c/p from another site

Breaking News: Viewsat (inside story)
I got information from not just dealer but distributor that....
..... Viewsat is in the process of warping up & closing it's business (filing bankruptcy).

Too bad for current owners, if you are looking for pure FTA, wait month or so... you will find dealers getting rid of VS FTA @ half the price like Neosat.

This is very much a confirmed news, Viewsat is delaying the news so they could sell as many as possible to get rid of their inventory w/o loss. Well that explains why no IKS ever came out. I will give it till christmas before they go public with this.
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Ummmm someone posted this crap last night.....NEXT!!!!!!!!

why does this look like a deja vu ?

Seems like more BS.

sorry didn`t know it was up ;(

Wow.....seen it ages ago.

Why so many new member like to post bad rumour about vs??

:confused::confused:

Old news.....

anyone got new news

must be the same guy who posted saying fix is comeing .2 words,jaaaack ass

In order to file for bankruptcy, one must file documents with the government stating their intention to file for bankruptcy. Does anyone have the knowledge of where to look for these?

Will file, then go out of business, then pop back up selling "satview" receivers and trying to push new N3 fix. They will sell old VS with new name tag, company needs to go away for good.

I wondered about that when the court case was in session. Yes, it does make one wonder as to their decision not to go IKS. However, if vs does file and go bankrupt we can only hope that the company is purchased by another manufacturer. There are thousands of viewsat receivers out there!

The questions to consider...Will a stand alone solution ever be available for vs receivers? If vs stops supporting their coders will another entity do so? Could this new development support a proprietary market share whereby (future) vs codes will only be available from FTA sites requiring a fee?

In order to file for bankruptcy, one must file documents with the government stating their intention to file for bankruptcy. Does anyone have the knowledge of where to look for these?

you could go here: xxw.archives.gox/research/court-records/bankruptcy.hxxx

Oh boy!,The longer it takes , Sillior the rumor becomes ...What's next? Elvis is alive!;)

Man I'm getting sick of this stuff. How come it's always a copy and paste without any kind of verification? I'd much rather just read and make up my own mind and not have people who don't know anything throwing in their 2 cents. What is wrong with them?
Go find another hobby for the duration and stop wasting space! JMO
I listen to the people here who have a proven track record. I may or may not agree with them but at least they contribute their knowledge and insight and not just some garbage they dredged up from who-knows-where.
Sorry everyone, had to vent!!:)

I wondered about that when the court case was in session. Yes, it does make one wonder as to their decision not to go IKS. However, if vs does file and go bankrupt we can only hope that the company is purchased by another manufacturer. There are thousands of viewsat receivers out there!

The questions to consider...Will a stand alone solution ever be available for vs receivers? If vs stops supporting their coders will another entity do so? Could this new development support a proprietary market share whereby (future) vs codes will only be available from FTA sites requiring a fee?

VS will not be purchased they will go under and come back as a new company with a new receiver and all of us with VS receivers are out of luck. No big deal buy a new receiver and move on VS has scrwed many people so do not support anything they do. All part of this game, coolsat, NF nova, microyal and others. Just buy us them and if it goes out buy another.

anyone got new news
Well, the best news I could think of is that somebody has closed this stupid re-run of a thread! :thmbup:
How many more times do we re-hash this stuff? Old rumors!

VS will not be purchased they will go under and come back as a new company with a new receiver and all of us with VS receivers are out of luck. No big deal buy a new receiver and move on VS has scrwed many people so do not support anything they do. All part of this game, coolsat, NF nova, microyal and others. Just buy us them and if it goes out buy another.

How can you say viewsat screwed many people? They provided support for all of their receivers right up until N3, whereas some of the other brands you mention stopped support of some of their 's before that.

ok all whats with all the BS why dont we all just stop posting and lets see what comes out of it all to many rumours out there about this person that person its getting crazy if we just sit back and relax we may get better responses :)

we cant take any more bs
beleave me u going to pay dubel
the price for vs receivers

esto se jodio, al carajo el fix !

a cojer todos los que tenemos viewsat por el joyete, esto se jodio !

Why is anyone argueing over a "rumor", that may or may not be true?
My dad has a saying that fits here; "Never argue with a idiot, as people may not be able to tell the differance". So if you don't have anything positive to say, DON'T SAY ANYTHING!

I think this to be a false rumour makes more sense from a frustrated user. So a user basically pinning hopes on the 17th with already desperate times. 17the goes without the fulkfilment of hope. The frustrated user think VS should be bashed what better then to start a rumor. Most people might believe it.

I haven't forgotten which section this is but aren't the people that write the bins third party?
The two parties involved are theoretically different beasts!
Anyway, my original beef was with people that don't know what they are talking about just putting up crap they found somewhere or made up themselves.
There's enough of this stuff floating around so why not just sit back and enjoy life until something solid appears?
I'm pretty sure the mods have better things to do than wade through old news and imagination from folks with time on their hands.
Just my two cents guys.:thmbup:

Maybe it's true, maybe it's not; but what else can we do but wait?

Please read the rumors, believing them or not is up to you, but please don't hit on the posters with your shotguns making the threads long and boring.

jacb1

Sorry GP. Just makes my blood boil sometimes!
I'll shut up. Your dad knew what he was talking about!:)

ILL Help viewsat tell them i will buy ALL of the left over recievers !!!! hahahahaha

Only time will tell, gotta love the rumor section

Many of these posts are likely from imposters trying to stir up the masses and get people to buy a sub (which many likely already have). Some are possibly sincere c/p posts from rookies with itchy trigger fingers hoping to be the first one out with "important news".

I doubt many of these are from frustrated sv owners. They will likely be the only happy ones "sooner rather than later".

:|>

There's always going to be crap flying around...it's a rumor! Could be true, could be false...i guess we'll know for sure soon enough.
Meanwhile it gives us something to read...

Will file, then go out of business, then pop back up selling "satview" receivers and trying to push new N3 fix. They will sell old VS with new name tag, company needs to go away for good.

No, you need to go away for good and take your attitude with ya.

No, you need to go away for good and take your attitude with ya.

Buy some new viewsats help the company

Sounds Like Bullshit To Me

the bin must be close because every time i see this sh-t and then pow its all back and running

BREAKING NEWS!!! This just in... STOP REPOSTING OLD NEWS. Thankyou. More news at 11.

Is it Viewsat or viewtech ? Viewsat was not sued, it was viewtech, so, if Viewtech goes under, what's to stop another importer from selling Viewsat FtA units??? As long as they sell legal units they can't be stopped. Also if Viewtech does file for bankruptcy, it will have no effect on Viewsat products.:sleep:

No, you need to go away for good and take your attitude with ya.

actually I agree with alltel on this and I don't know how long you have been in this game but if for any length of time yu should realize that is how the game is played and that is exactly what they will do if VS disappears into the ethernet

Oh boy!,The longer it takes , Sillior the rumor becomes ...What's next? Elvis is alive!;)
He is.:yes:
But he has left the building.:lol:

This Is Bs Because Viewsat Is Not Going Under .

q paso con eso

q paso con eso

Parley vous Francais???:|>

Bien oui je parle français! Et de quel coin du Québec tu es? :thmbup:

Salut ''les gars''...moi aussi je parle français....De plus je suis de la belle ville de Québec.


Et vous ???

Is The Crack You Are Smoking Good... You Should Share.....

All these off the wall comments about the posted RUMOR are part of the reason a thread gets shut down. Making childish statements is just that. KEMO where are you.! :thmbdn:

Moi aussi je parle français!

Salut~~:|>:yes::yes:

only time will tell, and i've got all the time i want. keep. posting bs cause there some real folks thats got a phd in fta.

if viewsat get's sued for 1 billion well then i would believe it .Viewsat is the biggest fta brand made period .

hehehe man i love the rumours section :)

where is the click click meister when u need him...

amen keith

An yet the rumors continue to keep coming, an what's abit odd about all this is all the rumors lately an for a while now have been just about viewsat. I mean why not make an create a rumor about another brand ? hehehe Peeps it's getting rather abit old an runned into the ground about viewsat this and viewsat that, hopefully rumors will soon die down.

i concur, enough.... give viewsat a night off.
pick on something else, nfusions a easy target right now :)

An yet the rumors continue to keep coming, an what's abit odd about all this is all the rumors lately an for a while now have been just about viewsat. I mean why not make an create a rumor about another brand ? hehehe Peeps it's getting rather abit old an runned into the ground about viewsat this and viewsat that, hopefully rumors will soon die down.
Well, it is only natural. VS is the only brand with a spokesperson, none of the others have any and are therefore not heard of these days............damn if you do, damn if you don't for VS.

i concur, enough.... give viewsat a night off.
pick on something else, nfusions a easy target right now :)

And how exactly is nfusion an easy target?

right on Dalakerman06 we get good update's from Cyphris and viewsat get's bashed the most .why don't somebody start a post about coolsat or pansat ,etc.

Just out of curiosity, is it the company that makes VS the one filing or is it the distributor over here that is filing for bankruptcy? I thought that the company that makes VS also makes another brand of FTA box as well. Please correct me if I'm wrong.:confused:

c/p from another site

Breaking News: Viewsat (inside story)
I got information from not just dealer but distributor that....
..... Viewsat is in the process of warping up & closing it's business (filing bankruptcy).

Too bad for current owners, if you are looking for pure FTA, wait month or so... you will find dealers getting rid of VS FTA @ half the price like Neosat.

This is very much a confirmed news, Viewsat is delaying the news so they could sell as many as possible to get rid of their inventory w/o loss. Well that explains why no IKS ever came out. I will give it till christmas before they go public with this.
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I would really like to know who comes up with all this bullshit. The one that starts it has got to be one stupid fool and he must think that everyone that reads his crap is stupid too. I guess it is a sign of the times................What else can it be??:rolleyes:

olllllllld news. i hope this things gets closed.

Garbage post

An yet the rumors continue to keep coming, an what's abit odd about all this is all the rumors lately an for a while now have been just about viewsat. I mean why not make an create a rumor about another brand ? hehehe Peeps it's getting rather abit old an runned into the ground about viewsat this and viewsat that, hopefully rumors will soon die down.

The focus is on VS is because we know for a fact that Mr. Kwak was about to (so he thought) buy the card needed for the fix. Do you think he'd spend $250,000 on a card if he didn't have knowledge that coders would produce a standalone bin from it? Do you think VS gave up after the bust?

The only facts about the other box makers that we have is that those still alive went to IKS. VS could have gone IKS, but didn't...kind of leads one to think they have standalone bins as their goal. If a standalone does come out, it makes sense that it would come from VS, as we have proof that they were working on them before the bust in May.

Also remember that bankruptcy, for companies, is often used for financial reorganization so that the company can continue doing business after making appropriate changes. It doesn't mean the company dies.

I agree 99% with Teal. My 1% is we still need something credible & proven by a mod regarding bin creation & if VS is losing its battle with N3 cancer.

My dogs best friend the cat said a bird told him that this rumour is bs but who ever posted this crap should get a life. Not to be rude but why do you people waste band width and peoples time with this useless garbage

I think is a bad rumor just try to put in bad position the only box with real possibility of broke n3 .Please in this case i prefer wait and don't listen this class of stup.....in hispanish we say [honor a quien honor merese.]translate that and that's Viewsat.

change the channel right now

I would really like to know who comes up with all this bullshit. The one that starts it has got to be one stupid fool and he must think that everyone that reads his crap is stupid too. I guess it is a sign of the times................What else can it be??:rolleyes:

if no one likes it why are you reading and getting piss at me i just found it :mad:

people are getting to into this stuff . hey its rumors

I agree with tealhawke considering their reputation and the long silence, there are only 2 good reasons why vs would declare bankruptcy,(if in fact there is some truth to that) 1. to much pressure from the feds or 2. reorganizing and coming back under a different name with a product that can handle n3. corporations have done this before.:evil:

The focus is on VS is because we know for a fact that Mr. Kwak was about to (so he thought) buy the card needed for the fix. Do you think he'd spend $250,000 on a card if he didn't have knowledge that coders would produce a standalone bin from it? Do you think VS gave up after the bust?

The only facts about the other box makers that we have is that those still alive went to IKS. VS could have gone IKS, but didn't...kind of leads one to think they have standalone bins as their goal. If a standalone does come out, it makes sense that it would come from VS, as we have proof that they were working on them before the bust in May.

Also remember that bankruptcy, for companies, is often used for financial reorganization so that the company can continue doing business after making appropriate changes. It doesn't mean the company dies.

nice post :thmbup::thmbup::thmbup::thmbup::clap::clap:

:mad::mad:Does anyone ever listen to Gigster.Where is Kenmore ,Bump

[QUOTE=Tealhawke;653990]. If a standalone does come out, it makes sense that it would come from VS, as we have proof that they were working on them before the bust in May.

Every box maker was working on it my friend, working on it and hitting a brick wall. The real difference was that VS was telling everyone that they "HAD" the answers and would be ready to break it out once the complete switch over was done.

Without calling anyone names, we see now, months after the switch, just how much of an answer they really had.

I am guessing on this, but, I think Kwak was told months before the change over, that he would be able to obtain that open card and that was there ace in the hole. That is just what VS was counting on to figure it all out and the reason for all the coder team talk. It may also be the reason they did not feel the need to turn to IKS, certain that the open card would offer them a solution. Then when that "Holy Grail" turned in to "Holy Jail" moving the service to IKS with the courts and the Feds looking over there shoulder was no longer and option. Again, all spectulation on my part, but with the playing out of events, to me at least, this sure seems like how it all came down..

Mr Kwak was just greedy and since all the bad talk about Viewsat i have not heard any good talk of the other brand's comming with the n3 fix .

I tend to agree, Kwak & TDG's big mistake was trusting FR who was on dish/fbi's payroll



[QUOTE=Tealhawke;653990]. If a standalone does come out, it makes sense that it would come from VS, as we have proof that they were working on them before the bust in May.

Every box maker was working on it my friend, working on it and hitting a brick wall. The real difference was that VS was telling everyone that they "HAD" the answers and would be ready to break it out once the complete switch over was done.

Without calling anyone names, we see now, months after the switch, just how much of an answer they really had.

I am guessing on this, but, I think Kwak was told months before the change over, that he would be able to obtain that open card and that was there ace in the hole. That is just what VS was counting on to figure it all out and the reason for all the coder team talk. It may also be the reason they did not feel the need to turn to IKS, certain that the open card would offer them a solution. Then when that "Holy Grail" turned in to "Holy Jail" moving the service to IKS with the courts and the Feds looking over there shoulder was no longer and option. Again, all spectulation on my part, but with the playing out of events, to me at least, this sure seems like how it all came down..

why would they

Viewsat Will Not Let Us Down Just Give Them Time And The Best Way To Get Busted Is With Isk

[QUOTE=Salems-Lot;655196]I tend to agree, Kwak & TDG's big mistake was trusting FR who was on dish/fbi's payroll





oh man

What part don't you understand

[QUOTE=Salems-Lot;655196]I tend to agree, Kwak & TDG's big mistake was trusting FR who was on dish/fbi's payroll





oh man

lets see how bs can propagate along the community shall we , would it surprise anyone that both fred and chris tarnovsky reside in the same place in southern california ? would it be a complete conincidence that there are 2 decapsulation experts in the same place ? that place must breed em by the dozens , imagine two self proclaimed decapsulaion experts with newely acquired labs with microscopes , makes me think ! someone who has claimed minor issues of trouble in the past with dtv ( so has fred ) as well as chris , chris walked away from previous encounters without a scratch hmm maybe now fred to hmmm gotta think that one to , lots of coincidence there isnt there , but by this utter crap if not in context would be an interesting rumor , all the crap no proof

oops did i mention independent labs ?

guy's we need some new rumor's because this thread is getting very old .:sleep::eyes_closed::rifle:

Don't mean to hijack a thread so this will be my last post on the matter but Fred was definately NOT from California..... he flew to California to meet Kwak

Cheers:thmbup:

lets see how bs can propagate along the community shall we , would it surprise anyone that both fred and chris tarnovsky reside in the same place in southern california ? would it be a complete conincidence that there are 2 decapsulation experts in the same place ? that place must breed em by the dozens , imagine two self proclaimed decapsulaion experts with newely acquired labs with microscopes , makes me think ! someone who has claimed minor issues of trouble in the past with dtv ( so has fred ) as well as chris , chris walked away from previous encounters without a scratch hmm maybe now fred to hmmm gotta think that one to , lots of coincidence there isnt there , but by this utter crap if not in context would be an interesting rumor , all the crap no proof

what from texas in the basement lab

mr kwak is not even a coder but a dealer and he was just trying to beat Cyphris to the fix .I hope that this put's this to bed .

What is the meaning of 136---This is supossed to have operating signals.

[QUOTE=Tealhawke;653990]. If a standalone does come out, it makes sense that it would come from VS, as we have proof that they were working on them before the bust in May.

Every box maker was working on it my friend, working on it and hitting a brick wall. The real difference was that VS was telling everyone that they "HAD" the answers and would be ready to break it out once the complete switch over was done.

Without calling anyone names, we see now, months after the switch, just how much of an answer they really had.

I am guessing on this, but, I think Kwak was told months before the change over, that he would be able to obtain that open card and that was there ace in the hole. That is just what VS was counting on to figure it all out and the reason for all the coder team talk. It may also be the reason they did not feel the need to turn to IKS, certain that the open card would offer them a solution. Then when that "Holy Grail" turned in to "Holy Jail" moving the service to IKS with the courts and the Feds looking over there shoulder was no longer and option. Again, all spectulation on my part, but with the playing out of events, to me at least, this sure seems like how it all came down..

You've missed the point entirely... which is probably where we should end this thread, now that anti-VS and IKS-is-God people have confused the original post even further. The point is simple: The focus is on VS because they said they were about to have a fix, and then we learned through the courts that they in fact were about to buy a card. That's the only proof we have of ANY company working on a standalone fix. They promised not to go IKS and stood by it, going the card route.

The fact that they may have filed for bankruptcy while the VS coders are still with us, producing bins, gives a lot of us the feeling (no facts behind this) that they didn't give up and my have the card that will eventually produce a standalone fix.

tealhawke, running out of money and coders leaving the nest long time ago also fits the explanation , i would hope that people dont get there hopes up, as to viewsat time to move on, at least theres no dissapointments , i dont like seeing people filled with false hope , id like to see them chose an alternative at least for the time being no dashed hopes on standalone till its out

this new's is getting older as we speak .Have a little faith

Yes, they are going out of business and we have to accept it, it's hard to believe but this is a reality. :(

Can you show proof of this .

For clarity in this thread, one needs to understand who Viewsat IS and where they are based. Viewsat is a brand name of an FTA satellite receiver. It is manufactured in Korea by an electronics corporation based IN KOREA.

Viewtech and Kwak are a US based importer and distributor of the Viewsat product line. The only ones who may declare bankruptcy in the US would be Kwak and/or Viewtech.

SO... what's the big deal? US companies go bankrupt every day. Not all of them go out of business. If Kwak and Viewtech file bankruptcy however, I would bet they dissolve their companies and regroup.

In the meantime, Viewsat of Korea is conducting business as usual. They have an issue right now with their US distributor but that does not mean they are going to stop manufacturing receivers for the rest of the world. They will wait for the smoke to clear in the US and when it does, they will secure another distributorship for the US market.

So when you hear rumblings of "Viewsat going bankrupt" remember it's NOT the manufacturer going tits-up, it's just the US based distributor.

And like Teal said - the coding team is still out there releasing files for Telefonica, so they obviously don't give a rodent's behind about what's happening to Kwak and Viewtech.

Good time to end this thread too... It's strayed all over the place and was started by an old cut and paste....

tealhawke, running out of money and coders leaving the nest long time ago also fits the explanation , i would hope that people dont get there hopes up, as to viewsat time to move on, at least theres no dissapointments , i dont like seeing people filled with false hope , id like to see them chose an alternative at least for the time being no dashed hopes on standalone till its out

VS in not out of business, the VS coders are still there producing bins, and this is getting way out of hand. Close this thread!

bs and bump ,bump as kenmoe would say it .This thread need's to be closed asap

Why you gotta drag me into it? hehe

lol.... top poster gets picked on brother..... this thread is a good discussion.... for the most part..... don't ask a mod to close a thread cuz you don't like what you are hearing

Let's throw another twist into it how about it. OK...here is what we know....

1. Viewsat is up to their ass in alligators with legal trouble in the US..
2. We are seeing al kinds of rumors about a Viewsat "fix" for DN and Bev, but seeing nothing.
3. We are seeing Telefunk fixes on a regular basis...

How about this theory....Viewsat is going great guns in the central and South American markets. They have a coder team that is providing fixes for telefunk....do you suppose that those will be the only fixes to come from ANY Viewsat code tream? Whether it be because of legal issues in North America or vecause they can't make a fix for DN and Bev. Or quite possibly there is no money to support a code team for VS in North America...either because of legal issues or simply lack of sales due to N3....

just something to add to the discussion.....

Let's throw another twist into it how about it. OK...here is what we know....

1. Viewsat is up to their ass in alligators with legal trouble in the US..
2. We are seeing al kinds of rumors about a Viewsat "fix" for DN and Bev, but seeing nothing.
3. We are seeing Telefunk fixes on a regular basis...

How about this theory....Viewsat is going great guns in the central and South American markets. They have a coder team that is providing fixes for telefunk....do you suppose that those will be the only fixes to come from ANY Viewsat code tream? Whether it be because of legal issues in North America or vecause they can't make a fix for DN and Bev. Or quite possibly there is no money to support a code team for VS in North America...either because of legal issues or simply lack of sales due to N3....

just something to add to the discussion.....


Exactly!

It's a big world out there and the USA is not the only market.....

If I were an FTA manufacturer I would stay out of the US market until the heat is off... and focus on markets that I can make a profit in!

Nice post Ken!

This in itself is not a rumor but incorporating this with the original topic could feed that rumor

thebroken was freed last thursday and posted the following c/p

how would you like for me to prove myself?




I was officially free thursday, the rest was superficial bullchattle....

First thing I ate, was a #1, Large, Coke No ice, at McDonalds...






Hmm...
Ya, you're right, I'm not myself, I'm someone else.
I'll try to remember that next time I eat...
At least one of me will be available, according to you, to make no sense for at least 8 more days...

Here's some info for ya, not public...
I stay in San Diego, I stayed in Otay Mesa... (ya, the mex side of the border)
Oklahoma FTC had the best food.
Victorville was a 2 hour stop,
And After contacting everyone they could from my family to try to get me out, the judge saw fit to place me in the custody of a non american... So Pre-Trial Services could leave me alone... and stop trying to "HELP" me...

Ya, its me... JJ aint in jail, I was testing dataflow through the grapevine...
Damn that was fast.

c/p from another site

Breaking News: Viewsat (inside story)
I got information from not just dealer but distributor that....
..... Viewsat is in the process of warping up & closing it's business (filing bankruptcy).

Too bad for current owners, if you are looking for pure FTA, wait month or so... you will find dealers getting rid of VS FTA @ half the price like Neosat.

This is very much a confirmed news, Viewsat is delaying the news so they could sell as many as possible to get rid of their inventory w/o loss. Well that explains why no IKS ever came out. I will give it till christmas before they go public with this.
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can't see this happening because of the tel fixes coming out but who really does no but I will hold on and sub to Xtv before I go IKS. We will see sooner or later.:idea:

Its an interesting hobby isn't. I loved my viewsat, and will continue to wait, I think there are a lot of intrests just trying to get served right now.

the IKS/ cardshare revolution is here !!!! everyone just needs to move on , wake up !!! .. realy i dont even care anymore about it .. watch more iks/cardshare options will be poping up ....learn to adapt to the times ...shit changes ..... you can either fear change or enbrace it !!!!....btw i dont fall for all the scare tactic bs ...oh their going to get ya ....oooh ..oh their going to trace your pay-pal ....bullshit not going to happen !!

the IKS/ cardshare revolution is here !!!! everyone just needs to move on , wake up !!! .. realy i dont even care anymore about it .. watch more iks/cardshare options will be poping up ....learn to adapt to the times ...shit changes ..... you can either fear change or enbrace it !!!!....btw i dont fall for all the scare tactic bs ...oh their going to get ya ....oooh ..oh their going to trace your pay-pal ....bullshit not going to happen !!

beautifull, wtg satchick

the IKS/ cardshare revolution is here !!!! everyone just needs to move on , wake up !!! .. realy i dont even care anymore about it .. watch more iks/cardshare options will be poping up ....learn to adapt to the times ...shit changes ..... you can either fear change or enbrace it !!!!....btw i dont fall for all the scare tactic bs ...oh their going to get ya ....oooh ..oh their going to trace your pay-pal ....bullshit not going to happen !!




Let me guess you own a Nfusion I hub use IKS yourself and are in complete denial .
As to what both d*sh and b*v are really capible of doing with IKS
if this is the case you are in for a real big suprise...

wait until you get your letter from your isp and dish and bell.

all the power to you. that is the next ecm next stage.

that aint no bullshit ether . its gonna be fun to see all them fools have to pay $10.000 to stay out of coart .

wait until you get your letter from your isp and dish and bell.
I already get letters from Dish and my ISP....

dish is always wasting postage trying to get me to subscribe....
and my ISP sends me a bill for sevice, and wants me to upgrade my account....

BS BS BS after BS

i get emails all the time form dish to subscribe,,the funny thing is,,im in canada and cant lol

I already get letters from Dish and my ISP....

dish is always wasting postage trying to get me to subscribe....
and my ISP sends me a bill for sevice, and wants me to upgrade my account....

ha ha .

the IKS/ cardshare revolution is here !!!! everyone just needs to move on , wake up !!! .. realy i dont even care anymore about it .. watch more iks/cardshare options will be poping up ....learn to adapt to the times ...shit changes ..... you can either fear change or enbrace it !!!!....btw i dont fall for all the scare tactic bs ...oh their going to get ya ....oooh ..oh their going to trace your pay-pal ....bullshit not going to happen !!

well i guess north america iks will be next eh lmao




The Belgian Flemish TV Vlaanderen out the judicial artillery against cardsharing and seize piracy equipment . According to the Dutch biweekly Totaal TV, TV Vlaanderen has launched in recent weeks several actions against suppliers and individuals. The operation was conducted in Belgium and the Netherlands. One of the suppliers listed Belgian was also a major dealer TV Vlaanderen (referenced "topdealer" by the mix itself!). Several servers were seized, putting an end to a well-organized and qualified professional "clients" had a monitoring service, and could get answers in hours if a problem occurs. A civil action was launched in collaboration with other operators, as CanalSat, Canal Digitaal and BSkyB, as well as companies Kudelski encryption systems, Irdeto and Viaccess.

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TV Vlaanderen

For the first time, the Flemish television provider to report a legal action against companies and individuals who facaliteerden card cardsharing .
In the Netherlands and Belgium in recent weeks been several raids.
TV Vlaanderen confirmed versus Total TV also raids were made by TV Vlaanderen-authorized dealers.
One of them was even a book as topdealer.
Biggest battle was beaten in an unspecified published in Belgium.
There was an organization that up in an organized scale involved in card herring.
It was the professional organization so arranged that there was a real asset servicing where, against payment, the customer even within one hour answer was given to urgent questions.
The linked web site after the invasion no longer accessible.
In several raids, many servers used for herring card confiscated.
The Economic Inspectorate against such persons Minutes noted.
This should later criminally accountable for the court.
There are all suspected civil proceedings started.
It is important to lost subscriptions yet collected it.
Not only TV Vlaanderen but almost all European service providers are civil proceedings started.
The defendants, in addition to TV Vlaanderen for example, claims from BSkyB, Premiere, CanalSat, Canal Digital and Digital + doormat to see fall.
To complete the deal also encryption technology providers and Kudelski, Irdeto and Viaccess to civil process
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A very short summary:

* C+NL and TVV cards will not update correctly in some "unofficial" receivers. Your receiver will need an update, or on a dreambox you will need to use at least Cccam 2.1.x

* TVV has raided some cardsharers in BE. Most of these were shops/commercial servers, but they are also aiming at end-users.

i get emails all the time form dish to subscribe,,the funny thing is,,im in canada and cant lolsame here and dont understand why you want canadians to sub to american sat. dish is so stupid, lol

Let me guess you own a Nfusion I hub use IKS yourself and are in complete denial .
As to what both d*sh and b*v are really capible of doing with IKS
if this is the case you are in for a real big suprise...

wait until you get your letter from your isp and dish and bell.

all the power to you. that is the next ecm next stage.

that aint no bullshit ether . its gonna be fun to see all them fools have to pay $10.000 to stay out of coart .

Denial, as you speak of is when they pry my cold dead hands from my STB.If Dik or B*v
was to send me a bill for $10.000:WTF:,I think i could stay out of court.And that aint no Bullshit.

Let me guess you own a Nfusion I hub use IKS yourself and are in complete denial .
As to what both d*sh and b*v are really capible of doing with IKS
if this is the case you are in for a real big suprise...

wait until you get your letter from your isp and dish and bell.

all the power to you. that is the next ecm next stage.

that aint no bullshit ether . its gonna be fun to see all them fools have to pay $10.000 to stay out of coart .

COART?? Nobody's going to force me into helping somebody else paint any pictures.:lol:

opinions are like assholes just like rumors everyone has one
I will just wait for the fix

Total BS as usual, besides the court case with DN is against Viewsat USA, which is a Viewsat Distributor, not the damn manufacturer. So as long as Viewsat's Manufacturer in Korea wants to sell product there will be a fix plan and simple if Viewsat USA goes down. Viewsat Korea will just find another distributor. Just my 2 cents

Very good post and right on the money


For clarity in this thread, one needs to understand who Viewsat IS and where they are based. Viewsat is a brand name of an FTA satellite receiver. It is manufactured in Korea by an electronics corporation based IN KOREA.

Viewtech and Kwak are a US based importer and distributor of the Viewsat product line. The only ones who may declare bankruptcy in the US would be Kwak and/or Viewtech.

SO... what's the big deal? US companies go bankrupt every day. Not all of them go out of business. If Kwak and Viewtech file bankruptcy however, I would bet they dissolve their companies and regroup.

In the meantime, Viewsat of Korea is conducting business as usual. They have an issue right now with their US distributor but that does not mean they are going to stop manufacturing receivers for the rest of the world. They will wait for the smoke to clear in the US and when it does, they will secure another distributorship for the US market.

So when you hear rumblings of "Viewsat going bankrupt" remember it's NOT the manufacturer going tits-up, it's just the US based distributor.

And like Teal said - the coding team is still out there releasing files for Telefonica, so they obviously don't give a rodent's behind about what's happening to Kwak and Viewtech.

Good time to end this thread too... It's strayed all over the place and was started by an old cut and paste....

Now this rumor takes the cake, I call it B.S. So vs owners don't get dishearted over this. VS will rise again!!!!!

bankrupcy is not what it implies totally.they will be back!

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You've missed the point entirely... which is probably where we should end this thread, now that anti-VS and IKS-is-God people have confused the original post even further. The point is simple: The focus is on VS because they said they were about to have a fix, and then we learned through the courts that they in fact were about to buy a card. That's the only proof we have of ANY company working on a standalone fix. They promised not to go IKS and stood by it, going the card route.

The fact that they may have filed for bankruptcy while the VS coders are still with us, producing bins, gives a lot of us the feeling (no facts behind this) that they didn't give up and my have the card that will eventually produce a standalone fix.



I was just throwing out a possible cause of VS not turning to IKS while it pursued the answer to N3. An by not providing a "certain" service to is users stopping all sales thus pushing it to bankruptcy.
Again it was never meant to suggest VS parent company was not now or in the future looking for solutions to N3 nor meant to be anti VS or pro IKS.

Just as SV promised not to turn to IKS sometimes situations change thus alternative direction must be explored to remain viable. My GUESS is, that VS would have made this decision as well had it's card ace, been a scam rather then a set -up.

I think it must be assumed that then as well as now, VS is not the only company, group or individual working toward an answer to N3 .