I'm posting this in the rumors section because I haven't seen any confirmation from Viewsat. maybe the best way to have a standalone fix. this box could well be the one that sup. check it out http://magazine.tele-satellite.com/eng/TELE-satellite-0911/pageflip.html page 29

Well, zoom doesn't work well enough for me to read anything... but I don't see it (literally)
This would be difficult since the court problems have....... Well, time will tell- thanks

page 29 on the link provided has nothing about a VS receiver. The link must be dead.

i think that is for a boat dish:o nothing to do wit fta

ya i can read it with zoom....
nothing to do with fta or VS

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr142/A_Z_A/VS-MAX-HD.jpg

That ad you mention, may be talking about the VS HD9000 (Which has been around for awhile in North America, as has the VS MaxHD. I zeroed in on the part that mentioned 'Duel Tuner HD COMING SOON'.

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr142/A_Z_A/HD9000.jpg

Page 18

I think he meant Page 19 not 29. Bottom Right hand corner says "Dual Tuner HD Coming Soon" above a HD 9000 box.

also Interesting article on VS on page 66-73 and Page 116-117 Showing every satellite in orbit.

the only thing i saw was on page 19 . and i could be wrong but thats not new its a 9000 ...

ok found it page 29..the nannoxx 9500...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_euzeGQEE4

I think the dual tuner rumor was viewsat reason why to stop production of the 9k PERIOD

the maxHD was a SV design just not released by them for the 8k would be it's only competition. SV didn't want to release a new cheaper HD to compete against it's best selling HD unit..

The rest after that was a small war between bobby and jon

I can't tell you what may happen to Jon but from what I hear he plans on taking a plea bargain soon so it wouldn't be a good thing for viewtech to release a N3 file or anything at this time

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This is why i love the rumor section, never a daul moment

Richmiami, so what you are saying is that Viewsat has a fix already?

Richmiami, so what you are saying is that Viewsat has a fix already?

were does he say there is a fix for n3 he does not say that.he just says that if there was one it would be a good time to drop it

Richmiami, so what you are saying is that Viewsat has a fix already?

Might want to read his post again. He says nothing about viewsat having a fix. :coffee:

Okay, I hear what you guys are sayin. Think I've had too much Cognac to drink tonight. Time for bed.

Back on topic: It seems the cover of this magazine has a date of Oct-Nov 2009, so it should come out soon - why would they advertise it and not come out with it?

Back on topic: It seems the cover of this magazine has a date of Oct-Nov 2009, so it should come out soon - why would they advertise it and not come out with it?

True FTA is the only reason.... could be they are sitting on a warehouse of those things, have no fix and have to liquify assets to pay a large court ordered settlement. LOL

the VS HD Dual Tuner PVR was planned for release in june july this year ...

but the N3 bomb forced a hold on that ...

who knows ...they might do a come back...:cool:

Makes sense... "dual tuner" is the hot words to use and own now-a-days.

the VS HD Dual Tuner PVR was planned for release in june july this year ...

but the N3 bomb forced a hold on that ...

who knows ...they might do a come back...:cool:

You don't spend money to advertise if you were not expecting a come back. I have faith.

You don't spend money to advertise if you were not expecting a come back. I have faith.my favorite quote " who knows :shifty:"

;)

and this 1 is from beetlejuice, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9nkyHg-i_Q

and this 1 is from beetlejuice, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9nkyHg-i_Qtoshiba, just don't say beetlejuice three times.

You don't spend money to advertise if you were not expecting a come back. I have faith.

adds are paid for months in advance so they probably paid for this back in march or april before n3 hit. the 9000hd is not new but their second tuner never worked or never had the software to work so maybe it is a re-release of the 9000hd with both tuners this time. could also have been a mistake and an old add was put in. who knows. maybe it is to get rid stock of 9000's sitting around as mentioned earlier. i don't think they would advertise because a n3 fix is ready to come out. that would not be smart because of all the legal mess they are in and vs and 3rd party coders are not suppose to have ties. jmo.

i went ti picup a dish for galaxy 19 to instolit
for one of my friends the owner told me that vewsat and pansat are getting a new reicvers to the market soon

......n if so true I hope it will the break we vs owners r looking for.
Well ,time will tell.

......n if so true I hope it will the break we vs owners r looking for.
Well ,time will tell.
cross ur toes :shifty:

Kwak is brilliant
by placing ads and selling Max HD unit at the door step and during the N3 proving that his Units were not for stealing satellite signals because there is

No Signal that the units can steal.

Seems to me like he is going for the Insanity Defense.

The insanity defenses are possible defenses by excuse, an affirmative defense by which defendants argue that they should not be held criminally liable for breaking the law, as they were legally insane at the time of the commission of alleged crimes.

Its true your Honor making all that money just made me Crazy!:yes:

Go Kwak Go;(

how can viewsat, release a new reciver, when they dont even, have a fix ??, I Smell, A Crab Patty Here !!

There was once a third company that provided programming via satellite and I don't mean Primestar. No one really supported them, boy I bet alot of people wished they were around today to break up this heavy handed crap going on and give some real competition to the big two.

Good read! I seen that the magazine issue was dated 10/09. In the article it also mentioned a release in a few months. The dual hd receiver should be a hit as soon as it hits the market! Remember what everyone did when N3 hit?? Relese the product..then the file!! That's the way it usually works.

how can viewsat, release a new reciver, when they dont even, have a fix ??, I Smell, A Crab Patty Here !!

You hit it on the button. Seems like every two weeks or so VS is coming out with something and eventually nothing comes of it. Crab patty all the way in my opinion to. But then you never know. It may happen.

how can viewsat, release a new reciver, when they dont even, have a fix ??, I Smell, A Crab Patty Here !!

My kids are in to SpongeBob and I thought you were talking about a Krabby Patty :lol:

But seriously, I think this product is vapor-ware. As someone pointed out earlier, advertising dollars are spent well in advance of print time. The monkey wrench was thrown into Viewsat's plans AFTER this ad was paid for and therefore we may never actually see it.

...At least not from ViewsatUSA. Maybe another distributor will emerge?

Whether viewsat puts out a new receiver or not,the bottom line is there will be no bin fix for n3. People ,all the resources that were used for n2 are dismantled.A new approach is emerging as the way to go .Now ,stb's without iks capability are toast.Maybe a year or so down the road a disgruntled dik employee could provide coders with the necessary info.if coders are still working on it.
The next step for dik is to find and shutdown the iks servers ,rather than try and find all the individual users.
Now that's reality ,and all this bull**** of an impending fix and who's going to be first or new improved receivers are a marketing ploy to get rid of stock .Wake up and smell the toast.

Yes Advertising is paid for well in advance but not more than about 6 months.. and N3 has been on BEV since december and it was known all along that DN was in the process of converting over..so I don't believe this threw all that big of a wrench into the plans as they were aware of N3 at the time of purchasing their ad space..

Whether viewsat puts out a new receiver or not,the bottom line is there will be no bin fix for n3. People ,all the resources that were used for n2 are dismantled.A new approach is emerging as the way to go .Now ,stb's without iks capability are toast.Maybe a year or so down the road a disgruntled dik employee could provide coders with the necessary info.if coders are still working on it.

The next step for dik is to find and shutdown the iks servers ,rather than try and find all the individual users.

Now that's reality ,and all this bull**** of an impending fix and who's going to be first or new improved receivers are a marketing ploy to get rid of stock .Wake up and smell the toast.


You really think that some dish grunt is going 2 have security access 2 Nagravision Firmware?

for one this add was most likely bought with vs well aware that dn was implementing nag 3 they aren't stupid ... and 2 it was placed in a magazine that is most likely read by hard core testers not freetver's . freetver's don't pay for sub's ...lol what makes you think they are goin to subscribe to a magazine ??? lol sure the real reason these boxes are sold is for the 3rd party but there are many true fta people out there and it seems like a pretty good defense to advertise your product even without the 3rd party software out ...

p.s there is no disgruntled d**h employee that has nag 3 info ...it would have to be a nag employee ...dish doesnt control encrypting that what they have nag for

Good read! I seen that the magazine issue was dated 10/09. In the article it also mentioned a release in a few months. The dual hd receiver should be a hit as soon as it hits the market! Remember what everyone did when N3 hit?? Relese the product..then the file!! That's the way it usually works.

Yes Advertising is paid for well in advance but not more than about 6 months.. and N3 has been on BEV since december and it was known all along that DN was in the process of converting over..so I don't believe this threw all that big of a wrench into the plans as they were aware of N3 at the time of purchasing their ad space..

My thoughts exactly, N3 was no secret well before the switch. Have they been advertising anywhere else recently? Any other magazine/media?

I believe those legal matters don't mean much since Kwak doesn't know who these coders are...:shifty: So these new receivers would be great for true FTA, and would be great revenue for the company during these costly times... and the coders having something (hopefully) in their back pocket sure helps too. :yes:

Yes Advertising is paid for well in advance but not more than about 6 months.. and N3 has been on BEV since december and it was known all along that DN was in the process of converting over..so I don't believe this threw all that big of a wrench into the plans as they were aware of N3 at the time of purchasing their ad space..

for one this add was most likely bought with vs well aware that dn was implementing nag 3 they aren't stupid ... and 2 it was placed in a magazine that is most likely read by hard core testers not freetver's . freetver's don't pay for sub's ...lol what makes you think they are goin to subscribe to a magazine ??? lol sure the real reason these boxes are sold is for the 3rd party but there are many true fta people out there and it seems like a pretty good defense to advertise your product even without the 3rd party software out ...

p.s there is no disgruntled d**h employee that has nag 3 info ...it would have to be a nag employee ...dish doesnt control encrypting that what they have nag for

My thoughts exactly, N3 was no secret well before the switch. Have they been advertising anywhere else recently? Any other magazine/media?

I believe those legal matters don't mean much since Kwak doesn't know who these coders are...:shifty: So these new receivers would be great for true FTA, and would be great revenue for the company during these costly times... and the coders having something (hopefully) in their back pocket sure helps too. :yes:

yes obviously they bought these adds knowing about n3 but i'm sure they also thought they would have a fix fairly quick and were not worried about n3 at the time. also you guys are talking about true fta'ers and this add. come on, get real. tell me how many HD true fta channels are there in NA? a hand full? not enough to warrent a dual tuner hd stb thats about $400+. think about it!
perhaps this add is out there to aid in kwaks defense! no fix out there and he's still pushing his "true fta" product.

Even if this receiver does come out on the market with no N3 fix... Could it be used for true FTA.

Even if this receiver does come out on the market with no N3 fix... Could it be used for true FTA.

yes it can be used for true fta. it can pick up the sd channels but its a hd stb and there is only a handfull of true fta channels out there in NA

Lots of folks are very faithful to vs n many other brands and will remain so,
they who do will not b surprised or b ashamed when the fix finally
comes.I am still confident all my 4 brands will see a fix soon and even
if not soon I'll still b waiting.

I'm not a lawyer, but using advertisment as a defense is really WEAK because it is already known these boxes are meant for true FTA only. It's almost equivilant to advertising the boxes saying they can make waffles, no judge will change their mind because "Oh, well it's advertised for that, so I must believe it."

I do agree they probably thought the fix would happen quicker, so maybe it was just a gamble to advertise early.

I'm not a lawyer, but using advertisment as a defense is really WEAK because it is already known these boxes are meant for true FTA only. It's almost equivilant to advertising the boxes saying they can make waffles,

thats is not equivilant at all. you cannot use 3rd party s/w to make waffles. you can howere use a stb for true fta which it was "made" for and load the software to get free encrypted tv.

also i'm not saying it would be his only defense. all i'm saying is he is fighting in court to prove he has no connections to 3rd party s/w and sell them just for true fta. so it makes vs look better when they are advertising a new stb even when it is known there is no public fix for n3.

I wish mine made waffles. Then I'd set it back up and eat waffles while I watched cable.

thats is not equivilant at all. you cannot use 3rd party s/w to make waffles. you can howere use a stb for true fta which it was "made" for and load the software to get free encrypted tv.

You're a little bit off of what I meant. What I mean is that it would not make a difference in court, it is irrelevent what and how they advertise - it is too weak to no defense. If it was used remotely as a defense, why not just go all out and say on the ad: "We have no connections with third party software makers.", lol, at least that'd be more obvious, since yeah... they are not questioning the use of the box/software, they ARE questioning the connections with the third-party software makers. So wether it says "makes waffles", "walks dogs", and/or "flux compassitor included" - the use of the box is not in question. So I'm concluding that this advertisment has nothing to do with the court defense, big or small. Judges don't care, and lawyers know that - so they would not spend money to advertise for a defensive front, big or small, especially if funds are slow and/or low. Maybe now they are just hoping that True FTA users will help with the sales to move these boxes, since (a) they possibly gambled on a N3 fix a bit too early or (b) they are REALLY confident now. They did pay for a one page ad long ago (as we are all agreeing on), doesn't mean it had to be that EXACT ad 6 months ago, ads could be changed anytime before it prints.

I wish mine made waffles. Then I'd set it back up and eat waffles while I watched cable.

I had to change my avatar, lol.

Have they been advertising anywhere else recently? Any other magazine/media?

This wasn't a rhetoical question, does anybody know? About the same thing like this ad?

You really think that some dish grunt is going 2 have security access 2 Nagravision Firmware?

bwanajuju,this was an illustration cause everyone knows dik,I agree that the nagravision group are the one's who generate and administer the nag3 encryption.My point was that the freetvers and various others are dreaming that a nag3 fix is weeks or months away.At present and for some time iks is the only available door,that's reality.Also,with that reality comes with dik pursuing the iks servers to close all doors for pirated tv.
If you disagree with that then I believe your being far too optimistic.FTA is not dead just delayed for an indeterminate period of time.

tell me how many HD true fta channels are there in NA? a hand full? not enough to warrent a dual tuner hd stb thats about $400+. think about it!

If you flipped through the rest of the magazine it is a world-wide magazine, a lot of FTA's we have not seen this side of the pond so HD FTA is not as ludicrous as it sounds. Take a look at the two page spread on all the FTA satellites that are hanging above our heads right now :)

also i'm not saying it would be his only defense. all i'm saying is he is fighting in court to prove he has no connections to 3rd party s/w and sell them just for true fta. so it makes vs look better when they are advertising a new stb even when it is known there is no public fix for n3.



Excellent point! :yes:

If you ask me, VS is like a wounded Lion and is trying to do anything to stay up on top but as much as i heat saying this, "It's GAME OVER" for them:(:(
It's too bad because i always loved my VS receivers.

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don't forget .... Satellites are all over the globe...

so its not just North America that has sats and channels...

a quick look at lyngsat.com shows you the huge no. of sats out there...

so as mentioned...this magazine is international...and VS is international... just like NOKIA :D

and to assume that KWAK placed that ad ... is an overstatement...

Kwak did not place that ad.

Viewsat International did.

Kwak is nothing but a distributor. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Viewsat is NOT engaged in ANY legal issues with Dish Network. Kwak and his distribution company named ViewTECH is.

Viewsat as a company is solid. This advertisement shows they are really not affected by what's happening to Kwak, other than they do not have a US distributor.

Just remember who is in the hot seat right now. And it's NOT Viewsat, Incorporated.

Hope that helps clear this up a bit....

i agree thatt its not viewsat thats on trial its viewtech but you say it was viewsat international that did the add right? then why does the add have the number for viewsat usa? just a thought.

My guess is that it's a co-op advertisement. Viewsat as well as other companies collect dollars to spread around in different advertising mediums. This advertisement happens to have ViewsatUSA in it, and probably a mistake....

This is my speculation, so take it as such.

Thank you.

or may be the "new fix" that people claims is on the works might only work with the new IRD. Smart business planning ???

they released it..... it doesn't work.... except for fta...... has zip to do with n3 encryption

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Jung kwak is the CEO Owner,Viewtech Inc Oceanside, ca US open in may 1 2004

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Jung kwak is the CEO Owner,Viewtech Inc Oceanside, ca US open in may 1 2004

ummmmm...ok....thanks

he is all so known as mr viewsat for a reason

he is also known as 91110556432...... that was the number on his prison uniform

when ever I see superbrad responed .... I read what he has to say as I think about ponch saying it lol everytme it make me laugh ..... thanks brad:clap:

why is this still in the rumors section....they have already released the dual pvr box....just saw it......

lol.... thanks.... just bringing levity....... the truth comes out with the bin..... bottom line.. and the vs 9k has been out for ages

he is also known as 91110556432...... that was the number on his prison uniform

brad are you sure the number was not PFTAUSW-090501U:gossip:

nope... he had no hand in that....lmao... just ask him

he is all so known as mr viewsat for a reason

and you r who, mr freesat .org,how bout mr.charlie.org, join date aug 2009, prob a rat for charles
::evil:

yep sure am stupid charles sent me becouse i joined this year dumb dumb. what is your ip address so we know who you are

Wholly Crap... Has this thread gone off topic... If and I mean if a dual tuner receiver is released, there is a possibility that they might be preparing for S.K.S (Satellite Kard Share). If there is no possible way for a standalone fix, this would be the next best thing. Card share info would be broadcast over a satellite. A satellite dish pointed at a specifc bird and hooked to the second tuners satellite input and off you go. The first tuner would get you everything IKS is offering now, without the risk. The card share data flows one way and no trail leading back to the Tester. This is the one solution I would sign up for, if standalone is a no go. Patiently waiting to see the outcome.

I think I'll stick with my SV 360 Premier PVR.....I am able to capture Telefonica on Amazonas 61 W:).....154 channels:) & alot of them are in english with spanish sub titles .....Like HBO, ESPN, Movie Channel etc.etc. :)Besides what OTHER benefits do you get besides being a able to record on one tuner & watch another channel on 2nd tuner........& PAY ALOT MORE FOR THIS STB!!
Sorry but I think I'll PASS ON THIS ONE!!:confused:

Viewsat 7000 Standard Definition USB 2.0 DUAL TUNER PVR FTA Satellite Receiver

Design & Features Review

The highly-anticipated Viewsat 7000 Dual Tuner PVR's is a sleek and versatile FTA satellite receiver. Its dual tuner architecture allows you to watch one channel while recording another. You can even record two different programs simultaneously, and schedule your favorite shows for automatic recording.



The Viewsat 7000's front panel sports a handy USB 2.0 port for quick and easy interfacing with your personal computer, flash drive or multimedia device. The 7000's also comes with Card Reader (X Crypt Conditional Access System) built into that handy front panel.

One of the Viewsat 7000 Dual Tuner PVR's differentiating attributes is its built-in MP3 player and Photo Viewer. Another unique feature is the 7000's ability to accommodate a user-installable internal hard drive. You can install any standard ATA or Ultra ATA 3.5" IDE hard drive through the Viewsat 7000's handy front access panel. And the Viewsat 7000 is compatible with hard drives up to 2000 GB. This is a receiver with massive multimedia storage potential.

Sporting 16MB of SDRAM, the 7000 offers more memory capacity than many Free-To-Air receivers. Its onboard SDRAM, coupled with a 160 MHz internal processor makes the Viewsat 7000 PVR an overall fast and easy receiver to use.

Other features include blind scan, support for both C and Ku bands and a programmable 8,000-channel (TV and radio) capacity. The 7000 also features component outputs for superior picture quality.

The Viewsat 7000 PVR outperforms the Viewsat VS Pro, Viewsat Ultra, Viewsat Ultra Lite, Viewsat Extreme, Viewsat Platinum and Viewsat Lite.

What's In The Box: The Viewsat 7000 PVR ships with a Diseqc 2.0 Switch, a null modem cable, RCA cables, component cables, universal remote, and (2) AAA batteries, Viewsat 7000 PVR User Manual.


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That's sounds awsome, but without a N3 crack, what are supposed to record.

These units can be used in other parts of the world as legit sub receivers and FTA.. North and South America are not the only markets for sat. tv......

That's dual tuner idea is probably right...use it for "IKS" type of system with one way data sharing. However, there a several dual tuner receivers already on the market. Why not use them? Maybe the HD dual tuner receiver is necessary if everything goes HD/mpeg 4.

Viewsat 7000 Standard Definition USB 2.0 DUAL TUNER PVR FTA Satellite Receiver



the title says "HD" and you are describing an "SD" stb. this is not a new hd stb!

Viewsat 7000 Standard Definition USB 2.0 DUAL TUNER PVR FTA Satellite Receiver

Design & Features Review

The highly-anticipated Viewsat 7000 Dual Tuner PVR's is a sleek and versatile FTA satellite receiver. Its dual tuner architecture allows you to watch one channel while recording another. You can even record two different programs simultaneously, and schedule your favorite shows for automatic recording.



The Viewsat 7000's front panel sports a handy USB 2.0 port for quick and easy interfacing with your personal computer, flash drive or multimedia device. The 7000's also comes with Card Reader (X Crypt Conditional Access System) built into that handy front panel.

One of the Viewsat 7000 Dual Tuner PVR's differentiating attributes is its built-in MP3 player and Photo Viewer. Another unique feature is the 7000's ability to accommodate a user-installable internal hard drive. You can install any standard ATA or Ultra ATA 3.5" IDE hard drive through the Viewsat 7000's handy front access panel. And the Viewsat 7000 is compatible with hard drives up to 2000 GB. This is a receiver with massive multimedia storage potential.

Sporting 16MB of SDRAM, the 7000 offers more memory capacity than many Free-To-Air receivers. Its onboard SDRAM, coupled with a 160 MHz internal processor makes the Viewsat 7000 PVR an overall fast and easy receiver to use.

Other features include blind scan, support for both C and Ku bands and a programmable 8,000-channel (TV and radio) capacity. The 7000 also features component outputs for superior picture quality.

The Viewsat 7000 PVR outperforms the Viewsat VS Pro, Viewsat Ultra, Viewsat Ultra Lite, Viewsat Extreme, Viewsat Platinum and Viewsat Lite.

What's In The Box: The Viewsat 7000 PVR ships with a Diseqc 2.0 Switch, a null modem cable, RCA cables, component cables, universal remote, and (2) AAA batteries, Viewsat 7000 PVR User Manual.


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I find it interesting, they are concentrating on more powerful units now, as time goes on, I believe and n3 hack will come, but I also Believe in order to have smooth channel surfing and picture, we would need units with more memory to handle all the algorithms the g3 card does.

How Much....Is the QUESTION>>>>>>:o

I find it interesting, they are concentrating on more powerful units now, as time goes on, I believe and n3 hack will come, but I also Believe in order to have smooth channel surfing and picture, we would need units with more memory to handle all the algorithms the g3 card does.

I disagree there...... these sub boxes are weak.... and the providers are not upgrading them...... hell i still have a bev 3100 and it runs like a deere...... that being said... nothing wrong with stronger better faster......

I dont whether this rumor or it true.. just curious, why are they releasing HD Dual Tunner for what True FTA!!.. while no N3 Stand alone bin yet. So my oppion it's useless unless until N3 stand alone bin avaliable.

A Great many folks would like a HD and dual tuner unit, myself included. N3 standalone bin would be nice but tv today is all about HD because that is the future even if its for true fta. This game isn't over by a long shot... So if you want a hd unit, now is a good time to get one... Actually you should have several different units for the tv viewing that you want.

well i bought a vs 9000hd a month ago for $140 with the 8psk module. used of course but it was a risk i was willing to take. prices are really good now if your willing.