I heard that Dik & Bev are going to use the same system that Direct tv is using,so makes it hard to crack it ,did any body else heard anything?

I don't think this is possible, it is a totaly different technology and they would have to replace all the sub's STB's for this to work. Probably way too expensive, and that technology is owned and protected by Motorola who owns SC and Direct TV. :thmbup:

I don't think this is possible, it is a totaly different technology and they would have to replace all the sub's STB's for this to work. Probably way too expensive, and that technology is owned and protected by Motorola who owns SC and Direct TV. :thmbup:

Well said well spoken Sir!!! at least:clap: someone in here has brains :-)

SS

I don't think this is possible, it is a totaly different technology and they would have to replace all the sub's STB's for this to work. Probably way too expensive, and that technology is owned and protected by Motorola who owns SC and Direct TV. :thmbup:


EXACTLY ! It is totally a different system, and besides replacing all STBs, they will have to lunch NEW BIRDS also to make it work. In other words, is impossible to do at this point! :worship:

There was talk that NDS was behind some of the latest ECM's from DN tho.And if they contract NDS it would mean a card swap but then all sorts of havoc would result.
Yeah it would take time but still.

nagra lost billions the last quarter
so they have to do updates so they wont lose contracts in US and Europe
its all money related the last ecms
but dont get dave involved had nothing to do here

hello friends,

what our friend, neutron, is stating has, is and always be the driving force behind charlie and bev. it is alway about $$$$.

they know we have some and they want it all.

happy holidays

I don't think this is possible, it is a totaly different technology and they would have to replace all the sub's STB's for this to work. Probably way too expensive, and that technology is owned and protected by Motorola who owns SC and Direct TV. :thmbup:

The IRD's are basically an MPEG decoder, and that is about it. The cards are what does all the decryption. I see no reason why the Dish boxes could not change their encrytion scheme and release new cards for said chnge. Oh wait, they already did this when they moved to N2, and will do it again when they moe to N3. I see no reason why they couldn't use the same IRD's with the encryption that DTV uses(VideoGuard).

The only reason Videoguard has not been cracked yet is "no major reason to do it yet".
when it's time to do it, It will be done.
Anything made by humans can be broke by humans.
Just a matter of necessity, necessity is the mother of invention.
when we need to we'll crack it.
Then if they all use the same tech we can have it all. Nice...:P

You know when we had the big dish we could buy only the channels we wanted at a fair
price with no commercials. Now pay for only packages and commercials up the ass. Chucky and the other providers need to lose it all!!

Happy New Year All!!!

You know when we had the big dish we could buy only the channels we wanted at a fair
price with no commercials. Now pay for only packages and commercials up the ass. Chucky and the other providers need to lose it all!!

Happy New Year All!!!


Well said .... I don't mind paying for commercial free channels .. but when they force you to get channels (that they are only re-sending with shit commercials) with bundles that you will never watch but have to pay for .... screw them !!!!
I have a sub but out of the channels we watch maybe 30 % the other I am forced to pay for in order to get the ones I want ...... did I already say .. scew them !!! :censored:

The only reason Videoguard has not been cracked yet is "no major reason to do it yet".
when it's time to do it, It will be done.
Anything made by humans can be broke by humans.
Just a matter of necessity, necessity is the mother of invention.
when we need to we'll crack it.
Then if they all use the same tech we can have it all. Nice...:P

well I dont know If you all remember! Dave implimented his In house card swap with the D1 and the P4 an P5 cards Which PUBLICLY you cant get the Hack for it !
BUT trust that it WAS hacked SOON after its release! as the man above states! If Man made it! Man CAN crack it! and No matter what the masses say! These hacks or rather circumvention of signals WILL continue for MANY MANY years!

The only reason Videoguard has not been cracked yet is "no major reason to do it yet".
when it's time to do it, It will be done.
Anything made by humans can be broke by humans.
Just a matter of necessity, necessity is the mother of invention.
when we need to we'll crack it.
Then if they all use the same tech we can have it all. Nice...:P

VERY WELL SAID!!!:worship: If they all have the same tech, then we will crack it... and have it all! Even better for FTA users:clap:
Let's hope that will be the case, just imagine getting D!SH, B3V, & DTV, all for free!:evil:

Marson2,
You hit it right on the money for it's all about the damn money. I do not like paying for a commercialized TV channel but you are now forced to what happened to our Congress or Parliament what happened to Freedom? Money is the answer it's all about money and the providers are awash with it.... They rep what they sow!

"The driving force behind my purchase and installation of FTA-VS-2000 U " :

1: Rabbit ears where pissing me off!
2: Why should I pay to view non stop commercials and scams? I REFUSE
3: A chance to say **** you to corporate america!
4: ****ING OVER CORPORATIONS WITH ONE GOAL-PROFIT FOR SHAREHOLDERS. THESE CORPORATIONS HAVE NO CARE NOR CONCERN OF WHAT ADS THEY RUN!! HOW MANY CREDIT BULLSHIT SCAMS DO THEY ADVERTISE? HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE LOST EVERYTHING AFTER THEY PAID TO VIEW ADVERTISEMENTS WHICH HAVE PURPOSELY TARGETED THOSE WHO CAN LEAST AFFORD IT? NO CREDIT? BAD CREDIT? BEND OVER ****ER!


Who to Blame?

1: POLITICIANS
2: LOBBYISTS
3: EVIL CORPORATIONS


K*ll EM ALL let ALLAH sort it out!


Thanks to all the coders for their extraordinary work! Keep it up!

The IRD's are basically an MPEG decoder, and that is about it. The cards are what does all the decryption. ... I see no reason why they couldn't use the same IRD's with the encryption that DTV uses(VideoGuard).

The video is basically doubly encrypted so just swapping cards wouldn't work. First off, as best as I can tell, N2 (dish) encrypts the program steams and not the entire transport stream. This means that dish can have FTA's and pay channels on the same TP. With DTV, they scramble the entire transport stream so you get all or nothing descrambled on that TP. Now the DTV box might not let you watch all of those channels on the TP, but the box IS descrambling them.

By double encrypted I mean that the decryption takes place in two steps. First, the sub boxes need the key to decode the video. These keys are encrypted and sent in the stream. They are just a big number. That number gets fed into the card and the card outputs another big number. The number from the card is what is used to decrypt the transport stream (DTV) or program stream (Dish).

To make a dish box work with videoguard type encoding would require the boxes to be reflashed just like FTA boxes are flashed now. If the box can be reflashed via the stream, then dish doesn't have to do much at all. For older boxes that cannot be flashed via the stream, they will have to be sent back for jtagging or simply replaced.

So there is no technical reason why dish can't use videoguard. However, it would be costly for dish and would not provide any increase in security. As was already mentioned, the ONLY reason the FTA boxes don't get DTV is because there is no reason to and not because it can't be done.

Not only that, but if dish did do all of that and make such a costly change, most FTA boxes can be reflashed to work with videoguard very easily. Dish knows that and isn't about to waste their time and money doing such things.

The only reason Videoguard has not been cracked yet is "no major reason to do it yet".
when it's time to do it, It will be done.
Anything made by humans can be broke by humans.
Just a matter of necessity, necessity is the mother of invention.
when we need to we'll crack it.
Then if they all use the same tech we can have it all. Nice...:P

well said, I agree in full

Make it idiot prood, and someone will make a better idiot! LOL