Not sure how many peps this will reach,, cause I could not post in the props I wanted due to # of post.

I have watched this hobby from a past,, I was there with Canbert and friends when the rom2 was found,, was there with Tollio and Assay, Grundy, Safta were teaching about the rom3 dump,,,, learnt from Stunguy and all the crew,,,the romX team for the 102,,,,even lent a hand in the atmeg project with Omaga for the PCB design,,,,beta alot of software,, helped lots,,,was a coder,,, still am a coder,,,NERVER A WINER,,,,,


To all the FTA peps out there remember this,,,,the TV you watch is from the efforts of the pioneers, the ones that stuck it out and the new comers that learnt from the great ones.

Guys like me gave it up because of the demanding and wining, the game will get tougher , the coders will get deeper, and you will be where I was many years back,, on your own,, learning from those who are willing to teach when they find a worthy student of ability and honor is the best way to go.

MY ADVICE TO YOU,,,,,,SHUT THE **** UP

Get what ya get if you do not want to take the time to be a student or a teacher.


DragontcC

Well said Dragon, sooner or later the whiner's will get the point and realize that *****ing doesn't do any good. If they want it better, they should get in the game and help like so many other of us have done over the years!

Not sure how many peps this will reach,, cause I could not post in the props I wanted due to # of post.

I have watched this hobby from a past,, I was there with Canbert and friends when the rom2 was found,, was there with Tollio and Assay, Grundy, Safta were teaching about the rom3 dump,,,, learnt from Stunguy and all the crew,,,the romX team for the 102,,,,even lent a hand in the atmeg project with Omaga for the PCB design,,,,beta alot of software,, helped lots,,,was a coder,,, still am a coder,,,NERVER A WINER,,,,,


To all the FTA peps out there remember this,,,,the TV you watch is from the efforts of the pioneers, the ones that stuck it out and the new comers that learnt from the great ones.

Guys like me gave it up because of the demanding and wining, the game will get tougher , the coders will get deeper, and you will be where I was many years back,, on your own,, learning from those who are willing to teach when they find a worthy student of ability and honor is the best way to go.

MY ADVICE TO YOU,,,,,,SHUT THE **** UP

Get what ya get if you do not want to take the time to be a student or a teacher.


DragontcC

You certainly have a HIGH opinion of yourself................the real quality people on here just keep quiet and enjoy the hobby. And I believe they keep their profanity to themselves.

If only the information was widely available... it would be much easier. And besides were not all cut out for programming.

Not sure how many peps this will reach,, cause I could not post in the props I wanted due to # of post.

I have watched this hobby from a past,, I was there with Canbert and friends when the rom2 was found,, was there with Tollio and Assay, Grundy, Safta were teaching about the rom3 dump,,,, learnt from Stunguy and all the crew,,,the romX team for the 102,,,,even lent a hand in the atmeg project with Omaga for the PCB design,,,,beta alot of software,, helped lots,,,was a coder,,, still am a coder,,,NERVER A WINER,,,,,


To all the FTA peps out there remember this,,,,the TV you watch is from the efforts of the pioneers, the ones that stuck it out and the new comers that learnt from the great ones.

Guys like me gave it up because of the demanding and wining, the game will get tougher , the coders will get deeper, and you will be where I was many years back,, on your own,, learning from those who are willing to teach when they find a worthy student of ability and honor is the best way to go.

MY ADVICE TO YOU,,,,,,SHUT THE **** UP

Get what ya get if you do not want to take the time to be a student or a teacher.


DragontcC
Dear Dragon,
Whoa! calm down dude - not everyone is a contributor to "FREE TV", some of us are consumers and consumers have a right (even if it is unearned) to be pain-in-the-you know-where. As another member said, make the information public, let each individual decide how they want to get their share of "FREE TV." I, for one, will definitely write my own code, if I knew what is involved and what hardware and software I need to begin with.
Anyway, how about letting us "ignorant, dont appreciate what we have" bunch in on what the latest ECM is about? That would be a good first step towards educating us towards helping ourselves so that we MAY (may being the operating word), stop whining and may be even shut up?
Dishman

I think you have a point Dragon but not all of us have the time to put into this. I for one would like to look into helping out but I know that there are better coders out there than me. But as a question in the same line. What software do I use to even start looking at the code of a bin file? Maybe if we new that we could start on our own.

P.s Thanks coders for the time and effort you put in.

You certainly have a HIGH opinion of yourself................the real quality people on here just keep quiet and enjoy the hobby. And I believe they keep their profanity to themselves.


VERY WELL SAID!:worship: Pretty strong words for only his second post!:thmbdn:

I think you're the one that needs to stay the heck out... rookie! :mad:

I think you have a point Dragon but not all of us have the time to put into this. I for one would like to look into helping out but I know that there are better coders out there than me. But as a question in the same line. What software do I use to even start looking at the code of a bin file? Maybe if we new that we could start on our own.

P.s Thanks coders for the time and effort you put in.

I too used to help out with coding when we still had an HU stream. We knew what processor we were working with and what programs to use to read the code and mod it. We have no info on this with FTA. If we have more info along these lines we may be able to do more and maybe even find odds and ends that the coders are missing. The coders we have are GREAT. Everyone can get greater. I for another would be willing to help with the limited time I do have but need alot more info for a starting point since I don't have time to find that point.

Have Read Many, Many Coments On This Site. I Have To Say Of All Coments Made, This One Realyy Is Worthless!!!!!!!

It Seems This Guys Looks At His Mirror Quite Often And Smiles At Himself!!!!!

Reading the comments I find some harsh and some with merit. I myself have been around since the old C-band days played with cards and etmega but find the FTA the most reliable so maybe we should give the coders there do and back off. But if the day comes when the heat is to much for them I hope they dump there files and info on coding on the open internet would serve dave and Bev right if they had hundreds of thousands spreading files instead of the maybe hundred or so coders, watcha think????

I'm sure that if the "Sky Actually Falls" that would happen ... they are great for fixing and sending. If it fell I'm sure they would dump it all for us to have. In the mean time I and others want to help but don't have the resources (more than likely due to the lack of time to research,) it would be nice if someone handed us the resources as a starting point.

This proves we need the codes..U C with codes up there would b porn, with porn > there is less rage...lol. I'm new..forgive me.mike

Mike you will fit in fine ... keep posting and be opinionated ... everyone else has an opinion!

We respect the opinions of others and ***** if we disagree here.

Even the new people support us here ... everyone should if they find just one item useful!!! Just look at Mike!

dragon,
great post!!i am an old time tester as well from way back and i think there is a big difference from than to now.you are so right when you say all the whinning will drive the coders away.it wont be charlie that defeats us,it will be the whinners that kill this hobby.gratitude will go along way.i love this site but cannot handle all the complaining and disrespect that goes on.so my fta receivers are down,but not my plastic,:|> .when you learn to do things for yourself instead of relying on others there would be less whinning and more appreciation.if and when fta comes back it still wont be the same,it never will......

People who love to watch TV tend to hate anything that get's in the way of watching...including the time it takes to produce a new bin. I would hazzard to guess that 99% of the whining we see is actually a reflection of hating the delay and not hating the coders - probably just easier for these folks to complain about "people" than to complain about "time". Something that might help properly focus peopls' attention would be to understand a little better the relationship between the coders and the STB manufacturers. I've read in here that (many of) the coders are being supported by the manufacturers. Of course any evidence of this kind of a connection would land everyone in court but rumours never really hurt anyone. So, any rumours out there that anyone would like to share?

Not sure how many peps this will reach,, cause I could not post in the props I wanted due to # of post.

I have watched this hobby from a past,, I was there with Canbert and friends when the rom2 was found,, was there with Tollio and Assay, Grundy, Safta were teaching about the rom3 dump,,,, learnt from Stunguy and all the crew,,,the romX team for the 102,,,,even lent a hand in the atmeg project with Omaga for the PCB design,,,,beta alot of software,, helped lots,,,was a coder,,, still am a coder,,,NERVER A WINER,,,,,


To all the FTA peps out there remember this,,,,the TV you watch is from the efforts of the pioneers, the ones that stuck it out and the new comers that learnt from the great ones.

Guys like me gave it up because of the demanding and wining, the game will get tougher , the coders will get deeper, and you will be where I was many years back,, on your own,, learning from those who are willing to teach when they find a worthy student of ability and honor is the best way to go.

MY ADVICE TO YOU,,,,,,SHUT THE **** UP

Get what ya get if you do not want to take the time to be a student or a teacher.


DragontcC

RIGHT ON!!! Lead - Follow -- or -- Get the Hell out of the Way!!!

From my H and HU days I learned that *****ing and whining are a part of the game. It's not doing anything to speed up the process, the coders don't pay attention to it so it's not going to be our demise. I just exists. Sissies whine and *****, coders do what they know, admin distribute info when available and the rest of us will just wait patiently and post more while we are down since we have more time.

dragon,
great post!!i am an old time tester as well from way back and i think there is a big difference from than to now.you are so right when you say all the whinning will drive the coders away.it wont be charlie that defeats us,it will be the whinners that kill this hobby.gratitude will go along way.i love this site but cannot handle all the complaining and disrespect that goes on.so my fta receivers are down,but not my plastic,:|> .when you learn to do things for yourself instead of relying on others there would be less whinning and more appreciation.if and when fta comes back it still wont be the same,it never will......
What are you babbling about? Not that I am ungrateful for FREE TV that coders and "testers" make happen but this is getting out of control. I dont think you have the right to develop a GOD complex and display it everytime a layman tries to voice their opinion or ask a naive question, albiet a repetition. If you dont like common people, dont read the forums - these are not for you anyway - you already know everything that there is to know about everything. The rest of us come here to get some info and ask questions and those who believe in this will offer their advice. People like you are driving helpful folks away from forums like this and preventing us from learning.
All I read since the latest ECM is how everyone is whining or how that whining will defeat FTA - screw FTA nobody needs to be here for FTA - not a single genius(that includes you) put forth a theory or even a c&p to inform us what the f@#k is going on. My ADVICE to you geniuses out there - start by sharing information. If you dont, we all are going to lose this battle. Keep that in mind the next time you flame someone for asking a "dumb" question.

Why exactly was this posted in the rumors section? I just dont get some of you people. Whining isnt going to stop or piss off the coders, they get paid to make fixes. Its not like they sit around forums having their feelings hurt because people ***** about not having tv quick enough. Some of you guys really try hard to treat the coders like they are gods of something. Do you tell the paper boy how awesome he is or the local grocery clerk?

Why exactly was this posted in the rumors section? I just dont get some of you people. Whining snt going to stop or piss off the coders, they get paid to make fixes. Its not like they sit around forums having their feelings hurt because people ***** about not having tv quick enough. Some of you guys really try hard to treat the coders like they are gods of something. Do you tell the paper boy how awesome he is or the local grocery clerk?

Sorry for commenting ... I was actually under the impression that the coders did it for fun like they used to back in my day. I'll leave any more posts like this one alone so as not to p!ss off any "super admins"

It is intelligent discussions of this kind that help pass the time when things are down. The names of the past greats and near greats help to prove how important our words are. Maybe there are reasons some just read and keep away from posting. :D

btw ... what section would you have recommended for the post?

General Discussion since this thread contains no actual rumors of any sort.

I'll give you that one ... but it turned out to be a lively post due to down time I suspect. The original author also said he/she couldn't post it for some reason where he/she wanted due to the # of posts ...

I don't understand that one but at least there was a reason for it being here and it was popular.

Enjoy it and please join in ... I would love to hear your views.

While I don't like seeing people complain that the fixes don't come out quick enough I also don't like people telling others that if they ***** this will somehow result in the coders stopping their work. This isn't the old hu days where people did the coding on their own. Now its manufacturers producing boxes and paying coders to create fixes for them. Its an industry that will keep on trucking until the day they can no longer do so because of some new encryption and not as the result of people complaining.

While I don't like seeing people complain that the fixes don't come out quick enough I also don't like people telling others that if they ***** this will somehow result in the coders stopping their work. This isn't the old hu days where people did the coding on their own. Now its manufacturers producing boxes and paying coders to create fixes for them. Its an industry that will keep on trucking until the day they can no longer do so because of some new encryption and not as the result of people complaining.

Complainers are those people who want something for nothing, think it's there god given right to have it, need a real life, and ***** like hell when they don't get it.

Not sure how many peps this will reach,, cause I could not post in the props I wanted due to # of post.

I have watched this hobby from a past,, I was there with Canbert and friends when the rom2 was found,, was there with Tollio and Assay, Grundy, Safta were teaching about the rom3 dump,,,, learnt from Stunguy and all the crew,,,the romX team for the 102,,,,even lent a hand in the atmeg project with Omaga for the PCB design,,,,beta alot of software,, helped lots,,,was a coder,,, still am a coder,,,NERVER A WINER,,,,,


To all the FTA peps out there remember this,,,,the TV you watch is from the efforts of the pioneers, the ones that stuck it out and the new comers that learnt from the great ones.

Guys like me gave it up because of the demanding and wining, the game will get tougher , the coders will get deeper, and you will be where I was many years back,, on your own,, learning from those who are willing to teach when they find a worthy student of ability and honor is the best way to go.

MY ADVICE TO YOU,,,,,,SHUT THE **** UP

Get what ya get if you do not want to take the time to be a student or a teacher.


DragontcC
you talk a big game for being a rookie ,but my question is what do you have to offer to help everybody get free tv ?? in other words if you cannot be part of the solution dont be of the problem .........

Right on!!!:clap: This is one of the first posts in this pointless thread that has actually made some sense. The Coders are probably the last people that know, or care about the whining, *****ing and complaining that goes on in the forums. Yes, they should be appreciated for what they do, but I'm sure they are well paid by the STB manufacturers etc. and neither want, nor deserve to be put on a pedestal.

Mike




Why exactly was this posted in the rumors section? I just dont get some of you people. Whining isnt going to stop or piss off the coders, they get paid to make fixes. Its not like they sit around forums having their feelings hurt because people ***** about not having tv quick enough. Some of you guys really try hard to treat the coders like they are gods of something. Do you tell the paper boy how awesome he is or the local grocery clerk?

Coders are part of the manufacturers. `cause w/t no support, no sales, no money.
We are consumers that bought a product based on that specs. Did you ever think how many HD chan are fta or a pvr box for real fta? ....and the list goes on & on.

This is the first opportunity I have had to look back at this post,, I can not acknowledge all that was said her but I will take the good with the bad.


dael

that was your first post,, I am glad I could help you out of your shell


dishman727

"Anyway, how about letting us "ignorant, don’t appreciate what we have" bunch in on what the latest ECM is about?"

You were the first one with a question that made sense,,, What is wrong and how do I fix,,, bravo. And the quest for knowledge follows with more members. The first thing we need to understand is the playing field,, 4 parts.
1-there coders
2-the stream
3-our receivers
4-our cards
Look to see how you as a group can learn 1 or more of the above
Then the latest ECM will have merit to the group as a whole


PapaBear

A fellow coder,, the key is in understanding the stream,, then the hardware.

carlmari

not so,, I look at the past and see none of it in the present, and not much hope for the future

esut

there are strength in numbers,, I agree, we had open source, and it brought together friends and new ideas,, although we did not all share the same opinion, we still had something viable to talk about

PapaBear your next few posts show a great veteran, thank you

dmat

“probably just easier for these folks to complain about "people" than to complain about "time"

Well said


PapaBear

“From my H and HU days I learned that *****ing and whining are a part of the game”

I remember well,,, but also remember when this was just a hobby,, and PapaBear I know what your response will be,,money corrupts, absolute money, corrupts absolutely

MidNightWatcher

I posted here because of the forums rules,,, I do not have 50


Michael55

“you talk a big game for being a rookie ,but my question is what do you have to offer to help everybody get free tv ?? in other words if you cannot be part of the solution dont be of the problem .........”

do you know any of the people I named in my quote? Number of posts don’t make a individual a rooky or a coder,,, this was argued at many a forums well before this one was bourn.




Almost sounds like a double standard, it’s a hobby,, but every one gets paid.
If the gen pub were to learn how to do this,,, the coders would suffer?
Coders don’t care about the winning?,,,why did so many disappear, why so much under ground,,all because of the money,,,the money factor is the new bread of coders,,,younger, samarter,,,, where did all the teachers go? But at the end of it all some people showed interest in learning,,,,,,,,

DragontcC

Good Night=)

Deleted by Grandpooba, Language!
These fta forums read like a fairy tale, entertaining yet annoying.

Wow just reading over the last few post as a whole,,

Is there a M cartel here,,, cause if you read the last few post they are all from M and all for coders making money,,,,

Let me tell ya this,, I am a coder,, I used to do that game ya all talk about,,,, and what,,,, you think, the money people don’t look at theses boards to see there profits going down the tubes while people wine about no fix and the next guy have the fix and YOUR write the MONEY people DON”T pressure the CODERS to get a --- Deleted by Grandpooba, Language!


DragontcC

you coders are the best and I know you will do your best

Wow DragontcC, dude relax, you know the world does not revolve are you only. It revolves around all of us normal people to you know what i mean? Seriously man if you need to be so negative then just don't say anything your just a REGULAR joe like all of us
NORMAL folk...

Not sure how many peps this will reach,, cause I could not post in the props I wanted due to # of post.

I have watched this hobby from a past,, I was there with Canbert and friends when the rom2 was found,, was there with Tollio and Assay, Grundy, Safta were teaching about the rom3 dump,,,, learnt from Stunguy and all the crew,,,the romX team for the 102,,,,even lent a hand in the atmeg project with Omaga for the PCB design,,,,beta alot of software,, helped lots,,,was a coder,,, still am a coder,,,NERVER A WINER,,,,,


To all the FTA peps out there remember this,,,,the TV you watch is from the efforts of the pioneers, the ones that stuck it out and the new comers that learnt from the great ones.

Guys like me gave it up because of the demanding and wining, the game will get tougher , the coders will get deeper, and you will be where I was many years back,, on your own,, learning from those who are willing to teach when they find a worthy student of ability and honor is the best way to go.

MY ADVICE TO YOU,,,,,,SHUT THE **** UP

Get what ya get if you do not want to take the time to be a student or a teacher.


DragontcC

:whack:

"worthy student of ability and honor"? :WTF:
WOW, that's way out there! :confused:

He sounds like a WHINER, er sorry I'll try yer spelin WINER, maybee a drinkkr, or a winner hoo just dozzent git it.

Spend your down time learning what the little red line under the text means.

Old coder, yeah right, YOU CAN'T EVEN SPELL, I highly doubt you can code anything.

Let me correct your error "NERVER A WINER" should read "NEVER A WINNER" I think that is what you were trying to say.

Time to go back to being a student!
You sure aren't a Teacher!
:type:

It is intelligent discussions of this kind that help pass the time when things are down. The names of the past greats and near greats help to prove how important our words are. Maybe there are reasons some just read and keep away from posting. :D

Right on kaydee. Famous people would agree.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
Abraham Lincoln
16th president of US (1809 - 1865)

:thmbup:

ok time to stop bashing the supporters / others who responded ... let's get back to the topic. I've been taught a thing or 2 in this and other posts. The coders today are PAID by manufacturers and this alone leaves me with nothing to stand on in this and my other posts. I was under the impression that we all did it for fun and the game still. At this point i'm still willing to help but the coders and manufacturers need to get it together and provide us with movies (ppv, porn, etc ...) or provide us with info to use fixing our own shit and all of us need to get together and make the coders and manufacturers work holidays, weekeds, etc ... until we are all running 100% and I would like my 2500a fixes back so I can get back to the 2500a instead of the conversions which make me take more time putting in the keys manually because the buttons don't line up right.

They need to provide us with TV!
It's not FREE TV ... We paid for it and most of us will buy new boxes later.

My thought is we all bought boxes for the same reasons and for us that can't code patients is a virtue and for the coders THANK YOU for the great bins and the wonderful services you provide. And for all of us I am sure all of you were told by an elder in your life " Nothing in life is free"(except love)

Even love comes at some price.

I was told going in that this was a hobby and there was rough roads to ride. The coders do a very good job and I am very happy with the out come. If I have to Wait then I search for other sats out in the big blue sky and see what they have to offer. My dish has been turned every which way lately and I have had a lot of fun sorry everyone seems to be so unhappy.
Happy New Year It will get better and it won't be long.

Hey wvababy you should get yourself a 33 in dish and a hh motor and a Invacom c\l lnd there is a ton of stuff out there not just the ones everyone is whining about .I get all the sats from 82 all the way up to 148 and let me tell ya there is so many freakin channels you wont care if the sky falls lol:|>

Wow just reading over the last few post as a whole,,

Is there a M cartel here,,, cause if you read the last few post they are all from M and all for coders making money,,,,

Let me tell ya this,, I am a coder,, I used to do that game ya all talk about,,,, and what,,,, you think, the money people don’t look at theses boards to see there profits going down the tubes while people wine about no fix and the next guy have the fix and YOUR write the MONEY people DON”T pressure the CODERS to get a --- Deleted by Grandpooba, Language!

DragontcC

First off I somewhat understand what you are trying to say and maybe worthy of a few comments of addiditonal insight or food for thought.... It is difficicult and stressful when any occupation is put up against overwhelming expectation. The cartel you express likely exsists at many different skill levels and or ability but as the saying goes sometimes better to remain silent holds very true!!!!! I'm not doubting your ability to some level however I'm very certain the few that have the dedication and commitment for sport or financial gain DO NOT ADVERTISE unless they can deliver; if your talking sharing a passion for esprit de core.... I can remember that excitement when you found that hidden BBS chat room were your ideas could be taken with some degree of respect and sincerity.

I do not condone the rants :\ "whining" to be correct.......lmao ...demanding a fix or complaint rejecting that something doesn't work because its called technology evolution!
I respect those that are freely willing to kill a device just to see what makes it tick and for the thrill just to see if you can retsore the heartbeat. Bottom line is technology is all about dollars and cents but with an invention we grow and learn.

If your joining the brotherhood of testing just for the free stuff then save your time and patience just buy another stb or pay for cable ....... figure it this way maybe spend 3 hours complaining about a fix you so desperately need........Ummmmmmm hello; I can spend 2 hours in the bedroom gtting my freak on then go to work or an hour and just buy the PPV event totally chilled and much more healthy then developing anger management issues because the tv is out.....:twisted:

Give me a break :P if I have the knowledge I'm only willing to share it with those equally willing to make a contribution and why shouldn't we deserve to get paid for effort.
You can be an expert in theory but you also need to be an expert in practical with a great deal of determination maybe then you can boast something about being a coder and score yourself an executive position with a manufacturer.:yawn:

Information and knowlege is free to those that dare to challenge and explore ; if all else fails... grow some cahonies.:shifty:

Is it a rant or is it a whine?

Neither. Have you never heard of frustration?

Have you ever gotten tried of putting in more time than you have to, beating your head against the wall?
Have you seen your work make others succeed and profit, while the rest rant, rave and whine that you are not doing enough?

I obviously do not know exactly how he feels - but I got a good idea. I feel I have been there too.

Well, this is just my opinion, not fact, not right, not wrong, just mine.


For those who did not read carefully his message and hear what he meant, try:

Ask not what the community can do for you, but what you can do for the community.

:clap:ok chicken lil but i dont think da sky is fallin :o the coders rock they will allway come up with some thing