c/p from The_Dss_Guy


"Well, the news is we NOW Have a completed Map emulator. The bad news is, in its current form, it will only run on a unicode based pc. The good news is that with this finished emu to run tests on, we can get specific timer values, so they can be written into C for patching each new ECM. While this isn't nearly as good as having every possible combination already written in C, it does give the coders a much better way of getting fixes written properly and quickly. In other words, Providers won't be able to blind side us anymore. Whatever they throw at us can now be fed into the emulator to test and get proper values from map. No more brute forcing necessary The current emu is huge and very resource hungry. While it could be written into certain bins, a 200 mghz. processor would only be able to render proper answers at about 1/10 the needed speed. As more & more routines are thrown our way, more & more patches will be added until we basically will have an emu running in the bins. This will take a bit more time and each bin will of course improve as providers show us their hand. This may not be the "Good News" everyone has been expecting, but it's a very positive step towards that end. This is no small task the coders have undertaken. I don't want to give false predictions about how soon we may have a more permanent lasting fix, but it is in the works, and will require many man hrs from various contributors to finish. Providers have stepped up the game for sure, but coders now have something to work with, so that puts us one up for whatever is headed our way.
Relax, the game is far from over, but as I said earlier, it is certainly getting interesting.
Those companies that don't have the juice to keep up will be obvious in very short order. I will say this, Sv & Viewsat owners have nothing to worry about"

Nice very nice! thanks dei

I hope this is true im testing VS that is good news

well i guess we will see some new boxes coming out with more processor power, bigger flash, and more memory coming out soon. Glad to hear the real deal full emu is working on at least something:). Coders rule!!!

Sounds like BS to me....

Try asking an actual coder if they believe this..one that does not work for a Receiver company...

:thmbup: We'll see what happens. Good Post!:thmbup:

Hope you are right. How did you obtain this info?

wait i dont get it the bins that are coming out now is it Full EMu or a temporary fix?

Temp fixes.

Awesome! :-) Lets see how this goes! VS Team make sure we're up for the fight on Saturday night! I got a lot of people comin over and i told them they have to throw down on the PPV bill hehe!

I got a lot of people comin over and i told them they have to throw down on the PPV bill hehe!

Must be nice being your Friend... lol.

Should be a good fight though. I hope it stay's up too.

Must be nice being your Friend... lol.

Should be a good fight though. I hope it stay's up too.

hehe it was a joke, its free for the friends! im from pensacola (roy's hometown for those who dont know) so we always have a big party for that guy.

Now charlie knows when to knock it down to really hurt us :)

c/p from The_Dss_Guy


"Well, the news is we NOW Have a completed Map emulator. The bad news is, in its current form, it will only run on a unicode based pc. The good news is that with this finished emu to run tests on, we can get specific timer values, so they can be written into C for patching each new ECM. While this isn't nearly as good as having every possible combination already written in C, it does give the coders a much better way of getting fixes written properly and quickly. In other words, Providers won't be able to blind side us anymore. Whatever they throw at us can now be fed into the emulator to test and get proper values from map. No more brute forcing necessary The current emu is huge and very resource hungry. While it could be written into certain bins, a 200 mghz. processor would only be able to render proper answers at about 1/10 the needed speed. As more & more routines are thrown our way, more & more patches will be added until we basically will have an emu running in the bins. This will take a bit more time and each bin will of course improve as providers show us their hand. This may not be the "Good News" everyone has been expecting, but it's a very positive step towards that end. This is no small task the coders have undertaken. I don't want to give false predictions about how soon we may have a more permanent lasting fix, but it is in the works, and will require many man hrs from various contributors to finish. Providers have stepped up the game for sure, but coders now have something to work with, so that puts us one up for whatever is headed our way.
Relax, the game is far from over, but as I said earlier, it is certainly getting interesting.
Those companies that don't have the juice to keep up will be obvious in very short order. I will say this, Sv & Viewsat owners have nothing to worry about"

(going by the above statements)
... but owners of other STB boxes will have to worry
... especially those who already have slow or poor support.

NOT really good news.:!:

:(

will captive works still be ok?????

yes as i can see we lived the last well be here for the next and after that then wow will be there too but all good things come to a end but cw will see it

humm would love to hear that a full fix for neusat 9000 will be out soon can't wait wish they talk about the neusat 9000 hd now

Might be a good time to sell that neusat while its still worth something.

c/p from The_Dss_Guy


"Well, the news is we NOW Have a completed Map emulator. The bad news is, in its current form, it will only run on a unicode based pc. The good news is that with this finished emu to run tests on, we can get specific timer values, so they can be written into C for patching each new ECM. While this isn't nearly as good as having every possible combination already written in C, it does give the coders a much better way of getting fixes written properly and quickly. In other words, Providers won't be able to blind side us anymore. Whatever they throw at us can now be fed into the emulator to test and get proper values from map. No more brute forcing necessary The current emu is huge and very resource hungry. While it could be written into certain bins, a 200 mghz. processor would only be able to render proper answers at about 1/10 the needed speed. As more & more routines are thrown our way, more & more patches will be added until we basically will have an emu running in the bins. This will take a bit more time and each bin will of course improve as providers show us their hand. This may not be the "Good News" everyone has been expecting, but it's a very positive step towards that end. This is no small task the coders have undertaken. I don't want to give false predictions about how soon we may have a more permanent lasting fix, but it is in the works, and will require many man hrs from various contributors to finish. Providers have stepped up the game for sure, but coders now have something to work with, so that puts us one up for whatever is headed our way.
Relax, the game is far from over, but as I said earlier, it is certainly getting interesting.
Those companies that don't have the juice to keep up will be obvious in very short order. I will say this, Sv & Viewsat owners have nothing to worry about"

I thought I had read something similar to what is being implied here. In fact a month or two ago Bl spoke about the upcoming and anticipated EMU fix and I recall these words:

[6:31pm]« SHAFTER » what about a rom 102 card will we need one to emu
[6:32pm]«@ Blacklist» what about a rom 102 card will we need one to emu
[6:32pm]«@ Blacklist» we will not talk in public
[6:32pm]«@ Blacklist» about ROM or EEP eighter techincal issues
[6:32pm]«@ Blacklist» You are looking for Picture we are looking for sollution :)
[6:33pm]«@ Blacklist» are this new changes from DN has anything to do with 118 sat?
[6:33pm]«@ Blacklist» Call me
[6:33pm]«@ Blacklist» will this involve new ways to program or same old loaders? same simple method or more to it?
[6:33pm]«@ Blacklist» tehcnicly nothing will be effected
[6:33pm]«@ Blacklist» same receiver same way
[6:33pm]«@ Blacklist» only inside will be different software
[6:34pm]«@ Blacklist» are pansats capable of full 102 emu?
[6:34pm]«@ Blacklist» Any receivers are
[6:34pm]«@ Blacklist» Most problem
[6:34pm]«@ Blacklist» might give is the memory part
[6:34pm]«@ Blacklist» but we are not close to those issues

and when asked which receiver he recommends he goes on to say any box he supports should be safe. The following few lines are vague but I recall asking myself if the faster and more for flashes were to be the norm in the following year because I read this:

[6:39pm]«@ Blacklist» how can fta die?? ARE YOU DYING???? how is your health?
[6:39pm]«@ Blacklist» funy ibe
[6:39pm]«@ Blacklist» funy one
[6:39pm]«@ Blacklist» FTA wont die
[6:39pm]«@ Blacklist» unless 2 different options might bother
[6:40pm]«@ Blacklist» 1 option I have to keep private
[6:40pm]«@ Blacklist» secound option can be announced
[6:40pm]«@ Blacklist» unless
[6:40pm]«@ Blacklist» DN or BEV speeds up CPU on ROM!
[6:40pm]«@ Blacklist» but DN has to take the chance to do that
[6:40pm]«@ Blacklist» and I dont think so it will happen
[6:41pm]«@ Blacklist» unless they replace with new Receivers, that will make us understand
[6:42pm]«@ Blacklist» END TO FTA , but as of today they will not do that better way of saying they cant they will have financial problems

[6:58pm]«@ Blacklist» soon or later
[6:59pm]«@ Blacklist» almost all manufactors will have sollutions
[6:59pm]«@ Blacklist» the differents are how quality is the sollution

This question was asked and no answer followed:

[7:02pm]«@ Blacklist» Will the new bins be larger files, and should I update
my *_&# to a !*^#M to handle the new emulation?(I will not show receivers)




I posted an answer to a thread 1-2 weeks ago which asked "Where is the perm fix?"

Re: What happened to the perm fix?
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Your are seeking the impossible. Everyone that is use to waiting on fixes is awaiting the new EMU fix.
My question would have been, which boxes will have stability with this anticipated newer emulation fix.
One thing is for sure the coders and their teams have been working it twice as hard putting out temp fixes along with working the emu.

We should all be greatful to the coders for this is an unpresidented undertaking.

way to go guys!!!!

G



I myself will most probably end up with a outdated receiver, so I will wait to see which box will have stability and support. I refuse to take a chance on guessing. Yes the receivers will most probably go up in price, but so be it.

I was eyeballing the VS Pro a few weeks ago (I think will be ready-and right now I am a pansat user) any others???? And tell me why please.

Please follow with your opinions as I will be intriged to hear what other opinions are.

good to know that vs is good for a while. i just got a 7000 pvr.

Yep, yep ,yep!!!

Full EMU will assist in new .bin files being generated faster, but as far as deploying it in an actual receiver full time ... that people is a long way off, here's why, IMHO:

Certain technological advancements/changes would have to take place first to allow this to happen and these are no where ready to be adopted by the receiver mfgs. Its kind of like YOUTUBE, you couldn't have youtube before everyone had enough bandwidth to make a service like youtube possible ... until the majority of internet users actually had broadband, youtube was little more than a pipe dream; and the same is true for a full emu in a current FTA box.

In order for FULL EMU to run, the FTA receivers of today would have to have more horsepower and decision making ability (i.e., processing power) to accommodate all of the processing required to truly offer a FULL EMU. And this is simply not the case now, with the exception of perhaps all but 1 current receiver.

What is being touted now as FULL EMU is not a true full EMU but a complete map table, don't get me wrong, this IS a very good thing, but its a long way from a true EMU.

My personal opinion is that the FULL EMU 'myth' for lack of a better term is being touted and promoted by mfg's who are simply out in left field when it comes to being even remotely close to offering an IKS based solution in any of their receivers.

I mean if you didn't have a functional IKS based solution to bring to market, what would you do to stop the tide of sales going to nFusion??? I mean think about it for a second ... I know what I'd do.

That's my view from here.

Creative Genius

Saw this on another site:

One could argue that most FTA receivers are already equipped with CAS hardware interfaces. these interfaces would allow the existing hardware to use Aux hardware to provide the map functions needed... could be the real ROM itself, or other specialized hardware that does the same type of functions...

Full EMU will assist in new .bin files being generated faster, but as far as deploying it in an actual receiver full time ... that people is a long way off, here's why, IMHO:

Certain technological advancements/changes would have to take place first to allow this to happen and these are no where ready to be adopted by the receiver mfgs. Its kind of like YOUTUBE, you couldn't have youtube before everyone had enough bandwidth to make a service like youtube possible ... until the majority of internet users actually had broadband, youtube was little more than a pipe dream; and the same is true for a full emu in a current FTA box.

In order for FULL EMU to run, the FTA receivers of today would have to have more horsepower and decision making ability (i.e., processing power) to accommodate all of the processing required to truly offer a FULL EMU. And this is simply not the case now, with the exception of perhaps all but 1 current receiver.

What is being touted now as FULL EMU is not a true full EMU but a complete map table, don't get me wrong, this IS a very good thing, but its a long way from a true EMU.

My personal opinion is that the FULL EMU 'myth' for lack of a better term is being touted and promoted by mfg's who are simply out in left field when it comes to being even remotely close to offering an IKS based solution in any of their receivers.

I mean if you didn't have a functional IKS based solution to bring to market, what would you do to stop the tide of sales going to nFusion??? I mean think about it for a second ... I know what I'd do.

That's my view from here.

Creative Genius

whats the unit your talking about with so called full EMU?

Also I think its about the ROM size.. For instance most stb have 2MB or 4MB ROM..

However 1 unit out there has 8MB for Rom Space.. Thats HUGE amount of space.. Plus I think it has the power... 64 MB DDR SDRAM? and a 203 underclocked CPU...

I think this unit will be the one to rule in the end.

whats the unit your talking about with so called full EMU?

Also I think its about the ROM size.. For instance most stb have 2MB or 4MB ROM..

However 1 unit out there has 8MB for Rom Space.. Thats HUGE amount of space.. Plus I think it has the power... 64 MB DDR SDRAM? and a 203 underclocked CPU...

I think this unit will be the one to rule in the end.
I was at one of our sponsers stores to day picking up a sv4000 for a buddy, he told me to wait a couple days for the "new emu" to be released for all conasat stb's , he said they will be the only company with this.:confused:I guess only time will tell

Hats off to the coders, they have had this for a while, I’m surprised they are going to release it, they always do. Full EMU will change the game, we have had full EMU in the past and it only shortened the time line for a card swap. If they have a part of the EEP it will prolong the swap, but if they release the full EEP in the FTA, encrypted or not the time line is shorter. This is a market not a hobby,,, but be careful what ya wish for, cauz the fix is great for the short term, then its back to the start and the wallet. I have always been pro active for advancement but the bigger the blow the quicker the recovery. They run a business also.

DragontcC

Hats off to the coders, they have had this for a while, I’m surprised they are going to release it, they always do. Full EMU will change the game, we have had full EMU in the past and it only shortened the time line for a card swap. If they have a part of the EEP it will prolong the swap, but if they release the full EEP in the FTA, encrypted or not the time line is shorter. This is a market not a hobby,,, but be careful what ya wish for, cauz the fix is great for the short term, then its back to the start and the wallet. I have always been pro active for advancement but the bigger the blow the quicker the recovery. They run a business also.

DragontcC

Might change it for the better or the worst.

Some news from inside:

Dish has 3 new cards available to them! one of them is in manufacturing now! Not for sure what the numbers are on these cards or if they will all be used. Older receivers will be replaced and the new cards are supposed to be coming out the end of 2008. From what the source says. Every card will be replaced leaving all there older cards being used obsolete. Dish took a huge hit on replacing these receivers somewhere around 30 million dollars from what there budget shows Now im not sure if this was one run of receivers or just the start. the cards cost them around 4 million. and not a sole has got one yet. There plan is this they will finish with the 09 keys coming soon and all the keys will be alternated at whatever interval they want from every hour to every 5 days if they like. The way it was explained to me was DISH is screwed on the fact that some of the receivers will not support an ASIC (Applied Specific Intergrated Circuit). This is bad! Older receivers will get a newer card to start out with and then these customers will receive a deduction on their bill to upgrade to a new receiver to help DISH recover the costs. There was even talk of giving upgraded subscriptions to these customers who receive new receivers as a bonus. The source is reliable and you have no reason not to believe this person. Especially where this person works. HEHE!

This is a rumor dont know if it is true But ALOT of money is being put into a new bird. from what I have been told this bird will replace one birds already in use to handle the HD load. I have been tracking this financial trail and have found 10 investors so far adding up to about 45 million so far of the 80 or so million they need to do this. This bird is supposed to be up the end of 2010 or after. Thats all I know!

What about the millions of Dish receivers that have the smart card built in ?It's been reported that they can't afford a card swap.If that's the case,how in the world would they be able to replace all those receivers with a built in card?

Lets hang on a second hear, I hate it when people start taking about how much a company spends because they don’t seem to ever think about the bean counters, as an example:
There is some where around 12 million active pirate boxes in north America. If du to ECM and card upgrades, (just like dave) Lock out pirates, and only 10% of the people go sub with an average monthly price of 29.99$ a month, that means that over 1 year they would make an extra 1.2 million A DAY!!!!! So even if it ccost 150 million to make a swap, you would still double your money in 1 year!!!!!

When Dave caught on it took many people about 3 months to give up and go either Charles or Sub, then about a year to catch on so dave and dish got another bunp in subs for tons of money. Then I spent about 700 in unlockers, writers and new dish cards, and another 350 in fta receivers.
Guess what every one is making money and this will go on till the end of time….. who els remember Freeking the phone company, C band, and W cards???? That has been what 30 years of cheep TV???? Heck my neighbor still has no idea that I have been using there network and there VOIP for about 3 years

And please don’t forget that there is probably a reason why all those cheeeep Clones out there look exactly like a 301-XX charles IRD, and that is why they can be changed into a clone through the Jtag (clone 2500 pansat)
Every one has a finger in this including charles. Remember that he got busted for selling IRDs in Canada?

Bev is down, I am looking for file DBPSW-070905X Bev. This file suppose to work.

Please help!

Help With Coolsat 7000 Have 3 Channels Switching To My Neusat Any Help Would Be Great

this is not the thread to ask does questions you need to go to your receiver thread............................................ .....................this thread is for full emu info.:confused:

Lets hang on a second hear, I hate it when people start taking about how much a company spends because they don’t seem to ever think about the bean counters, as an example:
There is some where around 12 million active pirate boxes in north America. If du to ECM and card upgrades, (just like dave) Lock out pirates, and only 10% of the people go sub with an average monthly price of 29.99$ a month, that means that over 1 year they would make an extra 1.2 million A DAY!!!!! So even if it ccost 150 million to make a swap, you would still double your money in 1 year!!!!!

When Dave caught on it took many people about 3 months to give up and go either Charles or Sub, then about a year to catch on so dave and dish got another bunp in subs for tons of money. Then I spent about 700 in unlockers, writers and new dish cards, and another 350 in fta receivers.
Guess what every one is making money and this will go on till the end of time….. who els remember Freeking the phone company, C band, and W cards???? That has been what 30 years of cheep TV???? Heck my neighbor still has no idea that I have been using there network and there VOIP for about 3 years

And please don’t forget that there is probably a reason why all those cheeeep Clones out there look exactly like a 301-XX charles IRD, and that is why they can be changed into a clone through the Jtag (clone 2500 pansat)
Every one has a finger in this including charles. Remember that he got busted for selling IRDs in Canada?

You have missed my entire point.Charlie has said that they cannot afford to do a card swap.My point was,if that's the case,what about the stupid idea they had to put built in smart cards in millions of recievers?If they can't do a card swap,then they certainly can't and won't do a receiver swap.

A few years back we had a head scratchier about the ROM (not the OTW) section in the chip on the CAM. We did a little poking around and found that they blow a few fuses on the chip to prevent any more writing. At first there were theories about how to get back to that stage of writing but…. So in good faith of the rumor section I will put forward this. Was it ever confirmed the BGA chips fuses were blown? If the BGA were not all blown, they could do a card swap in the stream, I know logging and EMU would pick up on it maybe,,, don’t make a whole lot of sense to put out a product you are not willing to fix or exchange in the event of a flaw, and I think a hack able product is a major flaw.

DragontcC