NOT A RUMOR! I have a buddy that works for DN. They released some info internally that all DN SAT Transmissions will be changing from the standard MPEG-2 to MPEG-4 compression sometime this year. DN Customers will be forced to upgrade their equipment. Currently not many receivers or emulators support MPEG-4 streams.

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Right! And just watch dn lose about half of their customer base by taking that path.

MPEG-4 is no problem . It's been around 10 years and it used extensively on the web to transfer video . every measure has a counter measure :)

Ok what FTA receivers can support MPEG-4? If any. Testing pansat9200HD

The brand new Viewsat 9000 HD has a 266mhz RISC cpu ST40 that will allow you to capture MPEG2-MPEG4

So the pansat 9200HD won t work.

not sure, was just looking at some receivers. I doubt that so called non-rumor is true. Dish Net will loses to many cutomers if they are forced to upgrade.

Captiveworks 3000 Hardware:

- Video: MPEG2 and MPEG4 Acceleration

PANSAT 9200-HD Receiver

MPEG-2 Free To Air, Also supports MPEG-4 AVC/H.264

so IF this is true I see no worries, looks like all the HDs support MPEG-4

Yea just checked my use guide its a MPEG-2 hope the rumor is a rumer. thanks for your help boxer sports

Yea just checked my use guide its a MPEG-2 hope the rumor is a rumer. thanks for your help boxer sports


check again bro


PANSAT 9200-HD Receiver

MPEG-2 Free To Air, Also supports MPEG-4 AVC/H.264

Hope so don t see that in my specifications hope your right thanks again

The cost to the subscriber would be unacceptable... that many customers won't just go & get an hd-box - they'll switch to dave. Your buddy probably just misunderstood & they may be adding some more hd channels to their line-up (which are mpeg4 already).

Oh & blackout - your unit is one of the few HD units that CAN support the add-on module for mpeg4 (~$250 extra 8psk), click the 'HD comparison' link in my sig for more info :)

It would cost to much to upgrade all their equipment. That would not be a cost effective change since this is not something they can just send the current subscribers via programing and updating of old equipment. But if they are serious about wasting money, even if they did, it would be no different then before.

yea have to add 8PSK card pansat 9200HD

It might not be a rumor, but I doubt that it will happen all at once. With MP4, DN can get twice the channels per transponder. That, not FTA, is probably the real reason for doing it if there really are. Most FTA boxes will not work with MP4, but DVB cards won't even hiccup and will continue to work just fine.

The issue is that MP4 is much more susceptible to bitstream errors so it delivers a crappier picture when the weather starts to get bad.

well thats for sure that DN is gonna loose alot of their customers if they force ppl to upgrade their equipment

Current Mpeg 4 STB's

1. SV 8000HD with 8psk
2. VS 9000HD with "all in one" 8psk
3. Pansat 9200HD with 8psk

All three can currently get dish HD which is Mpeg 4 via an 8psk add on board! Without the boards they can only get Mpeg 2 as of right now.

i doubt if anyone wants to add more programming the market is oversaturated already,and with the fcc studying a la carte pricing they probably want to offer more tiers,you know PRETEND they're changing their money grabbing ways until after the elections and a new group of pols and lobbyist can take their turn sc&*#%ng us

well i guess in worse cases we all switch to BEV !!!!

If it was just a software upgrade we should worry but it requires a full hardware swap that makes it very difficult for them. So enjoy what you have & let the future to be future.

I do believe the friend @ dn has it wrong, there are claims that there will be close to 200 HD channels by yrs end, the HD channels will require mpg 4 and the current gen of hd irds already support this, bev is making the same change, BUT there current line of HD boxes are not Mpeg 4 ready, the next gen are, and its going to cost them big to replace all HD boxes out there! Consumers won't tolerate Paying for HD and being soaked for an upgrade to get the channels they're already paying for, so a word to the wise if u have an hd stb from bev u might want to sub it, or get the hd pack to qualify for what better be a free upgrade!

Word is on the B*V subbed boxes is that everyone who has the current HD box will get a free upgrade.

Let Bell Spend money to purchase the upgrades, do you care, Dish won't be able to do the same thing, and by then new recievers will be out anyway

I'm an installer and was told all DN receivers will work by the feb 09 date they have said.All that is needed is a new dish 1000.2. It is for local chans i was told..All they said that is gunna change is locals they are now free with an antenna or rabbit ears,That will not be after the change. Im still installing 625,301,322's so i don't see them changing to much if there still using the old receivers for installs. Let ya know if i hear more

NOT A RUMOR! I have a buddy that works for DN. They released some info internally that all DN SAT Transmissions will be changing from the standard MPEG-2 to MPEG-4 compression sometime this year. DN Customers will be forced to upgrade their equipment. Currently not many receivers or emulators support MPEG-4 streams.

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That's a bunch of a baloney!Only a tiny fraction of Dish's 13 million customers have mpeg4 boxes.The cost would be so staggering they would not even think of entertaining the thought of changing out that many boxes.They won't even change out smart cards!Evidently the "buddy" doesn't have access to any reliable info,and that's the real facts.

I'm an installer and was told all DN receivers will work by the feb 09 date they have said.All that is needed is a new dish 1000.2. It is for local chans i was told..All they said that is gunna change is locals they are now free with an antenna or rabbit ears,That will not be after the change. Im still installing 625,301,322's so i don't see them changing to much if there still using the old receivers for installs. Let ya know if i hear more


Not to be a hijacker , but does this mean that after Feb 2009 , if my D?N goes out , I will not be able to get my local news and weather with my cheap ass roof antenna anymore ?:o WTF ?

Start a new Thread, and I will answer you

Not to be a hijacker , but does this mean that after Feb 2009 , if my D?N goes out , I will not be able to get my local news and weather with my cheap ass roof antenna anymore ?:o WTF ?

Yep you would need a new digital tuner TV or a Convertor box for you to get over the air signals

A few things to read about it all...

http://www.dtv.gov/consumercorner.html#faq3

http://www.foxreno.com/money/15256187/detail.html

am receving some digital local over the air now with out side ant. tv. has dig. tuner - but is not hd:
locals say fcc says they have to be coverted over to dig. by Feb. 09 and yet is that not what you are receiving with fta receivers is dig. so were would the change take place other that if you also want hd

Things won't change much, most new high end recievers are mpeg4 capable now and if things look like it's moving that way all units will move to provide the capability. so maybe in a year or two you'll need to get a new unit or two to test with, no probs here.

am receving some digital local over the air now with out side ant. tv. has dig. tuner - but is not hd:
locals say fcc says they have to be coverted over to dig. by Feb. 09 and yet is that not what you are receiving with fta receivers is dig. so were would the change take place other that if you also want hd

The change is in the Tuners of TV's, Analog tuners will cease to function and you'll need a converter box for those TV's cable boxes etc to work. you should see no difference in the local channels as long as you have a digital tuner and adaquet antenna setup.AFAIK.YMMV.

Not to be a hijacker , but does this mean that after Feb 2009 , if my D?N goes out , I will not be able to get my local news and weather with my cheap ass roof antenna anymore ?:o WTF ?

A lot of the HD STB's have built in digital ATSC tuners so you can get the over the air broadcasts. Those broadcasts are 100% free and can be either 1 HD, 2 ED or 4 SD channels. That is, the tuner tunes a transponder not a channel. You go to channel 10 for example. But now, you might see 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, and 10.4 where there used to only be one station. Its really cool and if you haven't played with over the air digital, then you are missing out.

Interestingly enough, even though these are 100% free and unscrambled broadcasts, if you have certain DN or Direct HD Boxes with the ATSC tuners, they will not let you watch this free programming unless you pay them a subscription.

As for the MP4 stuff -- Does anybody know if any of DN's non-HD boxes are capable of it? If they are, they wouldn't have to switch out the box after switching to MP4. Note that they said MP4 and not 8PSK which is something different.
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Edit: Another thing. DN may want to use MP4 to free up more transponder space to make room for adding more HD content. Same channels, just in HD. Still, if the make all their subs buy a new box, then those subs might just buy a viewsat the next time around.

Here is something that may clear things up on whats happening with the air waves.
http://www.narda.com/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=4029

the change in 2009 is fcc mandated, anyone not having a digital television will have to buy or rent a box to down convert digital to analog. as all television providers including cable will be required to use digital streams. shouldnt be to much of a problem as there arent too many analog tvs left out there anyways that even still work, lol..... atleast that was the way it was explained to me by time warner cable, when i was setting up my grandparents cable. they had a tv that was like 20 years old. i made them buy a new hd tv, and upgrade their boxes. as far as mpeg4, i can see why dn would want to make the change, to be able to provide more channels in the future. while im sure this change is eminent, im much more detached from the idea that it will be swift. Try maybe the next five years before you see a substantial upgrade and swap out. As an immediate change as stated many times previously would be alot of $$$$, which would probably get passed down to the customer.

the over the air HD stuff is pretty cool but wont be around much longer. Then the cost to upgrade everyone to MPEG4 compatable boxes would be insane. I am sure they will slowly upgrade everyone and phase out the mpeg 2 stuff over time but they wont do it all in one swoop. Our coders should already be looking into the options that DN and bev have for trying to take us down and hopefully we will have it figured out before or not long after they make a change. I doubt they will be able to do what **** did a few years back due to money but u never know, lets wait and see.

I'm an installer and was told all DN receivers will work by the feb 09 date they have said.All that is needed is a new dish 1000.2. It is for local chans i was told..All they said that is gunna change is locals they are now free with an antenna or rabbit ears,That will not be after the change. Im still installing 625,301,322's so i don't see them changing to much if there still using the old receivers for installs. Let ya know if i hear more


OTA HD locals are free if you can receive them..period..buy a HD receiver or use HD antennae if TV has HD tuner..so what are you talking about...Charlie will not be allowed to charge for locals if you can get them OTA...that is what will happen..in 2009... same deal that hit DTV....years ago...congress will have to pass a bill...

charle charges 9.99 + 4.99 for channels that you can get for free... and their market is smaller than Dave...they (charlie) will have to reformat their pricing package to hide locals revenue that will be lost...in 2009..(they will probably add the lost revenue to the leasing of HD equiptment... they will push HD receivers...or alert customers to buy hd tuner addon...charlie and dave don't have to conform to regulation of hd conversion signal...they are both basically sub contractors..who get content from..providers and re sell it..to you..so no need to upgrade receiver..untill total HD system completed..by that time..6-7 years HD will be standard..regardless of what you read...

dont confuse OTA.. with Propritery signal transmission

the over the air HD stuff is pretty cool but wont be around much longer. ...

Why would you say that??? Free OTA HD is what is replacing analog SD. Its FCC mandated and its a done deal.

rumors rumors rumors please stop all these fake rumors ...........

in an interview with isiaiah gerstein from bell
he said the card swap started 10 months ago but now they are speeding things up
when asked why he said to stop illegal viewing
and also said the new cards its same nagra but allows for more options on software function and timers
he said coders should not have problems breaking it very fast

the over the air HD stuff is pretty cool but wont be around much longer.

Along with what causticsoda posted about this, the OTA broadcasters have invested lots of money to upgrade to digital, sdtv, edtv and hdtv. So, doesn't make since they would abandon digital OTA broadcasting. What seems odd to me is there are not more HD channels on FTA. PBS is the only one I know of. Hope to see that change soon. :coffee:

OTA broadcasting is the future of TV.. The best possible PQ that you can get

Hello, sonicview, viewsat use the 8psk module to interpret mpeg4 compression.
coolsat hd models do not have the 8psk module hook up at all on their units, so when bev turns over mpeg2 to mpeg4, they will be useless for satellite hd, only local antenna hd channels.

i don't know about the pansat hd models, they might be able to hookup the 8psk module to open mpeg4 hd on dish.

the 8psk module is actually from dish network hd receivers.

testers watching fta hd on dish network, actually see mpeg4 compression. the mpeg4 this year will be for dish network customers. fta is already watching mpeg4.