i heard a rumor that all ftas will be dead is the next couple of moths how true is that

Well - if you heard the RUMOR on TV or the webb, it has to be true!

never know could happen at any time. time will tell .enjoy what you have while you have it.

It could have been in the national enquirer.

Im sure it will happen sooner or later, its not something to really worry about. If it goes down, Im sure something new will come out. As they say if man can make it, man can break it.

nothing lasts forever ... including us (and we're a lot more expensive). enjoy what you have while you have it.

sorry ... had a philosophical moment there ... it's passed now. lol

i really doubt there is any chance of fta's dying in the next couple months, unless they pull something completely new out of their hats a complete card swap on both providers would be needed.
they may just keep annoying us with mecm changes repeatedly though :)

Well I heard the world is coming to an end in a month.

i really doubt there is any chance of fta's dying in the next couple months, unless they pull something completely new out of their hats a complete card swap on both providers would be needed.
they may just keep annoying us with mecm changes repeatedly though :)

Have you been living under a rock for the last month?
Bev card swap is on it's way and rumors that Dish will be doing the same.

Worst case scenario, we are down for 1-6 months.
That's from my experience when we switched to Nagra2
Nagra 3 is just N2 with better encryption.....(so I've been told)

the sky is falling.....

Have you been living under a rock for the last month?
Bev card swap is on it's way and rumors that Dish will be doing the same.

Worst case scenario, we are down for 1-6 months.
That's from my experience when we switched to Nagra2
Nagra 3 is just N2 with better encryption.....(so I've been told)

ummm obviously i see a little more light from under my rock than you do, i didnt say they arent going to swap.
the original reason this thread was started was saying we have very little time left.
i have never seen a card swap yet done in under a year, seems more like 2 years.
so before i start screaming the sky is falling i will enjoy tv for a fair while in my opinion, unless as i said something new is on the horizon.

My sisters in law's neighbor's 2nd cousin's best friend said the same thing...so it must be true...

also I saw it posted at another site once , so that must confirm it....LMAO

fta is going down ???? well fta goes down every 3 to 5 days on either provider actually on both providers lately,,, card swap what does that mean not mutch just another down time for a while till someone gets things figured out ,then back to same old thing ,this is going to be fta life now till someone can add something to install in the card slot to emulate the cards with a program into the fta ,,,till then this will be the game down often but back up quickly and card swap once completed then down for a while then back up to this game ,,like another person said man can build it another person can take it apart and open it and play with it just the way it is ,so for people with patience and have sub and watch tv when there is a file to test and play with will keep enjoying fta for the people that dont want to be patient and only want free tv while not bothering to read post and dont want to bother loading this and that it will be the end for them because until a full emulation system is built this will be the game

fta is going down ???? well fta goes down every 3 to 5 days on either provider actually on both providers lately,,, card swap what does that mean not mutch just another down time for a while till someone gets things figured out ,then back to same old thing ,this is going to be fta life now till someone can add something to install in the card slot to emulate the cards with a program into the fta ,,,till then this will be the game down often but back up quickly and card swap once completed then down for a while then back up to this game ,,like another person said man can build it another person can take it apart and open it and play with it just the way it is ,so for people with patience and have sub and watch tv when there is a file to test and play with will keep enjoying fta for the people that dont want to be patient and only want free tv while not bothering to read post and dont want to bother loading this and that it will be the end for them because until a full emulation system is built this will be the game

actually if you do a bit of looking you will find some fta's allready set up with card slot ability to emulate cams, although im not positive what all ones (i think conaxtant is one).
unfortunatly my 8100 coolsat isnt.

the sky is falling.....


Again

whatever

I have been hearing this for 3+ years!!! Still up and strong on my original Pansat 2500 :)

The only way fta will be dead is if all the birds suddenly dropped out of the sky, or got taken out by a series of russian rockets!

LMFAO

Fyi
Confirmed by the assoc at Bev They will spend 50 million this summer to produce apparently the biggest crack down on fta as far as new encryption and a card swap now big deal we wait what they fix we break same old. After that they are predicting that bev will be like starchoice untouchable which I doubt. They are in the process now of re doing there system against fta apparently there losing 22 million a year so sounds like a good investment for them and a challenge to us.

Fyi
Confirmed by the assoc at Bev They will spend 50 million this summer to produce apparently the biggest crack down on fta as far as new encryption and a card swap now big deal we wait what they fix we break same old. After that they are predicting that bev will be like starchoice untouchable which I doubt. They are in the process now of re doing there system against fta apparently there losing 22 million a year so sounds like a good investment for them and a challenge to us.

you have a url to this info?
please pm it to me if you do, id like some humorous reading :)

Have you been living under a rock for the last month?
Bev card swap is on it's way and rumors that Dish will be doing the same.

Worst case scenario, we are down for 1-6 months.
That's from my experience when we switched to Nagra2
Nagra 3 is just N2 with better encryption.....(so I've been told)

swapp already here for both provider is just a matter of time be prepaired

swapp already here for both provider is just a matter of time be prepaired


dish has not started a swap, post correct info

Beverly has started a card swap, near cards are appearing in retail irds as of end of feb early march. dn has not started yet, but did read post saying there was a notice to shareholders that they will be implementing a card swap as well, expecting to take 9-12 months to complete,

Personally I think they're gona hold the purse strings tight and see what happens when bev completes it and save their money if its a bust in a short period of time.

N3 is already in use in europe, and apparently has already been dumped, which is how N2 was cracked, yes the europe cams and NA cams differ slightly but lets face it, once its broke its broke, if FTA is your only form of TV, your in for a rocky road just as back in 05, so hold on to your hats, and get a netflix account! LOL

with the amount of subs dish has i would think 1 year would be a bit fast, but ya never know.
either way a year is a long way off :)

Well I heard the world is coming to an end in a month.

-I don't know about that......But I sure wish that the Toronto Maple Leafs would...
But I know that will not happen soon.....And FTA is like the Leafs....It SH*IT just keep
on going and going and going.....I have being hearing this sh*it for years now....And
thats being going on from the time I got into fta, and that was in 2004....Lets talk
about testing and forget the bull....SH*IT.:twisted::evil:

with the amount of subs dish has i would think 1 year would be a bit fast, but ya never know.
either way a year is a long way off :)

Exactly, means both streams are going to be active for at least another yr, leaving thos to enjoy the current run of fixes, and the coders that long to work on the new one so its really a win/win situation! :)

Why do you worries about the next swamp card? Like somebody says earlier, nagra3 is already crack in europe, and since 6 months. At hte worst, we'll have to wait a coupple of week's to have a fix, so no big deal !!!:confused:

It may happen if they stop transmitting by satellite. All sort of technology exist now to counter anything new the the providers put out from their magic hat.

if you check lyngsat you'll notice charlie has put nagra 3 on their satellites for each of their transponders.

oh and nagra 3 has not been cracked in europe, have seen no confirmation of this anywhere. bunch of people saying they have heard it is, but no one has said they have it on their tvs

Its doubtful that FTA is going anywhere. N2 and N3 are just ways to send the channel decryption key. As of right now, DN is sending both N2 *and* N3. However, with IKS, both N2 and N3 are bypassed so the picture will come in so FTA is not going anywhere any time soon. Several FTA boxes are already using IKS and many others are rumored to be working on serial port adapters that make older boxes work with IKS. Meanwhile, coders are already experimenting with N3.

As for the DN card swap, I haven't heard that they have actually started yet, but you need to do the math. DN has something like 12M subs and a card swap like that would cost them a minimum of $50M. That's a lot of cash to flush down the toilet. Surely they are aware of IKS. Not only that, but even if they were able to crank out a million cards a month, a year would still just barely be enough time to do it.:P

The only way fta will be dead is if all the birds suddenly dropped out of the sky, or got taken out by a series of russian rockets!
LMFAO

LMAO......BUT totally True!


Beverly has started a card swap, near cards are appearing in retail irds as of end of feb early march. dn has not started yet, but did read post saying there was a notice to shareholders that they will be implementing a card swap as well, expecting to take 9-12 months to complete,

Personally I think they're gona hold the purse strings tight and see what happens when bev completes it and save their money if its a bust in a short period of time.

N3 is already in use in europe, and apparently has already been dumped, which is how N2 was cracked, yes the europe cams and NA cams differ slightly but lets face it, once its broke its broke, if FTA is your only form of TV, your in for a rocky road just as back in 05, so hold on to your hats, and get a netflix account! LOL

Totaly True again dish_man.......I have already recieved the letter from beverly regarding my Sub 3100 and 2700. Also, True about N3 being "DUMPED" in Europe! Again the rom card has been "DUMPED", but not yet "hacked"!

Well I heard the world is coming to an end in a month.

Well since you are a leafs fan then your right the world will end a month from now.

cheers

Well since you are a leafs fan then your right the world will end a month from now.

cheers

Damn Sundin! Oop's I said it out load......???

Well all i can say is "look what napster did to the music industry" ,big law suits at first but eventualy so many other sites poped up it was un stopable and we still all enjoy our free music today so many years later ,So look at fta today ... growing stronger and stronger every day, we see more retailers and more recivers coming out every day, new tec into the recivers ,to put it short this is one big cash cow that in my opinion will not be stopped ......live long fta and prosper lol

Well all i can say is "look what napster did to the music industry" ,big law suits at first but eventualy so many other sites poped up it was un stopable and we still all enjoy our free music today so many years later ,So look at fta today ... growing stronger and stronger every day, we see more retailers and more recivers coming out every day, new tec into the recivers ,to put it short this is one big cash cow that in my opinion will not be stopped ......live long fta and prosper lol

well unlike napster fta getting the 2 providers is not peer to peer sharing.
if they send out cards that cannot be popped or opened then the game is over and its time for true fta.

well as far as cards tha can not be opened ,thats unlikley there is no limit to what enough time and money can do its just a matter of time before the uncrackable is cracked fta is here to stay, compare peer to peer to iks sharing, there is always a way around every thing

well as for cards always being opened i totally dissagree, just look at the p4 cam.
eventually they will come out with something i believe to stop us, who knows it may be a solution like star choice.
and as for iks, if you have no open cam it doesnt matter its gone.
only way to get keys is from opening a cam.

of course this is in the rumours section and there is no way to prove one way or the other till the time comes and tv goes black.

Dish started swaping card's this week. I saw this orange card in use yesturday being Saturday for there 311 to see the 118.7,but I don't know if this is has anything to do with this dumb rumer

dish has not started a card swap

Beverly has started a card swap, near cards are appearing in retail irds as of end of feb early march. dn has not started yet, but did read post saying there was a notice to shareholders that they will be implementing a card swap as well, expecting to take 9-12 months to complete,

Personally I think they're gona hold the purse strings tight and see what happens when bev completes it and save their money if its a bust in a short period of time.

N3 is already in use in europe, and apparently has already been dumped, which is how N2 was cracked, yes the europe cams and NA cams differ slightly but lets face it, once its broke its broke, if FTA is your only form of TV, your in for a rocky road just as back in 05, so hold on to your hats, and get a netflix account! LOL

sorry to be the bearer of bad news,but there is no n3 crack in europe.i just read that they are closer than what they were a month or so ago but there is no n3 crack in europe.go to a european sat site and you will find that i am 100%correct on this

sorry to be the bearer of bad news,but there is no n3 crack in europe.i just read that they are closer than what they were a month or so ago but there is no n3 crack in europe.go to a european sat site and you will find that i am 100%correct on this

so are those guys in the dark or what?

As far as I know not all of dish's equipment take cards. If this is true It will require a whole new box. New boxes will cost way more than just new cards. I'm not sure where the number of $50 million came from but I don't think that will cover it if new equipment is required. Dish is also losing money because of customer loss. There latest attempts to stop FTA use has caused problems for there customers which has resulted in subscription cancellations. With niagra 3 in the works Dish and bev will need to tread lightly so as to not rock there own boat too much. As far as niagra 3 problems go, the number of fta's in europe is probably much lower than the number in us and leaf region. That being said, when the n3 problem becomes everyones problem it will be solved much faster.

As far as I know not all of dish's equipment take cards. If this is true It will require a whole new box. New boxes will cost way more than just new cards. I'm not sure where the number of $50 million came from but I don't think that will cover it if new equipment is required. Dish is also losing money because of customer loss. There latest attempts to stop FTA use has caused problems for there customers which has resulted in subscription cancellations. With niagra 3 in the works Dish and bev will need to tread lightly so as to not rock there own boat too much. As far as niagra 3 problems go, the number of fta's in europe is probably much lower than the number in us and leaf region. That being said, when the n3 problem becomes everyones problem it will be solved much faster.

NOt all of dik's equipment HAS cards but they ALL take cards, there are slots, some hidden behind doors that with a firmware update and a card your now N3

Thanks dish man for clearing that up. Let me ask you a question. Would you agree that most of the fta stb's in operation right now are just as capable as dish equipment. What I'm saying is I believe my sv8000 is able to do anything there equipment can do. With exception to taking a card. (I don't think the card thing would be a giant leap though)

sorry to be the bearer of bad news,but there is no n3 crack in europe.i just read that they are closer than what they were a month or so ago but there is no n3 crack in europe.go to a european sat site and you will find that i am 100%correct on this

ah but re-read my post, I never said N3 was cracked, I said the card was DUMPED and that it was N2 that was cracked in Europe before it was in use in north America, Please read the post properly before u decide to be the bearer of bad news

Thanks dish man for clearing that up. Let me ask you a question. Would you agree that most of the fta stb's in operation right now are just as capable as dish equipment. What I'm saying is I believe my sv8000 is able to do anything there equipment can do. With exception to taking a card. (I don't think the card thing would be a giant leap though)

if they activate the card slots and send out cards that we are not able to hack into (and im not saying they will do this) then we are toast.
without access to the keys, which come from a open card you cannot and will not watch on your fta.
it doesnt matter how much power the fta has at that point.

There are too many old reciever out there

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"Well I heard the world is coming to an end in a month."




Would that have to do with the NHL playoffs TML?

I would rather pay to buy new equipment, then give it to the providers

the sky is falling !!!!

and i wish it would stop--tired of picking up things out of the yard

Have you been living under a rock for the last month?
Bev card swap is on it's way and rumors that Dish will be doing the same.

Worst case scenario, we are down for 1-6 months.
That's from my experience when we switched to Nagra2
Nagra 3 is just N2 with better encryption.....(so I've been told)

so will u need to get a new receiver or will old ones work

Bev has announced the card swap beginning as of April 15 on their info channel with instructions to subscribers on doing the swap. How long the swap will take is anyones' guess.

coders no there roll shut your mouth

venlaner what are you trying to say.

Coders already have the software in hand for the new card and have started working on it..... no worries... although expect some downtime as they don't exactly know how the providers will use the card for ecm purposes yet.....

My sisters in law's neighbor's 2nd cousin's best friend said the same thing...so it must be true...

also I saw it posted at another site once , so that must confirm it....LMAO


Yeah, I saw a site where OJ Simpson said it was going down. It must be true.......

The world's not supposed to come to an end until the summer of 2012.

wait until its DARK then worry!

The bigger question is, will the USA make through the rest of the year?
The rich get richer and the powerfull take our rights away little by little.
You can't tell the difference between the government and corporations.
Question is how far are you willing to go to keep your freedom?

What will happen if they switch to mpeg-4 from mpeg-2 for the recievers?? will all existing ones we have now be done for?? Or will there be some software to update them?

I've herd that rumor....

What will happen if they switch to mpeg-4 from mpeg-2 for the recievers?? will all existing ones we have now be done for?? Or will there be some software to update them?

I've herd that rumor....

dik is already mpg4 for hd, and bev is on its way, sd is still mpg2, but any change to mpg4 will require new hardware

if it go down, some body will make new recivers for 100% sure, why you worried, so just enjoy what you have now, tomorrow is another day,

I guess at some point in the not to far off future we'll all be going HD. seems to be the future for mpg4.........Ahhhhh the blisss of buying new recievers........lol :) and all the fun of figuring them out. never never throw away the old ones though.... :)

I will enjoy what i have today, and take it day by day. that's all we can do :)

Enjoy what you have & let the future be. There always be ways to watch NASA & Golf.

I heard that too,,, the world is ending in 2012! What a bummer!

you have a url to this info?
please pm it to me if you do, id like some humorous reading :)

dude have you seen any ppv lately non fta there sending memo's out to there clients in the next 30 days stating the card swap process. If you want to take it a step further go to bev info channels maybe that will convince you or maybe a little humour? I doubt it

i have heard some about it also i look for it any time

............why did i subject myself to read all this crap?? weve all probly got our monies worth multiple times over already, why does it matter? most stbs have card slots, get a sub and ask for a card for your old reciever.

we will break whatever they throw at us and with all the talk of the Dir?kt tv newer cards finally being cracked we may have another option in the near future:) I think DN will see how the card swap goes with BEV and decide weather it will be worth the money. They start mailing out the cards way early and it would be dumped in know time. Then we have time till they impliment it so the coders will have time and we will be up still. Like the others said N3 has been cracked in europe so thats a big help and since DN will probly use a similar if not same new card that BEV is swapping too we will have a good head start for DN, but BEV will probly be down for a bit. Well we can hope for the best and hail coders.

Well according to nfusion coders , bev has already start swaping there cards out over a month ago. new card is called S06 , since bev subscribers is less then 3.5 million give a take , full card swap will be done aprox 6-8 months top's
also according to nfusion , nagra 3 has been hack allready in europe and nfusion coders allready has s06 card in there hands getting prepaird for swap, they also said min 2 weeks down time on nfusion once new card is put in data stream ,
like people as said man made it, man can break it
i do believe iks will be the first to have solution when sh%$t its the fan in few months,,,
other receiver's will soon follow suit.. i hope so cause i have viewsat receivers too.
people got to understand .. lots lots of inventory in stake here and that means lots lots of money $$$,$$$,$$$

ariza 700 is working fine

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we will break whatever they throw at us and with all the talk of the Dir?kt tv newer cards finally being cracked we may have another option in the near future:) I think DN will see how the card swap goes with BEV and decide weather it will be worth the money. They start mailing out the cards way early and it would be dumped in know time. Then we have time till they impliment it so the coders will have time and we will be up still. Like the others said N3 has been cracked in europe so thats a big help and since DN will probly use a similar if not same new card that BEV is swapping too we will have a good head start for DN, but BEV will probly be down for a bit. Well we can hope for the best and hail coders.
like you said dtv is not out of the woods yet . iam
sure dave is probly reading all these forums and sht ,keeping close eye on his investment .
who knows maybe dtv is hack already, nobody is going to say for sure ,dtv will do something else etc, to push us back farther then we are now.. its just matter of time till its posted all over the net ..

They will shut us we get right back up again :thmbup:

The New York Knicks will the NBA championship before fta goes down ,but you never know .....QUE SERA SERA !!!!

Come on the Knicks are u crazy

they keep trying to shut us down,but we keep coming back

Yep, Bev Has started the card swap thing And Dish will be
soon behind them...It seems that they are almost the same company.
Ever notice how there PPV is the same:?:

So is it true--- that Nagra2
Nagra 3 is just N2 with better encryption.....:?:

I thought that is what D-Tv switched to years ago:?:
And not much Fta testing going on there right now.....:o

Keep your fingers crossed, And hope for the best! :clap:

i think someone needs to time travel and alert all the coders about this.

i think someone needs to time travel and alert all the coders about this.

someone already did he went back in time
and has been posting since nagra 1
that the sky is falling
and its all over

Theres neutron. Making me laugh again.

[hello to all] will i think if fta do go down it wont be for long. because of the great people that created this site would not go down with out a fight. to me they are # 1 thank for everything guys [FTA 4 every].......................If someone has taken the time to helped you use the +/- button to give feedback on the info you receive.

warlord?

the only way to make FTA fallout is when providers DN and other greedy out there make it for free:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:: twisted:

Well boys I looked outside and it wasnt raining satellites so I think were okay for now but if the sky falls call mee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what you missed the sat 2 weeks ago it fell from the sky the usa did it we are still picking it up all over my back yard just whit till i give them the bill but the good news is my fta still works fine they missed my dish so all is good and 2012 is not the end but the new start for the wold you guys need to read some more and get the facts right and if they come out with new cards the most we will be down will be 3 months if you still think the end is coming then just give me your receivers i will find them a good home

i heard a rumor that all ftas will be dead is the next couple of moths how true is that

yeap I heard it too,
three years ago

Eventually it`s gonna go down but when? Live up & enjoy what you have.

how about the 3.7 million tivo ripoffs with no card or card slot that are not nagra3 ready but i'm i'm just a boy dummy!:confused::yawn:

Same rumor every week !:v:

yes yes yes

N3 = merlin 1.01 with N2 heart

Capish !!!

Why do you worries about the next swamp card? Like somebody says earlier, nagra3 is already crack in europe, and since 6 months. At hte worst, we'll have to wait a coupple of week's to have a fix, so no big deal !!!:confused:

At this time Nagra 3 is not hacked yet for any European provider. Read better and visit European sites. All is dark in Europe for providers who switched to Nagra 3.

And more providers in Europe are switching to Nagra 3 precisely because N3 is yet un-hacked.

Is same as DTV..rumors but no hack. All BS and crap.

At this time Nagra 3 is not hacked yet for any European provider. Read better and visit European sites. All is dark in Europe for providers who switched to Nagra 3.

And more providers in Europe are switching to Nagra 3 precisely because N3 is yet un-hacked.

Is same as DTV..rumors but no hack. All BS and crap.

guess wat if man can fix then there is a man that can breack it 4 the rite price.an this is big money some will get it done an soon blive that. :lol::evil::twisted:

What is not guaranteed is life, death is always sure, but after death there come the resurrection likewise FTA as long as you have coders we will be watching TV. without coder no free TV.

You have nothing to fear but fear itself! Concern yourself with things you can change(like the channel)

Man is the only animal intelligent enough to completely annihilate itself!!

Well said.

Lets see. Does FTA transmitt 1080I or 1080P.. thats 1 way... Lets see. Change frame rate to 120.. Thats another way.. Big hardware changes though... I know if I want to watch FTA in the future I will need to by something other than a 480i machine.. Humm I always thought it was 525 lines interlaced odd and even but someone calls it 480i... Oh well. Heard a RUMER from national Enquire that THEY want to goto 1440P at 120HZ frame rate... Who has all that money? Does the space shuttle go up and change all the Equipment in the TV sat? LOL.. Well **** is Rich and so is Bev. 1440P at 120 Hertz. Humm. Awsum. Big Bit rate.. How much for that.. 100 Megabits per second? LOL. Hum again. wow

geez i heard this back in 2006 wait till it happens, what will be will be, and you know we will not be far behind them, that means direct will be in the agenda also.:idea:

I would like to know what's going to happen to those who have no hope ?????????

they hit us we all will back up in to the game again

Really people get a hold of yourselves. You must have confidence in the coders they figured out Nagra 2 didn't they so they will in time figure out nagra 3. It will all work out in the end FTA lives



Testing VS EXTREME AND PANSAT 2700

Isn't nagra3 hacked already?

Beverly

http://www.bell.ca/support/PrsCSrvTv_DTH_CardSwap.page?tab=0

we're always going down and always coming back. must be doing something right i guess.

they. will get us a FIX you know who they. are.

we're always going down and always coming back. must be doing something right i guess.
Thanx i could not say any better:read:

I want to see starchoice cracked, free tv for life

hi there bigguy maybe u could help me out iam kind of new to this i change my keys on my ultra now i dont have signal or channels

As long as millions of subscribers pay for Direct or Dish, they should be happy.

Well I heard the world is coming to an end in a month.

You got the date B) wrong it 12-23-2012. god told me.

Well I heard the world is coming to an end in a month.


It is for those Leafs!!!! Hahahhahaha

Well I heard the world is coming to an end in a month.

Well.......it has for the Toronto Maple leaves, lol:)

i heard a rumor that all ftas will be dead is the next couple of moths how true is that

Boy,

I heard that HD is coming and all analog television will be cut off in February.

I bet my source is more reliable than yours.

no its the toronto maple laughs...LOL

Well, I can tell you, that yes, the analog will be gone in Feb of next year, but everything will not be HD then. Everything will be broadcast in digital, but not necessarily HD. HD is one type of digital broadcasting. All of the FTA and sub receivers already use a digital signal, so the switch to digital will not be the end of all FTA receivers.

You can do a little searching on this site and find some really good posts that go into detail about the switch over. Plus you can go online and do a search for it and find info that the government has supplied. This is my source, and since they are the ones mandating the change, I dare you to find a more reliable source.

well thats great i just donated and you are telling me this jajaja i sounded really cheap

Well, I can tell you, that yes, the analog will be gone in Feb of next year, but everything will not be HD then. Everything will be broadcast in digital, but not necessarily HD. HD is one type of digital broadcasting. All of the FTA and sub receivers already use a digital signal, so the switch to digital will not be the end of all FTA receivers.

You can do a little searching on this site and find some really good posts that go into detail about the switch over. Plus you can go online and do a search for it and find info that the government has supplied. This is my source, and since they are the ones mandating the change, I dare you to find a more reliable source.

Is this the same government that keeps telling us there is no price fixing in the oil industry?:eek: Just kiddin kenmoresp. :|>
There is some good info to be had.

-FTA was going down 5 years ago.....Why don't U just be thankful that U have
tv and forget about the Bull....Today is today, tomorrow will look after its self....

God never told you squat! You've been sneaking a peek at the Mayan calender.

Well, I can tell you, that yes, the analog will be gone in Feb of next year, but everything will not be HD then. Everything will be broadcast in digital, but not necessarily HD. HD is one type of digital broadcasting. All of the FTA and sub receivers already use a digital signal, so the switch to digital will not be the end of all FTA receivers.

You can do a little searching on this site and find some really good posts that go into detail about the switch over. Plus you can go online and do a search for it and find info that the government has supplied. This is my source, and since they are the ones mandating the change, I dare you to find a more reliable source.

analog will still be around for low power stations and repeater stations in rural areas

I think people should be thankful of what they have now. Live for today not tomorrow. FTA is there for a long time yet. The ony way out for Bev and charlie is to completely change their system and do as Starchoice doe's and that they won't do cause of the cost. They will just keep on doing exactly what they are doing now . As long as it's man made it can be broken,it's just a matter of time tht's all. It's a big gambling game and so far the hackers are winning. When i bought my receiver i knew it was a gamble but then i knew all the chances were on my side for now. Hey just in the first week of free programming paid my receiver off. So if we need to change our system in the future then that's no hastle. Just be thankful you get free TV for now and stop worrying.

Exactly walrus. Why are all these folks that don't want to pay for programming so determined it is coming to an end? Jeez, if you can't afford another receiver if that is what it comes to, maybe you should not have bought the one you have now. Just sit back and enjoy your investment, even if the remaining life of it is short. And pray our guys can keep up with the providers.

I heard that Uranus is going to explode at the end of the month!!! Close friends reportthat gas is seeping out of it ftrom time to time...PS..NO WAY Jose will fta go down..do you realize how much money the people and businesses make, I honestly believe that Dave and Bev are all in it and get a good portion of the revenues...just a game! If you really think that can I have your reciever and stuff?

well i hardly believe the providers are in on the fta game.
sooner or later it will be inevitable that the providers will lock us out and force some new tactics, how soon who knows.

Remember all what goes up must come down and then again what falls down must get up or is the glass 1/2 empty or 1/2 full ???

I agree with you all,,you can,t complainabout what we already have just make the best of it while you have it,,,and dont cros the brige before you get to it, cause you will mis-out on all the beauty along the way, and must of all ,its an invesment that pays for it self...........

I heard the government is gonna buy diknet so they can televise the occupation of Iraq

It is exact like the rumors.
Common guys.

1 month and counting!!!!!

1monthand 1 sec and keepcounting

JaJaJa

tic tic tick 0n my d!ck

Its doubtful that FTA is going anywhere. N2 and N3 are just ways to send the channel decryption key. As of right now, DN is sending both N2 *and* N3. However, with IKS, both N2 and N3 are bypassed so the picture will come in so FTA is not going anywhere any time soon. Several FTA boxes are already using IKS and many others are rumored to be working on serial port adapters that make older boxes work with IKS. Meanwhile, coders are already experimenting with N3.

As for the DN card swap, I haven't heard that they have actually started yet, but you need to do the math. DN has something like 12M subs and a card swap like that would cost them a minimum of $50M. That's a lot of cash to flush down the toilet. Surely they are aware of IKS. Not only that, but even if they were able to crank out a million cards a month, a year would still just barely be enough time to do it.:P

Yupp soon many unit will have a serial adapter NIC card like the Neosat I PRO..
The Neosat I 2000 PRO and PRO PLUS has the Ethernet card built in..
However Viewsat is going IKS and we already know Nfusions IKS is good and the Neosats IKS is 6 days away from being up Hybird perfect... What you think Hybird means??

LOL.. N2 N3 ready....?? However I have Nfusion working perfect never really a problem and Neosat put the IKS back on Yesterday with BEV and DN seems to be working too.

Now I have both The IPRO 2000 PRO with built in Ethernet and the I PRO with the adapter. It would be so so easy to plug that adapter into any unit out there on the market and guess what... You have IKS....

Soon I expect to see many more units go IKS... Its just a matter of TIME.
Have faith in your IKS and get them cheep while you can.... B.c When IKS is the only thing working for 1 - 6 months you are going to see prices go way up.. Supply and demand. I'm already stocked up...

Same old story. Fta down, Fta down but fta is not only Dn & Bev. There are so many birds out-there.

Just heard a rummor that DN is changing there receivers in the near future. Has anyone heard about this and what will this mean to the ones that have older receivers?

Even with a complete card swap by the two major providers would not kill FTA. In the pass we have being down for months and coders found ways around those problem technology is work for both side sat providers and coders.

AS a bell employee here, for last 5 years... i can tell ya that FTA will be around for a bit yet...

With our new 06 cards being installed now in all new recievers... its still not stoppin the FTA end.. in Europe they hve already cracked the 06 cards.. so it be nada new when all goes to them here...

Only way Bell not be viewable on FTA, is launch of new sat, and yes there is work of this, date in talks of new lauch is not till 2010... or latter...

All us supervisors run FTAs... Calgary Devison i know personally with Bell, and over 3/4s all run FTAs... so why we want to stop it =P...
:lol:

Each week i install 6 to 8 bell systems and about 4 or so FTA systems a week..

So sit back and relax and enjoy =))

Some of the biggest ECMs have already been tryed this year, with the biggest cost being one at end of 07... wich only set back FTA for about a month..

So now back to Spike and the Star Wars series ...

:)

Well good news I reckon Happy, ORDER them suckers to quit sending so many ECM's...just kidding Happy, or am I ?.......NOPE :)

Have to keep them coders up on thier toes... or thier brains go to mush...

:twisted:

They LOVE the rush of it i think lol....

GO coders GO...

Peace to all the Coders working around the world for the FTA users..

./salute

shit!

OMG "Ball Sac" why didn't i think of that user name... thats awsome!!

:sleep::sleep: SoS (Same Old S**t ):sleep::sleep:

Well if it goes away something will replace it like always.

True If it goes down there will be something ,there has been for 10 years or more already
Dont worry be Happy

there will allways be something to test

fta going (IKS)

Q. What is IKS?
A. IKS uses a key exchange to set up a shared session secret, from which
cryptographic keys are derived. Public key techniques or, alternatively, a
pre-shared key, are used to mutually authenticate the communicating parties.

Q. What does IKS stand for?
A. IKS Is short for Internet Key Sharing

Bev card swap info channel 263.

Bev card swap info channel 263.



Yes. Noticed that a while ago.

Lyngsat also shows both providers as using N2 + N3 encryption now.