for ya. I would love to relax and enjoy some real TV viewing. Cable is like being on a diet and eating Lettuce and carrots, when you know a hot fudge cake would be so much better.

lets wait and see less than 24 hours

History has shown that the fixes are first on plastic then on FTA, The cards have to be broken to get the to the code that gets hacked. Then the modified code gets put into a bin for FTA recievers. Unless you start seeing some interesting posts in the plastic section I wouldn't believe any rumors of an FTA fix.

hey squeeky3..here I am....Keith is gone camping...so you won't have the pleasure of his company...I know you will be disappointed....

But I think this video sums up my thoughts on those that honestly believe the horsecrap about VS releasing anything on the 17th...

I hope it meets your approval.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQNqk54HPdE

Another good one Kenmo......that link is getting a lot of use....lmao

hey squeeky3..here I am....Keith is gone camping...so you won't have the pleasure of his company...I know you will be disappointed....

But I think this video sums up my thoughts on those that honestly believe the horsecrap about VS releasing anything on the 17th...

I hope it meets your approval.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQNqk54HPdE

same here....how is it even possible that they will release it tomorrow???

especially considering the fact that dik network might sue when the 1st company releases it...now this doesn't negate the fact that they wont release it, and they could tomorrow, remember this is just my opinion!!!!:eyes_closed:

hey squeeky3..here I am....Keith is gone camping...so you won't have the pleasure of his company...I know you will be disappointed....

But I think this video sums up my thoughts on those that honestly believe the horsecrap about VS releasing anything on the 17th...

I hope it meets your approval.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQNqk54HPdE

hahahaha! I just couldn't resist posting. Now that's funny!

apex....in case you missed it....VS is already being sued...what have they got to lose????? May as well make a fix and release it so the other brands can fix it for their's and really put the screws to old Uncle Charlie.....

apex....in case you missed it....VS is already being sued...what have they got to lose????? May as well make a fix and release it so the other brands can fix it for their's and really put the screws to old Uncle Charlie.....

i like the way you are thinking on this one

Heck we have one retail sales store locally that loads the file and setup the satellites before you leave the store (at no extra charge I might add). They are in a strip mall with about six satellite dishes very visable from the street. You tell them what satellites you will be using and he pulls out the old coax out from under the counter flicks an old multi coax switch to the bird you are trying to watch and scans the satellites. Its awesome, but I don't shop there anymore..... guilty by association and would hate to be in the store when the raid takes place.....

Wow, talk about a heat score. That is asking for some blue business.

Well, we'll see tomorrow guys !

do you really think a fix will be released tomorrow? don't you think they'll release an ecm if a fix is released and we'll be back in the same boat again. surely i'm not the only one who has thought of this.

Thats the problem with a stand alone fix IF one ever comes out.It will get hammered with ecm's and go down constantly.The best thing to own would be a box that can run both iks and a stand alone bin.

Your obviously not taking into account Dave's F,H and HU cards were hacked as well. Since they went to P4 over five years ago there system has not been compromised. So basically the past means shit now, currently there is no hack and there may never be one.

What do the Dave days have to do with Charlie's encryption? Nothing.

I wasn't there and it was such a stupid idea I steered clear of all that. Proprietary hardware needed to hack their cards. Only people on Earth entitled to have such equipment were Dave employees. If you weren't an employee of Dave and bought the equipment (card reader/writer?) your name was on the hit list.

People jumped off the Dave wagon because he effectively secured his signal. I am sure it can be hacked and their are plenty of rumors out there of extremely private Dave hackers. The risk is extremely high and nobody needed to pursue Dave because of what happened to Charlie. Card bangers cracked Charlie and then FTA came along and made it even easier!

Nag3 is just another encryption scheme that NagraVision has "sold" to Charlie. Charlie's receivers are the key here. The old 301's and 311's are ancient models and yet they can handle the new G3 cards out there. Not much horsepower under the hoods there. The latest FTA receivers have plenty of processing power to emulate whatever it is on that little gold square.

The day will come when N3 is compromised. Probably not tomorrow as many are hoping based on a false rumor gone wild, but eventually.

Whether it is a team of coders finally cracking it, or if an employee of Charlie finally takes the money and coughs it up, it will be done. With the economy the way it is, corruption within Charlie's ranks is not out of the question.

If Charlie had swapped out all his receivers and ran with a new encryption method then I would surrender. But he didn't. And I'm not.

The poster is as credible as my shoelace. No distributor has 2500-3000 units of any box on hand. He NEVER saw that.

BS POST....PERIOD

The poster is as credible as my shoelace. No distributor has 2500-3000 units of any box on hand. He NEVER saw that.

BS POST....PERIOD

With all due respect, I have seen a distributor in Garden Grove Calif. that that pallets of sonicviews stacked floor to 16ft ceilings in a 2000 fqFt buliding. Used a fork lift to access them.

With all due respect, I have seen a distributor in Garden Grove Calif. that that pallets of sonicviews stacked floor to 16ft ceilings in a 2000 fqFt buliding. Used a fork lift to access them.

Thanks that is the dealer I was at today he now is using new name and website glad you know who I am talking of.

The poster is as credible as my shoelace. No distributor has 2500-3000 units of any box on hand. He NEVER saw that.

BS POST....PERIOD
come on by my home tomorrow and we can go to the dealer and you can see for yourself. But I am sure you are not in the area, must be north of the border?

be carefuly in dssnagra the administr is taking off the usuari for speak about the nagra 3 open is name is ramta ....

Originally Posted by mefnikk
The poster is as credible as my shoelace. No distributor has 2500-3000 units of any box on hand. He NEVER saw that.

BS POST....PERIOD


the nerve of some people calling a rumor, BS. lol :|>:|>:|>

Sounds like a couple of us are neighbors.
I might have been to that dealer in garbage grove.
Been to a couple of them over there. Fullerton here.
Howdy neighbors

Hi neighbour, stop in the one on Trask off the 22 fwy. and see what I am saying on the sv supply, but not one VS?? Now we know why no fix coming now maybe later.

Well I'm not one to chase after every "rumor" that drifts by. They are fun to read and interesting to see all the responses. As I comb thru some of the Rumors post lately I find that allot of folks seem almost determined to rule out that a stand alone solution could exist and that it the end of fta as we knew it. Or others that seem to get riled and angry that someone had the audacity to post a "Rumor" in the "Rumor" section. I don't know either way, I'm rock solid on my decision to wait it out for a stand alone solution to surface, or wait for the next best game in town to surface. I have been tinkering around the satellite stuff since 1983 and have seen allot of stuff come an go. The toys change over the years but the game seems to stay the same. Whatever direction this all goes over the next days, weeks or months, I'm going to pick the safest route out there and right now I don't see one to get on board with. Also on another note but very much related to this thread there are lots of dealers out there with Viewsat's in stock and they aren't giving them away. You might find some discounted some because sales are slow as hell right now, but not discounted very much. Hang in there, bound to be some good stuff come our way eventually.

great post

heres the latest funny farm news...

We are working day and night with a three teams of four of our top Coders to get the N3 fix out as soon as possible,This project is a extrealy difficult Mountain to Conquer.Please remember that we have been working on N3 for some months now and we are under a lot of pressure being one of the top leaders in FTA.Yes Sept. 17 was a day we were shooting for it was leaked information.Unfortunately in this hobby that we Optimass, Frenzzy and Sunstreaker our team leaders take pride in sometimes we have draw back which puts us behind on our Progress.Early this morning the Beta file was up and running for about 20hrs. (so yes we are very close).Sunstreaker and the other coders(Omega,Devcon &Chromia)left the warehouse to get rest time ofter the 10 hours of testing at around 8am.Then Ultra Magnus headed to the warehouse around 8:30am and discovered that the warehouse was broken into Many of our equipment and work was taken.I do not Believe it was inside job nor do i Believe that the thefts know what they took nor know what to do with our work!!!This unfortunate happening well put us behind how long that can not be answered!!!The good news is that we(Sunstreaker )copies all information to his laptop.We well now have to take time off to relocate to a less obvious location.Please give us a few days to setup and start back were we left of at on N3.

oh my next bebop and rock steady are going to pop out of the sewers to deliver a new bin

Today is the "BIG" day, the 17th, RUMORED to be the day VS puts out its N3 crack.
Should the "crack" not materialize, PLEASE do not post NEGATIVE, on VS, etc. Those whom choose to ignore this warning, will be subject to discipline.

haha......GP.....you been reading my mind again? I hope you got your finger on the button....

haha......GP.....you been reading my mind again? I hope you got your finger on the button....

GET READY! Cuz it's comming!

Have you two been up all night or just getting in?

Today will be a roller coaster here.

My plan is to stay off and watch the antics. Should be very entertaining to say the least!

Cheers!

lol hahahah you're just waiting to touch that nice button hahaha, there's gonna be a lot of people disappointed today. hope is not the case.....

lol hahahah you're just waiting to touch that nice button hahaha, there's gonna be a lot of people disappointed today. hope is not the case.....

true so very true

There is no certainty of what will or wont happen today, tomorrow or next week.It might be appointment or disappointment for many.I'm just just relaxing and making the best use of what have...cause of that I'm sure.....:lol:

what a coincidence that vs warehouse was broken into at 8 30 am and evrything was taking of all days the 17th lol

hehe...just another part of the fairy tale.....

hehe...just another part of the fairy tale.....

LOL

Are we there yet?:\

anthem for where the supposed VS fix is gonna come from>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFiiXkFuOvM

You just ain't right Ken. You got to believe. "I have a dream".

OK..heres what I will be singing IF a fix is put out anytime soon by the VS team>>. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUyu5prWjTE

Hahahahahahahahaha

That's a good one Ken, LOL!!!!

Ok finally Sep 17 2009 is here in a matter of hours We will find out if there is a fix or not
or if it was just another rumor!

OK..heres what I will be singing IF a fix is put out anytime soon by the VS team>>. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUyu5prWjTE

Hahaha hehehe wow,ken you are something else.I got to agree seeing is believing and then there can be no doubt.

feels like the night before xmas, when ur waiting to open your gifts. Hurry up Santa!

Sounds like a bunch of thieves kicked the schitt out of Santa. He will be running late if at all this year.

LOL... I'm a Believer myself when i see it with my own eyes..Hope That fix comes before Saturday fight!

Sounds like a bunch of thieves kicked the schitt out of Santa. He will be running late if at all this year.
Sorry Mike..had to do it>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R8ArO4c2Yk

Heck we have one retail sales store locally that loads the file and setup the satellites before you leave the store (at no extra charge I might add). They are in a strip mall with about six satellite dishes very visable from the street. You tell them what satellites you will be using and he pulls out the old coax out from under the counter flicks an old multi coax switch to the bird you are trying to watch and scans the satellites. Its awesome, but I don't shop there anymore..... guilty by association and would hate to be in the store when the raid takes place.....

thats one dealer that wont be in business long, once he is caught say good bye, thats got to be the dumiest store ever to load files onto a stb. i dont think with all that has happened lately, that this guy is that much of a dumbazz.. but then again i've seen some dumb people just to make a buc..

LOL :lol::lol:

sad 2 know nobody got Santa's back

Way to funny ken. Thanks for the laugh first thing this morning. Have a great day guys. :lol: :thmbup:

Sorry Mike..had to do it>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R8ArO4c2YkNow thats funny.

its amazing how all the threads on a n3 fta hack seem to lay at vs's door , it almost appears that in every rumor thread out there on a n3 hack vs is at the center , cant remember a post on captiveworks ,pansat or sv coders to have all the pressure on coming out with a n3 fix thats stand alone , if any of the last few days and weeks have come from vs in any way and come up short then its all been brought upon themselves, big IF , ive said it before doesnt make sense that vs would wager there credibilty like this if nothing comes of today dont be dissapointed , the possibility is there that vs coders moved on long time ago , this all reminds me of the campfire story that never makes it around the fire in the same story as it started , also if nothing comes about in this , this mess gives you a healthy perspective on rumours , theres no doubt one day a stand alone will come about a file will be released flashed on boxes tv will be up just like n1 to n2 map57 and so on rumours and telegraphed possible releases only encourage dissapointment , actual working files are just that working files wait for a rumor or wait for a file ? were all guilty of the dangled carrott and following it at some level , maybe a healthy cheer for the other coders that to are working on stand alone are in order , i somehow dont think cw pansat cnx and sv gave up on stand alone , again ill say doesnt make sense that the vs would wager credibilty like this

look it`s simple if you know Vs was the first when n1-n2, then now they don`t have change to iks, that`s why most of the people don`t have buy an iks unit yet, then as an strategy iks maker, put a date on sept 17, when this date past and nothing happen, people will lose credibility to Vs coders, and from now on iks units will star to increase demand for those people,
just my 2 cents

look it`s simple if you know Vs was the first when n1-n2, then now they don`t have change to iks, that`s why most of the people don`t have buy an iks unit yet, then as an strategy iks maker, put a date on sept 17, when this date past and nothing happen, people will lose credibility to Vs coders, and from now on iks units will star to increase demand for those people,
just my 2 cents

:\:)

Just in :drunk::drunk::drunk:

PFTAHDSW-090917H_patience.pgm

Only to be used after your sick of watching the NASA channel.:tv_horror:

Is this a FTA file ? and for what reciever..or is this BS?

Nevermind stupid me not reading carefully enough....I'll use the file anyway it should work!!!

Just in :drunk::drunk::drunk:

PFTAHDSW-090917H_patience.pgm

Only to be used after your sick of watching the NASA channel.:tv_horror:

Sorry to break it to you but the NASA channel was blacked out yesterday, same with ION. Instead on a day that was suppose to bring relief we are left completely in the dark

Please!!!! I am a dealer on a much smaller magnatude and believe me my wholesaler gets facts not BS like you get on these sites.After 22 years in the elctronics business I know that alot of so called hobbyist don't know.
#1 The mfgs of Fta units in Korea and other countries do not only manufacture FTA units they certainly would not last long doing that!They are also contacted to make other products TV,Stereos etc just about anything electronics.They also manufacture for Chain store electronics so on so fourth.
#2 My wholesaler sells me all kinds of other equipment and electronics and believe me ther is NO WAY a electronics manufacturer is going to sell me or this larger dealer products that won,t work or they will never sell us again.
#3 Earlier i can,t remember what date i posted something that after being in my bussiness for over 2 decades you learn to read between the lines and with all dew respect according to my unimportant sources VS may be going the way of Coolsat.
#4 The people most informed are the ones distributing and the ones coding/Hacking the rest of the rederic is just that.

VS gave it an honest try and all the people implicated in the N2 run sold Kawk and Viewtech down the drain set him up to save thier own ass literally lol. So keep reading the PR bs and wait or do like Europe has had to do IKS IKS IKS

OK now I get it, ALL channels are black now so the hackers can release the fix, they always said waiting for all channels to be black. What about channel 100 will we need to wait on that also.

N3 will never be hacked

N3 will never be hacked

and you know this how? i remember charlie giving a statement that stated he already knows that there N3 will be hacked again.

I buy All my stuff from him too that guy rocks.....

bye, bye fta and welcome digital tv with converter. there is no more hacker today. shit kids doesn't learn anything today at school. where was the time of hacker in the 90's but now old school hacker are in jail or tired of it, kids does not learn shit and DN with is millions of dollars is stronger than you. welcome to the usa of america where everything is possible with money. bye bye hippie and hustler hacker
your are loosing our faith but don't worry we had a good ride with you.

Hey Guys

FTA is not OVER

Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough...

the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go! :rifle:

Guys...it must be over for real..because the Germans never bombed Pearl Harbor....it was the Japanese.....someone needs to read their history books.....

I am pleasantly surprised at the non-event today has turned out to be.

The mods have kept this thread open as a kind of "sounding board" and it has worked out well so far.

There are no other open threads in the rumor section (as of right now)

Just another day here at ftabins. Same back and forth over whether N3 is/was/will be hacked.

@ otter: I'm right behind ya! Now where do we go? LOL

Guys...it must be over for real..because the Germans never bombed Pearl Harbor....it was the Japanese.....someone needs to read their history books.....

Sorry Ken. But, you fail at getting the humor in the previous post. That is a quote from Animal House the movie. hxxp://www.whysanity.net/monos/ahouse.html

:)

Hey Guys

FTA is not OVER

Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough...

the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!
Ah it was the jananese that bombed pearl harbor:worship::worship::worship:

LOL...Otter!! !The Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbour the Japanese did:roll::|>

There no more threads on it in the rumors section....true.....because I have deleted about 20 so far today....folks really need to stop posting the garbage in the rumors sections.

Sorry to break it to you but the NASA channel was blacked out yesterday, same with ION. Instead on a day that was suppose to bring relief we are left completely in the dark

You're only in the dark because you choose to be. Who cares if VS comes out with a file or not. Most have upgraded long ago. Even if you buy a cheap iks box it's still a lot le$$ than a sub. That's the price one pays to buy their way into this hobby.:roll:

hey guys i just spoke to my local vs dealer here in the 323 area code and he told me he just got a huge shipment of vs boxes on monday, he said and i quote " it aint over yet" so you guys in the OC he's just up the 5 fwy 1/2 hour north of OC in Montebello. so now i can only sit and wait like the rest of us.

Kenmoresp you stole my joke Great minds think alike or is dummies seldom differ lol:|>

Good maybe the trade in sale I had will pan out better than I hoped.I Allowed trade in on electronic 50.$ credit toward any FTA box sold alot of tVs and now it may pay off.Not holding my breath though.:D

fta is not over but DN crack is.
buying new box after new box to get DN. it's like paying cable.

You're only in the dark because you choose to be. Who cares if VS comes out with a file or not. Most have upgraded long ago. Even if you buy a cheap iks box it's still a lot le$$ than a sub. That's the price one pays to buy their way into this hobby.:roll:

Can you walk me through the process of buying and setting up one? I'm still in the dark with VS.

Guys...it must be over for real..because the Germans never bombed Pearl Harbor....it was the Japanese.....someone needs to read their history books.....

Great time to rent old movies to catch up on other Historical films.

smbober knows history:clap:

If there is ever a fix for the N3 we should
" Prepare our boxes for ludicrous speed! Fasten all seatbelts, seal all entrances and exits, close all shops in the mall, cancel the three ring circus, secure all animals in the zoo! "

:tv_happy:

hey guys i just spoke to my local vs dealer here in the 323 area code and he told me he just got a huge shipment of vs boxes on monday, he said and i quote " it aint over yet" so you guys in the OC he's just up the 5 fwy 1/2 hour north of OC in Montebello. so now i can only sit and wait like the rest of us.

and i suppose all information that your local dealer receives is 100% iron clad then huh?

just because he's a local dealer doesn't mean he knows the first thing about Nagravision 3 and the encryption involved in the current 24x cams does it?

i can sell FTA's too and tell any shmuck that walks in the door the same b.s. if it means I am going to sell more units

thanks for the heads up from your "local dealer" but I don't think that guy amounts to a hill of beans

3m

Guys...it must be over for real..because the Germans never bombed Pearl Harbor....it was the Japanese.....someone needs to read their history books.....

Someone needs to watch Animal House.

we can say he sold all the vs receivers
thats wy he dont have them in stock

Great time to rent old movies to catch up on other Historical films.

smbober knows history:clap:

If there is ever a fix for the N3 we should
" Prepare our boxes for ludicrous speed! Fasten all seatbelts, seal all entrances and exits, close all shops in the mall, cancel the three ring circus, secure all animals in the zoo! "

:tv_happy:

haha, may the farce be with you my friend

Please!!!! I am a dealer on a much smaller magnatude and believe me my wholesaler gets facts not BS like you get on these sites.After 22 years in the elctronics business I know that alot of so called hobbyist don't know.
#1 The mfgs of Fta units in Korea and other countries do not only manufacture FTA units they certainly would not last long doing that!They are also contacted to make other products TV,Stereos etc just about anything electronics.They also manufacture for Chain store electronics so on so fourth.
#2 My wholesaler sells me all kinds of other equipment and electronics and believe me ther is NO WAY a electronics manufacturer is going to sell me or this larger dealer products that won,t work or they will never sell us again.
#3 Earlier i can,t remember what date i posted something that after being in my bussiness for over 2 decades you learn to read between the lines and with all dew respect according to my unimportant sources VS may be going the way of Coolsat.
#4 The people most informed are the ones distributing and the ones coding/Hacking the rest of the rederic is just that.

VS gave it an honest try and all the people implicated in the N2 run sold Kawk and Viewtech down the drain set him up to save thier own ass literally lol. So keep reading the PR bs and wait or do like Europe has had to do IKS IKS IKS

thats ur opinion and ur wholesaler's opinion...

and that doesn't apply to all wholesalers or manufacturers...

as I have said it again & again...!!!

in this piracy game there are no set rules ... and everyday holds something new...

and if VS is gone ...we sure will hear about it confirmed sooner or later...

but no need to dwell on speculations aka rumors ...

to play it smart and cost efficient ... u read alot and base ur "educated" decision on which way u want to go...

simple ...eih™? <<< Canadian trademark:|>

thats ur opinion and ur wholesaler's opinion...

and that doesn't apply to all wholesalers or manufacturers...

as I have said it again & again...!!!

in this piracy game there are no set rules ... and everyday holds something new...

and if VS is gone ...we sure will hear about it confirmed sooner or later...

but no need to dwell on speculations aka rumors ...

to play it smart and cost efficient ... u read alot and base ur "educated" decision on which way u want to go...

simple ...eih™? <<< Canadian trademark:|>
Eloquently argued.no need to dwell on speculations aka rumors ..indeed.

Eloquently argued.no need to dwell on speculations aka rumors ..indeed.

thank you

gracias

merci

grazie

but ur blue font hurts the eye...hehe:D

try green or brown or even purple

thank you

gracias

merci

grazie

but ur blue font hurts the eye...hehe:D

try green or brown or even purple
SURE IT HELP to let us look closer sometimes:lol:.yuh could ah beg little more we gonna share di blue :lol:.........just kidding although I don't think you resent the :idea: of sharing.

OK,I'LL TRY THE BROWN........MY SECOND FAVORITE COLOR:)

Hey,don't speculate aka rumor........hehehe

BROWN suits ur eyes... :eek:

hope that didn't sound too gay ...hehe:twisted:

Yeh, brown I'll b using n I know I could not use GREEN or gigster would sue me:lol:

Hey Guys

FTA is not OVER

Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough...

the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go! :rifle:

now thats funny sounds like a line from "animal house" and "1941" combined

Nokia I to am from the great white north so we are neibours and we think the same way we read and deal in fact.
So Fact#1 Kwak is now in the dealing with DN lawyers Prosecutors and his own team of lAwyers to find away out of this with minimal cost and time.
Fact # 2 Recent post from Cyphris are not really him as he is named sevral times in the Docs by name and Nics and has been orderted to stay quiet by his lawyer and I am sure he will.
Fact #3 N2 was not cracked in fact Map57 was purchased so other than The card hckers had thier been no purchase of 57 thier would have been no FTA as we know it would have been cards or IKS.
Fact #4 Europe has been dealing with this issue N# for years,remind me again hows that comming along.
Fact #5 Bev has been down a year next month or so remind me hows that coming along.
Fact # 6 Kwak has now begain proceeding to turn over all dealer information to athourities.
Fact #7 Kwak and Viewtech are now in the process of dumping Sonicview to another bunch of investers.
Fact #8 Coolsat went through the same thing and they ditched the KBox to some other group.
Fact #9 The coders are named after the Transformers who were stolen from
and finally I don't want to have to Avoid VW passats for fear optumis Prime has one kick my ass for desputing his everything was stolen theory.
So to say read and this is just an opionon I would have to say don,t just read pay attention to what you are reading it is all but posted.So for now get a sub or IKS cause you will be down for a long time unless some new bright star comes in and save the day.

Long live the King Mr Kwak and may map 57 live in infamy:\

todos me lo pelan con la misma mierda !

Nokia I to am from the great white north so we are neibours and we think the same way we read and deal in fact.
So Fact#1 Kwak is now in the dealing with DN lawyers Prosecutors and his own team of lAwyers to find away out of this with minimal cost and time.
Fact # 2 Recent post from Cyphris are not really him as he is named sevral times in the Docs by name and Nics and has been orderted to stay quiet by his lawyer and I am sure he will.
Fact #3 N2 was not cracked in fact Map57 was purchased so other than The card hckers had thier been no purchase of 57 thier would have been no FTA as we know it would have been cards or IKS.
Fact #4 Europe has been dealing with this issue N# for years,remind me again hows that comming along.
Fact #5 Bev has been down a year next month or so remind me hows that coming along.
Fact # 6 Kwak has now begain proceeding to turn over all dealer information to athourities.
Fact #7 Kwak and Viewtech are now in the process of dumping Sonicview to another bunch of investers.
Fact #8 Coolsat went through the same thing and they ditched the KBox to some other group.
Fact #9 The coders are named after the Transformers who were stolen from
and finally I don't want to have to Avoid VW passats for fear optumis Prime has one kick my ass for desputing his everything was stolen theory.
So to say read and this is just an opionon I would have to say don,t just read pay attention to what you are reading it is all but posted.So for now get a sub or IKS cause you will be down for a long time unless some new bright star comes in and save the day.

Long live the King Mr Kwak and may map 57 live in infamy:\

Looks pretty green outside to me neighbour, eh? Since this IS the rumo(u)r section, I'll agree with your comments if you replace each instance of "Fact #n" with "Rumour #n". I only see one fact in your statements, that being how long Beverly's been gone. Damn I miss her.;(

todos me lo pelan con la misma mierda !

huh? someone wanna translate this?:read:

todos me lo pelan con la misma mierda !


Say it in ENGLISH so you can get banned (if you have Huevos?) :|>

huh? someone wanna translate this?:read:


Use hxxp://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt

Hey Guys

FTA is not OVER

Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough...

the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!
Ah it was the jananese that bombed pearl harbor:worship::worship::worship:

The GERMANS bombed Pearl Harbour??? I didn't know that there were German kamikaze pilots in the JAPANESE Imperial Air Force! ROFALMAO

hXXp://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/pearl.htm
:read:"Those who fail to learn the lessons of History are doomed to repeat it":lol:

todos me lo pelan con la misma mierda !

translated it means "all they peel it to me with the same excrement" .
hell i still dont understand what the hell he is saying, lmao:confused:

translated it means "all they peel it to me with the same excrement" .
hell i still dont understand what the hell he is saying, lmao:confused:

Better translation..:thmbup: Everybody keeps coming up with the same Shhhhhht

Howdy Neihbour you are right it is lovely 17 degree in the east.Going golfing later.Hpwever you should relook all are facts.Kwak agrees to turn over info,Europe N3 for over 3 years,Map 57 was purchased without this no FTA what are you disputing,I am buying SV Every week and the and the new models coming out with built in hub will be released to the NA market by new distributor in 3 weeks.All of these statemenst are common knowledge.

Same old bull, just different sh**

I can't belive nobodys talking about the real story. ION TV is blacked out, blacked out!
That channel kept me happily entertained through the storm and now its gone.
PLease lets mourn this loss together

R.I.P ION TV, wow thats to funny, lmao :o;(

R.I.P ION TV, wow thats to funny, lmao :o;(

too funny?

What's next to go, History HD?

Remember they told us ALL channels had to be black before they would have a new N3 fix. So just a few more channels to go and 3 to 4 months, what about channel 100 will it go out, keeps me watching tv.

Fact # 2 Recent post from Cyphris are not really him as he is named sevral times in the Docs by name and Nics and has been orderted to stay quiet by his lawyer and I am sure he will.
:\

are you in personal contact with him to confirm that fact?... on messenger maybe :rolleyes:

the rest of ur "facts" are still speculations...and some might be right... unless ur Kwak in person:)

so lets leave it at that... if you catch my drift! eih:D

I can't belive nobodys talking about the real story. ION TV is blacked out, blacked out!
That channel kept me happily entertained through the storm and now its gone.
PLease lets mourn this loss together

OH NOOOOO. Not ION TV. Well if you ask me it's time to PANIC. :yes::lol:

Howdy Neihbour you are right it is lovely 17 degree in the east.Going golfing later.Hpwever you should relook all are facts.Kwak agrees to turn over info,Europe N3 for over 3 years,Map 57 was purchased without this no FTA what are you disputing,I am buying SV Every week and the and the new models coming out with built in hub will be released to the NA market by new distributor in 3 weeks.All of these statemenst are common knowledge.

Sorry, don't agree with the list of 10 or so "facts" you list. SV hasn't filed for bankruptcy, or else I missed that news article somewhere. Besides taking one or two facts, altering them and then adding another 8 or so "facts" don't make any of it true.

SV will come through "sooner rather than later" if they keep their word. If they are unable to, then I can see some of your "facts" becoming more than rumour.

Gotta love this section during card switches...almost as much as Canadian beer, eh? Go :v:S! Go.

msellyeh, hope you mean VS not SV?

im staying out of this rumor ,bump

Sorry, don't agree with the list of 10 or so "facts" you list. SV hasn't filed for bankruptcy, or else I missed that news article somewhere. Besides taking one or two facts, altering them and then adding another 8 or so "facts" don't make any of it true.

SV will come through "sooner rather than later" if they keep their word. If they are unable to, then I can see some of your "facts" becoming more than rumour.

Gotta love this section during card switches...almost as much as Canadian beer, eh? Go :v:S! Go.

Viewsat and Sonicview are both manufactured / imported by Viewtech Inc., owned by Jung Kwak. While the fact that these two major FTA players are connected, they obviously are ran as completely seperate companies. If (and I for one can't see this happening) Viewsat were to go bankrupt, Sonicview could easily remain. There was a lot of talk years ago when Sonicview first came to the scene that it was going to replace Viewsat. The rumored reason why Viewsat is still around was due to the large number of Viewsat loyal customers. My guess is that Viewsat will be the first with the stand alone, followed very shortly after by Sonicview. I personaly think they have the fix and the reason for the delay of release is primarily due to thier attempts to make the files heavily protected. They need to ensure that all their hard work (possible purchased info...) isn't simply given away to the competition. They are in it for the money and if they can release the files without the competition being able to hack it even for a couple months, Viewtech stands to make millions.... It's going to be an interesting over the next few months....

msellyeh, hope you mean VS not SV?

Yepp...typing too fast...did get it right on the second try. Go :v:S Go!

what about channel 100 will it go out,......

I doubt that very much.:lol:

only time will tell

Viewsat and Sonicview are both manufactured / imported by Viewtech Inc., owned by Jung Kwak. While the fact that these two major FTA players are connected, they obviously are ran as completely seperate companies. If (and I for one can't see this happening) Viewsat were to go bankrupt, Sonicview could easily remain. There was a lot of talk years ago when Sonicview first came to the scene that it was going to replace Viewsat. The rumored reason why Viewsat is still around was due to the large number of Viewsat loyal customers. My guess is that Viewsat will be the first with the stand alone, followed very shortly after by Sonicview. I personaly think they have the fix and the reason for the delay of release is primarily due to thier attempts to make the files heavily protected. They need to ensure that all their hard work (possible purchased info...) isn't simply given away to the competition. They are in it for the money and if they can release the files without the competition being able to hack it even for a couple months, Viewtech stands to make millions.... It's going to be an interesting over the next few months....

Sonicview is not part of VS anymore. They were sold off the same way that K-box was sold off from it's original source.

msellyeh
SV will come through "sooner rather than later" if they keep their word. If they are unable to, then I can see some of your "facts" becoming more than rumour.

Sonicview is also in court. Sonicview is being investigated by the feds also. Not just involved in cival court. It seems that the IKS part grabbed someones attention.

With all the legal action happening, I doubt any file will be released for any reciever anytime soon. As far as we know, they have a file already and are sitting on it waiting for the heat to subside. Any company releasing at this time with all the legal action would be suicidal. Have a great day!

Sonicview is not part of VS anymore. They were sold off the same way that K-box was sold off from it's original source.



Sonicview is also in court. Sonicview is being investigated by the feds also. Not just involved in cival court. It seems that the IKS part grabbed someones attention.

With all the legal action happening, I doubt any file will be released for any reciever anytime soon. As far as we know, they have a file already and are sitting on it waiting for the heat to subside. Any company releasing at this time with all the legal action would be suicidal. Have a great day!

That is very very possible.

let me remind you all of that old saying:
Do Not believe all what you hear or read

and

Do not Believe half of what you see with ur own eyes...

so basically we are no further ahead now than when N3 came into effect, unless of course what you are saying is true and they are just holding out on us for the release.

Viewsat and Sonicview are both manufactured / imported by Viewtech Inc., owned by Jung Kwak. While the fact that these two major FTA players are connected, they obviously are ran as completely seperate companies. If (and I for one can't see this happening) Viewsat were to go bankrupt, Sonicview could easily remain. There was a lot of talk years ago when Sonicview first came to the scene that it was going to replace Viewsat. The rumored reason why Viewsat is still around was due to the large number of Viewsat loyal customers. My guess is that Viewsat will be the first with the stand alone, followed very shortly after by Sonicview. I personaly think they have the fix and the reason for the delay of release is primarily due to thier attempts to make the files heavily protected. They need to ensure that all their hard work (possible purchased info...) isn't simply given away to the competition. They are in it for the money and if they can release the files without the competition being able to hack it even for a couple months, Viewtech stands to make millions.... It's going to be an interesting over the next few months....

I agree that there will be Mucho Denero Friends!