latest from Cyphris...

again... he DOES NOT give any timeline... so no need to speculate and rumor it!

Originally Posted by Cyphris
There have been many rumors flying around in regards to VS. So I will set a few things straight. First off there was never any N3 VS Beta file made for release or for testing to special people. Secondly The VS coders premises or work area or warehouse as what was said was never nor has ever been broken into, raided. In Fact the VS coders are not even in North America and are spread out in different parts of the world.

As for any dates for a VS release for a standalone file, Again it is undetermined as it is still a work in progress. I can say they do have Video and Audio working, however it is very unstable. This is the part in which is making it very difficult but with time they will be able to solve that issue and get it to a stable state that will allow for a public release.

dont think it took cyphris to mention what was already known , allthough if it helps to settle the crap thats been out there and takes a few words from him so some can see that what has been said in the past rumours was pure nonsense and to state the obvious then good to see it , crying shame its been that a few dealers are so worried about sitting on some old stock they had to fabricate in order to flip a few boxes , hard to educate yourself against the unknown though for some its trial and error , hopefully were all savy enough not to buy into rumors until its proven seeing is beleiving , ive said it before move on and no need to buy any vs's until and only until you want true fta or see a working bin out , nevertheless itll ease somes concerns out there to hear from cyphris im sure

VS boxes are still good for TRUE FTA... no?

and as u said... "savy" people can wait on buying new VS boxes...

no one is putting an FTA GUN to their heads...

and its a waiting game for sure...

no one knows...

re read nokia what i said,,, no need to buy any vs's until and only until you want true fta or see a working bin out <--c/p from what i said ,,,,,and i said hopefully were all savy enough not to buy into the rumors

underline SAVY :shifty:

and i know what to read and how to read... specially between the lines..:coffee:

im not interested in a pissing match , nothing to read into

just a ploy to keep the prices up, you can still buy a non-working VS and pay as much or more than a working box

If you can read between the lines what Cyphris said

"very difficult but with time"
to me it means its going to be a long time very long time:sleep:.

See you in the IKS forum section:read:

so true WebWizard

i take it as please do not go to another box and go out and buy another vs box and make us rich and some time in the future there will be a fix.the biggest mistake the make are these fix dates in my work i would get sued if i threw out dates out there i could not meet.so i take thing's a little diffrent some time in the future we will be able to dust of are box's

If indeed this Cyphris person is a TRUE spokesperson for the VS coding team (not VS themselves!) then why not take what he says for what it is?

An update.

Dispel rumors (Warehouse, beta releases, etc...)

Nuggets like "working audio and video" give some hope, but NO GUARANTEES.

Good, bad or indifferent the information being presented is better than NO information.

None of the other camps (Pansat, etc..) have said a peep since Black Thursday.

So why are we here today? To check up on things.

This is a great post and will probably feed the masses for a few days to come.... bringing us one day closer to a POSSIBLE fix...

Have a great weekend everybody and try to be nice OK?

im not interested in a pissing match , nothing to read into

i wasn't provoking u to a pissin match...

have a great morning...i know i will :)

hey Chucky... i like how u read between the lines... ;)

just a ploy to keep the prices up, you can still buy a non-working VS and pay as much or more than a working box

And this is a brilliant plan, wouldn't you agree?

Have we heard from Blacklist lately? Nope. How many Pansats are being sold? Probably as many as they did BEFORE the free-TV'rs showed up. Sure sales are down but the FTA industry as a whole will not shrivel up and fall off the vine.

This hobby is not all about Free TV. As with any other hobby, there are plenty of true enthusiasts to keep the manufacturers developing new receivers and adding features.

I am a prime example of how the FTA world has changed. I was drawn into this with the carrot of free TV. I was already a sub and simply buying a 3500SD got me free TV. Lots of it. So much I added a second dish just to get BEV (when it was available...). Then I bought a DPP44 switch so I could add a 9200HD and get 129 as well.

I canceled my sub and when things went dark, I still had my free cable to fall back on. That is what I am watching now. My free cable. (Canceled cable when I subbed DN, removed the filter that allowed Internet but not TV).

Now I have just bought a 90CM dish and a motor to go full on motorized FTA. Here I am helping the industry and continuing my education in True FTA.

If people would expand their horizons and realize it's not all about free TV, they will see why VS wants to keep their name out there. If N3 ever is cracked, VS will be vindicated for all this PR work they have done. If not, they may have still gained some new true FTA'rs.

VS has a great product whether you use them for True FTA or not.

Kudos to them for staying in the spotlight during the darkness.

:yes::yes::thmbup::cheers:Like i said before the n3 card was not built in 2 month's by charlie so it want be hacked in 2 month's but it will be hacked .If it 6 month's who care's .Keep digging Cyphris

ok, next chapter please....

:yes::yes::thmbup::cheers:Like i said before the n3 card was not built in 2 month's by charlie so it want be hacked in 2 month's but it will be hacked .If it 6 month's who care's .Keep digging Cyphris

agree with you booble, it will take more time to hack it, the good hing about it, is that they do get audio and video, which is a pleasant news to hear.

lol, i wanna see more rumors saying they were all locked up by the feds because they were ALL together at a hotel somewere hiding . thank God that will stop the bs for a while. :|>

I feel a fight coming on.....

dont think it took cyphris to mention what was already known , allthough if it helps to settle the crap thats been out there and takes a few words from him so some can see that what has been said in the past rumours was pure nonsense and to state the obvious then good to see it , crying shame its been that a few dealers are so worried about sitting on some old stock they had to fabricate in order to flip a few boxes , hard to educate yourself against the unknown though for some its trial and error , hopefully were all savy enough not to buy into rumors until its proven seeing is beleiving , ive said it before move on and no need to buy any vs's until and only until you want true fta or see a working bin out , nevertheless itll ease somes concerns out there to hear from cyphris im sure

I think a thank you is in order.:read::read:...

latest from Cyphris...

again... he DOES NOT give any timeline... so no need to speculate and rumor it!



where was this c/p from? Cyphris only post on a very few forums. How do we know this is from Cyphris?

where was this c/p from? Cyphris only post on a very few forums. How do we know this is from Cyphris?

wait for nokia to respond or wait for a mod like gigster to confirm. :cool:

i would wait for Gigster! ;)

where was this c/p from? Cyphris only post on a very few forums. How do we know this is from Cyphris?

******** rings a bell?

and i don't copy paste garbage ... :)

All I am getting from this is:-

a writer will start a thread or a response, the writer knows what he wants to say, maybe he/she can't choose the words were everyone will understand what he/she is trying to say, hence the reader can take some thing several ways, negative people will always take it negatively and positive people will take it postive, and every way in between.
People have the right to an opinion, and others have the right to buff that opinion because they don't agree, or read and "can't be bothered", and a few should learn this without jumping on an others face for his/her opinions.

AND I am not pointing fingers, buy you all know who you are.

no mention of other sites

Looks good, was just hoping yesterday that we'd get an update, even if it isn't a bin as posted before it's helluva lot better than nothing.

[QUOTE=NOKIA™;661748][FONT=Georgia]latest from Cyphris...

again... he [COLOR=Red]DOES NOT give any timeline... so no need to speculate and rumor it!


:yes:


[B]Friends it is a 100% known fact in Very private circles that a standalone fix does exits.

The sulution is very similar 2 the sonicview fix of last jan 09 that lasted till the current outage june 09.

VRT (Variable Rotating Timer ) was one of the key factors in SV success for the most part.

But until viewsat, since they have the most 2 gain comes up with 5 million $$$s 2Pay the team that fixed it, there will be No Fix released.
These guy$ are Hired Gun$!
The peep$ that are in charge are nobody$ fool$.

Viewsat will make about $50 million $$$ profit within the next 8-10 months upon fix being released, by selling some boxes.


You can All talk and listen 2 this yang from King Cyphris, but Not until the Koreans cough up the CASH, there will be No Public Fix!

thanks Cyphris for the update. folks stop reading so much into this !! dont read between the lines when there is nothing there to read! when the fix is ready , its ready, stop with all the rumors, who is going out of business, who got broken into, if you dont have proof to back it up dont post, enough with a very good friend, or my sisters girlfriend, my wife's boyfriend, geez get another hobby already ! the only thing you are showing us , is you know nothing about fta and less of how it works. and if you can code better and faster then shut up and do it !! im glad im not a moderator,, alot of you's would be in the read only section........i know everyone is allowed there opinion .... but folks ,,, please dont hold those farts in.... they go up ur spin and into ur head and in ur brain.....thats where crapy ideas come from......... have fun.... see no crap from crisco joke this time !!! ill have a new one next week...hahahahahaha

[quote=NOKIA™;661748][font=Georgia]latest from Cyphris...

again... he [COLOR=Red]DOES NOT give any timeline... so no need to speculate and rumor it!


:yes:


[B]Friends it is a 100% known fact in Very private circles that a standalone fix does exits.

The sulution is very similar 2 the sonicview fix of last jan 09 that lasted till the current outage june 09.

VRT (Variable Rotating Timer ) was one of the key factors in SV success for the most part.

But until viewsat, since they have the most 2 gain comes up with 5 million $$$s 2Pay the team that fixed it, there will be No Fix released.
These guy$ are Hired Gun$!
The peep$ that are in charge are nobody$ fool$.

Viewsat will make about $50 million $$$ profit within the next 8-10 months upon fix being released, by selling some boxes.


You can All talk and listen 2 this yang from King Cyphris, but Not until the Koreans cough up the CASH, there will be No Public Fix!
well said .i believe the same thing ....thats why i believe now their wont be a N3 fix atleast not for a very ...very long time !!!! if ever ????

[QUOTE=NOKIA™;661748][FONT=Georgia]latest from Cyphris...

again... he [COLOR=Red]DOES NOT give any timeline... so no need to speculate and rumor it!


:yes:


[B]Friends it is a 100% known fact in Very private circles that a standalone fix does exits.

The sulution is very similar 2 the sonicview fix of last jan 09 that lasted till the current outage june 09.

VRT (Variable Rotating Timer ) was one of the key factors in SV success for the most part.

But until viewsat, since they have the most 2 gain comes up with 5 million $$$s 2Pay the team that fixed it, there will be No Fix released.
These guy$ are Hired Gun$!
The peep$ that are in charge are nobody$ fool$.

Viewsat will make about $50 million $$$ profit within the next 8-10 months upon fix being released, by selling some boxes.


You can All talk and listen 2 this yang from King Cyphris, but Not until the Koreans cough up the CASH, there will be No Public Fix!

This was posted weeks ago and sounds like a bunch of crap not to mention Cyphris has basically discredited all other rumors out there.

Common sense says anyone paying 5 mill for a hack would need to market a new stb if they had any hopes of recouping there investment.

I think a thank you is in order.:read::read:...

lets be clear thats not gonna happen , you know im amazed that a lot of these rumors are diswaying the real questions that should have been asked many weeks ago , lets take the 17th for example that whole issue arose from emails from certain sites to its membership and spread like wildfire into a rumor , my question is this why did these sites allow emails to be propagated with the only benneficiary was the sponsors of those sites how did those sites give up or buy into a a mailer list sent forth with propaganda claiming a fix due out in a few weeks which we now know or knew then was a complete sham questions should have come from the mods and admins of these sites to have protected its membership against falsehoods that had no proof whatsoever ,yet they chose to have the sponsors best interest in mind , if cyphris is who he says he is and has the knowledge out there as to speek on behalf of the coders then he would have known it was a complete sham and could have come out and railed against this and screamed blue murder , kinda clear most of the rumors came from a few dealers , why did these sites that sent emails not want proof before allowing them, lets be clear if you want a viewsat for truefta buy one , but if you got soled something from false information thinking a fix was on the way it is wrong pure and simple and shame on those who propagated that intention of falsehoods

lets be clear thats not gonna happen , you know im amazed that a lot of these rumors are diswaying the real questions that should have been asked many weeks ago , lets take the 17th for example that whole issue arose from emails from certain sites to its membership and spread like wildfire into a rumor , my question is this why did these sites allow emails to be propagated with the only benneficiary was the sponsors of those sites how did those sites give up or buy into a a mailer list sent forth with propaganda claiming a fix due out in a few weeks which we now know or knew then was a complete sham questions should have come from the mods and admins of these sites to have protected its membership against falsehoods that had no proof whatsoever ,yet they chose to have the sponsors best interest in mind , if cyphris is who he says he is and has the knowledge out there as to speek on behalf of the coders then he would have known it was a complete sham and could have come out and railed against this and screamed blue murder , kinda clear most of the rumors came from a few dealers , why did these sites that sent emails not want proof before allowing them, lets be clear if you want a viewsat for truefta buy one , but if you got soled something from false information thinking a fix was on the way it is wrong pure and simple and shame on those who propagated that intention of falsehoods
exactly a sham !!!!! all bullshit info to make peeps go buy a viewsat !!!!!

just a ploy to keep the prices up, you can still buy a non-working VS and pay as much or more than a working box
New working VS ultra lite selling for $50 in my area much less than working IKS receiver.

exactly a sham !!!!! all bullshit info to make peeps go buy a viewsat !!!!!

People when are you gonna wake up and realize, that there will be NO FTA bin untillPLASTIC has a fix or work around or whatever you want to call it out first. FTA bins are created off PLASTIC after they have a stable PLASTIC solution up and running and tested. NOT UNTIL. So all this BS about FTA bins ready for release or close, is just that, BS. Until you see a PLASTIC Fix, you will see NO FTA fix.

I think we all know by now there is a phoney Cyphris running around the FTA sites posting things he knows absolutely nothing about. Then someone will see his post and C/P it to another site and so on and so on. Now I don't know for sure, but I don't think Cyphris can keep an eye on every site out there to see what is being claimed to be said by him. I know I can't possibly watch every site. Can any of you? I found a phoney me on one site. But I couldn't register at that site to tell them it was a phoney me, because I was already on there supposedly and I didn't know the password this person had used.
Just something for you to think about.

Will the real Cyhris please stand up.....:rofl:

dont think it took cyphris to mention what was already known , allthough if it helps to settle the crap thats been out there and takes a few words from him so some can see that what has been said in the past rumours was pure nonsense and to state the obvious then good to see it , crying shame its been that a few dealers are so worried about sitting on some old stock they had to fabricate in order to flip a few boxes , hard to educate yourself against the unknown though for some its trial and error , hopefully were all savy enough not to buy into rumors until its proven seeing is beleiving , ive said it before move on and no need to buy any vs's until and only until you want true fta or see a working bin out , nevertheless itll ease somes concerns out there to hear from cyphris im sure

nice post coop


re read nokia what i said,,, no need to buy any vs's until and only until you want true fta or see a working bin out <--c/p from what i said ,,,,,and i said hopefully were all savy enough not to buy into the rumors


and another

People when are you gonna wake up and realize, that there will be NO FTA bin untillPLASTIC has a fix or work around or whatever you want to call it out first. FTA bins are created off PLASTIC after they have a stable PLASTIC solution up and running and tested. NOT UNTIL. So all this BS about FTA bins ready for release or close, is just that, BS. Until you see a PLASTIC Fix, you will see NO FTA fix.
So there is no way that a team working for VS could hack the plastic?? It can only be done from the people working on plastic no one else can handle this?

Koreans don’t need to cough up any thing they are selling their units all over the world specially Asia and middle east and also they will not get involved with any kind of signal encryption because fta boxes not meant for that.
But one thing is for sure if coders do have the stand alone fix they would want to be paid handsomely and it is only up to cretin individual or individuals to come up with the money to invest but for now IKS talks and stand alone walks
And people want their TV with or without PPV.:yes::v:

I will have to say this is all speculation, like in the past our mods said they will post any word from cyphris with his avatar all others are bs

[QUOTE=NOKIA™;661748][FONT=Georgia]latest from Cyphris...

again... he [COLOR=Red]DOES NOT give any timeline... so no need to speculate and rumor it!


:yes:


[B]Friends it is a 100% known fact in Very private circles that a standalone fix does exits.

The sulution is very similar 2 the sonicview fix of last jan 09 that lasted till the current outage june 09.

VRT (Variable Rotating Timer ) was one of the key factors in SV success for the most part.

But until viewsat, since they have the most 2 gain comes up with 5 million $$$s 2Pay the team that fixed it, there will be No Fix released.
These guy$ are Hired Gun$!
The peep$ that are in charge are nobody$ fool$.

Viewsat will make about $50 million $$$ profit within the next 8-10 months upon fix being released, by selling some boxes.


You can All talk and listen 2 this yang from King Cyphris, but Not until the Koreans cough up the CASH, there will be No Public Fix!

I have no idea if this is true or not nor do I care but if this is true 5 mil and make profit of 50 mill I would think any business man/woman this would be a no brainer That is one hell of a investment that alot people would take.

I think the people around saying pcs is the future I am starting to beleive them only if is was cheaper since you can sub share and pay the same amount without any risk

latest from Cyphris...

again... he DOES NOT give any timeline... so no need to speculate and rumor it!



yah we know this allready, they are having trouble emulating the cards properly, the CW.s are off by seconds and it is freezing. I think the units are having trouble with all the keys rolling at that pace. We might be forced to purchase units with more memory or a add on unit to our existing units to soften the load on the fta unit.

Just to verify for those that are still wondering..this C/P is from the one/only Cyphris himself at the sister site to the VS site;one of the few sites that you will see him post at.He may however correspond with staff at a few other sites to sometimes pass along info so as to limit any attention being focused on himself or VS coders at this time..and understandably so.JMO

DEFINITLY!!! Good point!!

People when are you gonna wake up and realize, that there will be NO FTA bin untillPLASTIC has a fix or work around or whatever you want to call it out first. FTA bins are created off PLASTIC after they have a stable PLASTIC solution up and running and tested. NOT UNTIL. So all this BS about FTA bins ready for release or close, is just that, BS. Until you see a PLASTIC Fix, you will see NO FTA fix.

Nice ! I see a nail getting squarely smoked in the head with this comment. I tell ya what I'm only going by what I was able to do with a N2 card and that was adding PPV string and editing all tiers wide open , changing dates but all along not having a clue what P Q N was because I had a de subbed card and only had to edit my ird box keys to match. At least with N1 we had it all we could write the card to match box keys of any receiver because all was known, N2 was a different scenario. Now N3 is the latest of 3 and guess what even if glitched into which I dont doubt has been done can we edit the dataspace I dont know but what Ive been hearing almost impossible anyway like the quote says PLASTIC first always is and guess what N3 wont be emulation friendly
peace im done

Nice ! I see a nail getting squarely smoked in the head with this comment. I tell ya what I'm only going by what I was able to do with a N2 card and that was adding PPV string and editing all tiers wide open , changing dates but all along not having a clue what P Q N was because I had a de subbed card and only had to edit my ird box keys to match. At least with N1 we had it all we could write the card to match box keys of any receiver because all was known, N2 was a different scenario. Now N3 is the latest of 3 and guess what even if glitched into which I dont doubt has been done can we edit the dataspace I dont know but what Ive been hearing almost impossible anyway like the quote says PLASTIC first always is and guess what N3 wont be emulation friendly
peace im done
Its not friendly, its a bit***

i took it as work in progress

The Oscar goes to!

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Cyphris...fantastic performance...

1. ok VS does not need to sell boxes right now - they know your an idiot if you buy now plus they are selling them in south america just fine for telefonica

2. There were no dates given by VS EVER - lies created by iks people to discredit stand alone

3. plastic does not need to be hacked first its only coincidence that they have been first before.

4. cyphris is just trying to clear up false rumours created by idiots like most of you :censored: here

5. megodtron never said he was working on vs bin

6. no new receiver is going to be needed for vs cyphris has said many times over their fix will work on all their current recievers

7. quit trying to push iks on everybody because when nfusion decides to start charging a subscription fee for it you will be crying for stand alone - you know they will just look at their track record discontinuing support for nova just to sell more receivers in a time they knew it would be good sales

1. ok VS does not need to sell boxes right now - they know your an idiot if you buy now plus they are selling them in south america just fine for telefonica

2. There were no dates given by VS EVER - lies created by iks people to discredit stand alone

3. plastic does not need to be hacked first its only coincidence that they have been first before.

4. cyphris is just trying to clear up false rumours created by idiots like most of you :censored: here

5. megodtron never said he was working on vs bin

6. no new receiver is going to be needed for vs cyphris has said many times over their fix will work on all their current recievers

7. quit trying to push iks on everybody because when nfusion decides to start charging a subscription fee for it you will be crying for stand alone - you know they will just look at their track record discontinuing support for nova just to sell more receivers in a time they knew it would be good sales
Very well written post thanks, need more like this!

That's what I say Bravo Bravo Charlie

Awesome!! That was very well written and easy to understand!! Two thumbs up!!

1. ok VS does not need to sell boxes right now - they know your an idiot if you buy now plus they are selling them in south america just fine for telefonica

2. There were no dates given by VS EVER - lies created by iks people to discredit stand alone

3. plastic does not need to be hacked first its only coincidence that they have been first before.

4. cyphris is just trying to clear up false rumours created by idiots like most of you :censored: here

5. megodtron never said he was working on vs bin

6. no new receiver is going to be needed for vs cyphris has said many times over their fix will work on all their current recievers

7. quit trying to push iks on everybody because when nfusion decides to start charging a subscription fee for it you will be crying for stand alone - you know they will just look at their track record discontinuing support for nova just to sell more receivers in a time they knew it would be good sales

wow lol, well said mate!!:worship:

wow lol, well said mate!!:worship:

Megadtron might be testing on a card he wrote, who knows, but for sure, if a bin is released, that would mean they dumped the card and wrote a bin, simple as that. They dont have to say they dumped the card, but a dumping of the card would be needed to write a bin for our units. It was stated by cyphris that a dump already took place before they arrested kwak. So again wait and see. No one knows for sure.

just a ploy to keep the prices up, you can still buy a non-working VS and pay as much or more than a working box
I got to agree this a brilliant plan

nice

Just read through this whole thread and my take is this:

1. vs has since day one been reliable for keeping folks in free tv... although at times they were last in putting out "fixes". Sometimes they were first.
2. Gigster has always provided accurate and timely information to this website.
3. vs, through various sources have always taken the position that no new stb units would be needed when they can get around the N3 problem which means to me that you do not need to rush out and purchase a newer unit.
4. I don't believe vs is attempting to discredit iks. Sure... they are awar of it... who isn? Its up to each individual to decide which direction they want to go in.... This has been said over and over again. I think they are honestly trying to keep their customer base. When and if a fix will come out is anyone's guess. Personally my crystal ball is malfunctioning so I have no idea what is in the future.
5. Nokia's post is informative and only serves to boost confidence that vs will eventually produce something that works or they will fess up and truthfully say it can't be done.

Now I know that many members are using iks as an stop-gap solution and that there are problems with iks.... but it's better than having nothing so be thankful for what you have cuz you could have nothing. Make the best of it.

Finally... lots of members have different stb units and use the one that works. I may be a diehard but I firmly believe that if the c/p in post #1 are credible, then vs will produce a lasting solution. It's a bumpy road ahead. Be advised the current situation is not new to folks who have been in this hobby for a while.

This post smacks of having some truth to it... it not then we move on. If yes... then you just have to go with the flow, bide your time, have patience and wait to see if its tue:)

P.S. JMHO. Go viewsat and Im sure this will be seen by Gigster and he can tell us if it bears any truth:)

good update, on need for an iks.

Well said dmantom, I like it!

well said dmantom!!! I agree 100% with what u said. Just sit back folks and wait.

Thank you guys... just trying to tell it like it is. God, I love a good rumor! lol

You go!!! lol

We got more people posting in these daily Viewsat rumor threads then any other topic. And by daily, I mean these Viewsat threads are posted daily and all the same people reply with the exact same comments/replies.

Can you say broken record?

If this continues we should make it a sport. Jeez, you guys need a new hobby, maybe try a Kbox... lol

thanks for the infor,just listing to or reading ,but now i'll just waiting for some thing thanks again,

We got more people posting in these daily Viewsat rumor threads then any other topic. And by daily, I mean these Viewsat threads are posted daily and all the same people reply with the exact same comments/replies.

Can you say broken record?

If this continues we should make it a sport. Jeez, you guys need a new hobby, maybe try a Kbox... lol

:lol::thmbup:

:v:

We got more people posting in these daily Viewsat rumor threads then any other topic. And by daily, I mean these Viewsat threads are posted daily and all the same people reply with the exact same comments/replies.

Can you say broken record?

If this continues we should make it a sport. Jeez, you guys need a new hobby, maybe try a Kbox... lol

lol, good one. I teach a class, its called rumorology. I teach the difference between a good rumor and a bad one. I think alot of people here need to take my class.

I ordered a Neosat. My buddy has one up on EKS and it works great. Still have my Viewsat Extreme if a fix DOES come.

correct me if I said anything wrong. from my experience in IT business, with encryption, either it is being cracked, or not. there is nothing in between. the hard part is figure out how the encryption works. that is why a card dump is needed first, and that is why in WWII, U.S. Navy risked so much to get on board German U boats to get their code machine and code book. Once people figure out how it works, to make it perfectly working, only takes a small period of time to do it.

So, if what is said in this post is true, (they got audio and video, not just stable.) then, they cracked it already. So, why, this takes them so long so perfect it. I heard the same rumor weeks ago, so, they gotta been working on this over a month or two.

Besides, if they have a "PARTIAL" fix, why would they hold it secretly and watching VS sales keep going down? they are loosing millions, and a lot of the customers will not go back to the stand alone fix even coders released the bin file, since they paid for their IKS units already. If they HAVE a PARTIAL fix, they WILL release it right away and stop VS market share from shrinking.

So, they dont have a fix. Just hope something could prove me wrong in the next few weeks.

So there is no way that a team working for VS could hack the plastic?? It can only be done from the people working on plastic no one else can handle this?

That is correct, VS does NOT mess with PLASTIC period. Again, NO Card Fix, NO FTA fix and thats a fact.

correct me if I said anything wrong. from my experience in IT business, with encryption, either it is being cracked, or not. there is nothing in between. the hard part is figure out how the encryption works. that is why a card dump is needed first, and that is why in WWII, U.S. Navy risked so much to get on board German U boats to get their code machine and code book. Once people figure out how it works, to make it perfectly working, only takes a small period of time to do it.

So, if what is said in this post is true, (they got audio and video, not just stable.) then, they cracked it already. So, why, this takes them so long so perfect it. I heard the same rumor weeks ago, so, they gotta been working on this over a month or two.

Besides, if they have a "PARTIAL" fix, why would they hold it secretly and watching VS sales keep going down? they are loosing millions, and a lot of the customers will not go back to the stand alone fix even coders released the bin file, since they paid for their IKS units already. If they HAVE a PARTIAL fix, they WILL release it right away and stop VS market share from shrinking.

So, they dont have a fix. Just hope something could prove me wrong in the next few weeks.

thank you, finally someone making sense, this is the best reply I've read in weeks

VS is not loosing millions they do sell in other areas of the world, They may not be making what they could but not loosing. Just think what they have made over the passed 3 years, all will come out in the next few months. Yes its a go or no way dude!!

1. ok VS does not need to sell boxes right now - they know your an idiot if you buy now plus they are selling them in south america just fine for telefonica

2. There were no dates given by VS EVER - lies created by iks people to discredit stand alone

3. plastic does not need to be hacked first its only coincidence that they have been first before.

4. cyphris is just trying to clear up false rumours created by idiots like most of you :censored: here

5. megodtron never said he was working on vs bin

6. no new receiver is going to be needed for vs cyphris has said many times over their fix will work on all their current recievers

7. quit trying to push iks on everybody because when nfusion decides to start charging a subscription fee for it you will be crying for stand alone - you know they will just look at their track record discontinuing support for nova just to sell more receivers in a time they knew it would be good sales

again... nice to see that someone has two brain cells to clink together.

VS is not loosing millions they do sell in other areas of the world, They may not be making what they could but not loosing. Just think what they have made over the passed 3 years, all will come out in the next few months. Yes its a go or no way dude!!

alltel...don't waste your breath, or should I say typing fingers/bandwidth, etc. This was pointed out many times in the last few months, yet some people just keep reintroducing the same old rumours (and a few new ones here and there) even when they have been clarified over and over.

These people will continue trying to confuse and cloud the information that is out there. But I think most legit members on this site will know which messages to focus on.

Thanks for the update Cyphris!

Go :v:S! Go!

correct me if I said anything wrong. from my experience in IT business, with encryption, either it is being cracked, or not. there is nothing in between. the hard part is figure out how the encryption works. that is why a card dump is needed first, and that is why in WWII, U.S. Navy risked so much to get on board German U boats to get their code machine and code book. Once people figure out how it works, to make it perfectly working, only takes a small period of time to do it.

So, if what is said in this post is true, (they got audio and video, not just stable.) then, they cracked it already. So, why, this takes them so long so perfect it. I heard the same rumor weeks ago, so, they gotta been working on this over a month or two.

Besides, if they have a "PARTIAL" fix, why would they hold it secretly and watching VS sales keep going down? they are loosing millions, and a lot of the customers will not go back to the stand alone fix even coders released the bin file, since they paid for their IKS units already. If they HAVE a PARTIAL fix, they WILL release it right away and stop VS market share from shrinking.

So, they dont have a fix. Just hope something could prove me wrong in the next few weeks.


Buddy you are 100% right! Binaries all the way 0 or 1, no middle...

and seriously why would someone that has an IKS would go back to a unit that uses only BIN, while you can have 1 that does both.... and Even if Viewsat releases the bin, its easy for Kbox or other maker to take that bin re-wrap it for their own boxes and the job is done for that IKS untill next ECM...

makes 100% sence to me

I thought this Cyphris latest update is suppose to be a BULCROP as was posted earlier this morning.How come everyone is on it?

thank you, finally someone making sense, this is the best reply I've read in weeks
http://www.ftabins.net/image.php?u=1&dateline=1186606294 (http://www.ftabins.net/member.php?u=1) n3xtgen (http://www.ftabins.net/member.php?u=1) I got to agree with you,that was eloquently argued.
It is undisputedly a thought/opinion that we can agree is solid,rational and logical.

correct me if I said anything wrong. from my experience in IT business, with encryption, either it is being cracked, or not. there is nothing in between. the hard part is figure out how the encryption works. that is why a card dump is needed first, and that is why in WWII, U.S. Navy risked so much to get on board German U boats to get their code machine and code book. Once people figure out how it works, to make it perfectly working, only takes a small period of time to do it.

So, if what is said in this post is true, (they got audio and video, not just stable.) then, they cracked it already. So, why, this takes them so long so perfect it. I heard the same rumor weeks ago, so, they gotta been working on this over a month or two.

Besides, if they have a "PARTIAL" fix, why would they hold it secretly and watching VS sales keep going down? they are loosing millions, and a lot of the customers will not go back to the stand alone fix even coders released the bin file, since they paid for their IKS units already. If they HAVE a PARTIAL fix, they WILL release it right away and stop VS market share from shrinking.

So, they dont have a fix. Just hope something could prove me wrong in the next few weeks.


obviously there is in betweens there are ways to not fully crack something if the timing is off or any number of things. encryption is not black-white 1's-0's kinda thing its much more difficult than that.

and wwII encryptions are completely different lol nice reference that like comparing 28 baud modems to a fricken fibre connection lol

No less than a year before we see a fix. Trust me..thats my bet

correct me if I said anything wrong. from my experience in IT business, with encryption, either it is being cracked, or not. there is nothing in between. the hard part is figure out how the encryption works. that is why a card dump is needed first, and that is why in WWII, U.S. Navy risked so much to get on board German U boats to get their code machine and code book. Once people figure out how it works, to make it perfectly working, only takes a small period of time to do it.

So, if what is said in this post is true, (they got audio and video, not just stable.) then, they cracked it already. So, why, this takes them so long so perfect it. I heard the same rumor weeks ago, so, they gotta been working on this over a month or two.

Besides, if they have a "PARTIAL" fix, why would they hold it secretly and watching VS sales keep going down? they are loosing millions, and a lot of the customers will not go back to the stand alone fix even coders released the bin file, since they paid for their IKS units already. If they HAVE a PARTIAL fix, they WILL release it right away and stop VS market share from shrinking.

So, they dont have a fix. Just hope something could prove me wrong in the next few weeks.

Thanks man, you deserve some rep points :thmbup::thmbup:::yes::thmbup::thmbup:

Very well said n3xtgen. Everbody need's to get a new topic to talk about in another section or maybe the Chit Chat section so we can talk about Superbrad's deer photo contest starting nex't month .:thmbup::clap::cheers:

No less than a year before we see a fix. Trust me..thats my betwhat are we betting and how do I collect??

As for a release of a PARTIAL fix, that would be worse than no fix at all.

Microsoft learned that when they released Windows Vista prematurely! Driver incompatibilities nearly sunk the mighty Microsoft's ship. It has taken them nearly two years to rebuild from that mistake, and Windows 7 is on the horizon.

If VS released an unstable bin, just to prove to the boneheads that it CAN be done is NOT what they want to do. They want to release a STABLE bin so they don't look like fools trying to get the first release out there. Their reputation as a leader would take too much of a hit.

We all want the same thing. SO does VS. Why can't we all be patient, take the news for what it is, and be civil about it?

Do whatever you want, IKS, Sub, or True FTA. It's all up to you. All the information you need to make an informed decision is right here on this site.

Thank you.

what are we betting and how do I collect??

Rep Points

Some people wonder why their posts get cut or threads get closed... To me, if you read Nokia's posts, dm's posts, sir's posts, and take out everything in between, you'll get a good idea of what Cyphris said, what it means, and what it doesn't mean.

This was an update from Cyphris to dispel some bad rumors and to give an update on progress. It was not a poll on when a fix will come out. If you think it's a marketing ploy from VS, you haven't been reading Cyphris's posts long enough; those of us who have know he's not a bullsh*t artist. He's always been reliable. Want proof? Read his posts leading up the VS bust last spring. He was telling us something good was about to happen, and as it turns out, if the deal had been real, he would have been right. But he was HONEST then, and there's no reason to disbelieve him now.

You can accuse some of us of being VS fanboys, but I'd rather believe in someone I've trusted for a long, long time than just crap on him without any knowledge to back you up.

And my god people, now we're talking about World War II encryptions? Wrong century, dudes.

Rep Points
How about some $$ or a receiver make it interesting??

Well said Tealhawke .

And my god people, now we're talking about World War II encryptions? Wrong century, dudes.

He was referring to the principles of encryption which have never changed. No insider info = no Decryption.

You're right n3xtgen because you are the man .:cheers::cheers::thmbup::thmbup:

sounds like a good update from cyphris,

i'm a cup full kinda guy so its good news to me. But wow, some people just dont get it though. but its fun to read all the silly posts.

People when are you gonna wake up and realize, that there will be NO FTA bin untillPLASTIC has a fix or work around or whatever you want to call it out first. FTA bins are created off PLASTIC after they have a stable PLASTIC solution up and running and tested. NOT UNTIL. So all this BS about FTA bins ready for release or close, is just that, BS. Until you see a PLASTIC Fix, you will see NO FTA fix.

Sorry pal, but hacking plastic was fundamental years back, not anymore.
Personally I believe FTA coders will get a fix for N3 long before someone will be able to write a blocker to any new rom. Plastic era it's unfortunately over, there is no room to write even a licence plate in it, or way to make enough space without compromising the card functionality. That's it.
Otherwise if you play 100% with 3rd party hardware you can modify it accordingly to your needs, if you know what I mean.

He was referring to the principles of encryption which have never changed. No insider info = no Decryption.

No, they won't change either... but why are we even going there in a thread about an update from Cyphris?

Just dangling the carrot . And we're the donkeys . B$V has been down for a year , so I'm not convinced anyone is working on a fix . Insider info and/or bribe required .

this actually sounds legit.....but it could be BS like the ones b4....

No, they won't change either... but why are we even going there in a thread about an update from Cyphris?

I never went there, the original poster did, and he brings up valid points using logic which are related to Cyphris' claims.

Ummmm another Cyphris update...... here's the deal... you either trust Cyphris due to the credibility he has earned over the years or you say he is trying to sell more boxes..... the bottom line is this..... no matter which side of this fence you sit on there is no need to argue or insult him or VS...... either the file comes out or it doesn't.... VS is not the only brand in the n3 boat..... but they ARE the only brand with a spokesman giving updates.....

I never went there, the original poster did, and he brings up valid points using logic which are related to Cyphris' claims.

I stand corrected then. Good to see logic being used.

Some people wonder why their posts get cut or threads get closed... To me, if you read Nokia's posts, dm's posts, sir's posts, and take out everything in between, you'll get a good idea of what Cyphris said, what it means, and what it doesn't mean.

This was an update from Cyphris to dispel some bad rumors and to give an update on progress. It was not a poll on when a fix will come out. If you think it's a marketing ploy from VS, you haven't been reading Cyphris's posts long enough; those of us who have know he's not a bullsh*t artist. He's always been reliable. Want proof? Read his posts leading up the VS bust last spring. He was telling us something good was about to happen, and as it turns out, if the deal had been real, he would have been right. But he was HONEST then, and there's no reason to disbelieve him now.

You can accuse some of us of being VS fanboys, but I'd rather believe in someone I've trusted for a long, long time than just crap on him without any knowledge to back you up.

And my god people, now we're talking about World War II encryptions? Wrong century, dudes.
You and I share the same sentiment here, I smell a bunch of haters. Word-wasters! Now your biting the hand that fed you...SHAME!

Sounds like more sugarcoating to me. I highly doubt VS is any further in the pursuit of N3 then any other STB. Ten more pages of never ending CRAP.

I have been expecting you Superbrad and you are exactly right on all of above amen .I am sitting on the viewsat side of the fence because trust and faith goes along way's .I have been with them to long and they have been loyal to all of us but the problem is that most people's memorie's or very short .

People need to be more "what have you done for me"...and less "what are you doing for me now"

I am hearing the same kinda stuff

trust/faith/loyalty vs logic/science

sorta sounds like religion vs atheism

Kinda interesting.

I am hearing the same kinda stuff

trust/faith/loyalty vs logic/science

sorta sounds like religion vs atheism

Kinda interesting.

I think trust and loyalty have zip to do with it..... JMO..... like I said, they are the ONLY brand with a spokesperson saying anything...... I don't see people bashing pansat for not giving updates..... people bash VS because they have a spokesperson apparently..... they ***** when there are updates and call them BS... then the same folks ***** when there are no updates....

As for science and coding... well... they paid to get insider info.... we know that..... so let's try and have some faith in science....

Very well said n3xtgen but i can tell you i am not crying or complaining about any of this and beside's this give's me time to chat to alot of good people on this site .

Amen Brad no bad talk on the other brand's and i can't figure that out .Im going to drink another beer and think on this a minute .

Here you go guys real from cyphris not a fake. thread closed