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"TDG mentioned the following "BEV is wasting their time and money. The ViewsatEthernet-2000 will be in stores this May. Card sharing (IKS) will be up on Nagra3. A secure internet control word uplink center is already in place in North Korea - which can't be touched by Echo*. More details as I get them.Comments I've read on this post include speculation that Nagra3 support won't be available for our current models, VS will turn to this new model, and so will customers if they want FTA after the cardswap.As I said, rumour and speculation ... but I'd be interested to hear any thoughts on this, or if anyone has also heard it." "

anybody know if there's any truth to this? i read it on another site... thought it'd be something to look forward to if it was true...

something to look forward to...except the fact that all other receiver will no longer be of use,(if this were true) i would rather hear something good about the existing receivers ....time will tell!

yeah i just thought hey at least vs is keeping up with the jones and going the way of iks... and you could still use your existing fta receivers for fta lol

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"TDG mentioned the following "BEV is wasting their time and money. The ViewsatEthernet-2000 will be in stores this May. Card sharing (IKS) will be up on Nagra3. A secure internet control word uplink center is already in place in North Korea - which can't be touched by Echo*. More details as I get them.Comments I've read on this post include speculation that Nagra3 support won't be available for our current models, VS will turn to this new model, and so will customers if they want FTA after the cardswap.As I said, rumour and speculation ... but I'd be interested to hear any thoughts on this, or if anyone has also heard it." "

anybody know if there's any truth to this? i read it on another site... thought it'd be something to look forward to if it was true...


I knew about this a while ago... I hope it comes true...

yeah i just thought hey at least vs is keeping up with the jones and going the way of iks... and you could still use your existing fta receivers for fta lol

oh well yes your right, i only view fta anyways! anything else would be illegal!

VS will not go IKS any time soon... they are already under lawsuit by providers... coming out with IKS would be suicide... try proving an IKS box has legitimate purposes.... IKS will be short lived... just my opinion....

just to let everyone know... the smart card slot on the Xtreme and Ultra etc etc can be used for Ethernet... so when you here the VS network model - this is all about business and not capability...

For those that are not convinced... here is an Ethernet card... for all receivers that support a CAS card today.

be nice to see a plug on there to unplug the card slot on the receiver and plug it into that card. then make you a nice dremel mod in the back off the receiver to mount it

VS will not go IKS any time soon... they are already under lawsuit by providers... coming out with IKS would be suicide... try proving an IKS box has legitimate purposes.... IKS will be short lived... just my opinion....

I would love to use PVR function to save and play videos from a desktop computer. Its a great legitimate use for the ethernet port as well.

VS will not go IKS any time soon... they are already under lawsuit by providers... coming out with IKS would be suicide... try proving an IKS box has legitimate purposes.... IKS will be short lived... just my opinion....

using the card slot for Ethernet allows coders outside VS to provide the solution and thereby removing any liability from the company...

with that said... would still think that a new version with Ethernet ports (which does NOT mean IKS by default - could be for upgrades) is a scam to all users of the box for this purpose... again... the Ethernet card slot idea would allow all IKS solutions for existing models

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"[I][I]TDG mentioned the following "BEV is wasting their time and money. The ViewsatEthernet-2000 will be in stores this May. Card sharing (IKS) will be up on Nagra3. [B][I]

It all sounds reasonable until you do some research into internet access in DPRK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship#North_Korea) (North Korea).

Because the DPRK has a Soviet-style centrally-controlled economy, all foreign investors (and there are very few of them) must deal directly with "The State". I find it doubtful that they would permit this sort of venture simply because of the "ideological pollution" that it could generate.

If there is a ring of truth to this, I could see the server being located in Iran or China. I simply can't see Dear Leader allowing Viewsat to run a high-traffic, high-profile service out of their "Worker's Paradise".

Cheers!

From legals I have read and believe:

any safe IKS solution must be capable of delivering pieces of the key sharing data from different servers simultaneously (like a TOR based network), such that the only one with the full key at any one time is the box that actually needs it...

superbrad, I will have to disagree with you on the comment about IKS being short lived, when a company releases a receiver with an ethernet port they do not advertise it as IKS that would be stupid, instead they say there is an ethernet port for updates. So really VS releasing a model with an ethernet port would not be suicide.

From legals I have read and believe:

any safe IKS solution must be capable of delivering pieces of the key sharing data from different servers simultaneously (like a TOR based network), such that the only one with the full key at any one time is the box that actually needs it...

Exactly. A Torrent-like p2p system is the way to go. Not only that, but if 4 of the 32 bits of the key are left out it means that the key is never transmitted in full from anywhere. The box could simply try all 16 missing bits until it finds the right combination. The remaining 28 bits come from contacting 28 individual peers - each being the caretaker of their respective bit. Even if not all the peers were contactable, it would still be possible to recreate by brute force as many as 16 missing bits. :|>

I am all for the development of a public access IKS network that all STBs could use it. Right now, only single source proprietary IKS systems exist. This means that if there is a storm at the source that shuts off the internet connection, then everybody goes down. In addition, I am told that you don't get the local channels with proprietary IKS.

With a public shared system, its a lot more stable because there are multiple key insertion points that can take over if another fails.:thmbup:

i agree also, it needs to be a multi node setup like tor or p2p. or just have the a way to send it over a web based port or maybe something from private FTP server that gets a key file uploaded from the grabber in another place and then downloads from there. I dunno how long IKS will last with the lawsuits and all but only time will tell on this. probly all gonna need new STB's depending on how the card swap goes and how the coders cope with it.

More than likely, if older STB's are retrofitted to work with IKS, they will do it through the serial port. Nearly all STB's have a serial port. Very few have working CAM card slots. With the serial port, you can use a serial to Ethernet adapter or you can use a computer with a serial port running an IKS adapter program.

In both cases, the STB coders will have to adapt the STB software to support it.

:thmbup: Thanx for the Heads Up Guys :thmbup:

Well the word of that coder is not reliable as far as I'm concern .You see Viewsat is a FTA STB .So anything other than that is suppose to be illegal .As you know the coder who turned in certain coders will not tell you whats what . OK if Vs was able to go IKS , or IKs adapters where good , trust me .That coder would of been the first to break the news .N3 has Vs by the balls ,and so does someone else .So weather you go IKS or what ever rocks your boat .All Fta stb's will not work when N3 starts its party next week with B3\/ .Then Chuck will come right behind .So for the ones who are hobbyist no problem .But for those who believe in a false prophet .Good Luck .:twisted:

Get Real They Broke The Code For Charlie Along Time Ago And Nobody Evan Talks About That? They Will Break This One Two! If A Human Makes The Code Then A Human Can Break The Code To.

superbrad, I will have to disagree with you on the comment about IKS being short lived, when a company releases a receiver with an ethernet port they do not advertise it as IKS that would be stupid, instead they say there is an ethernet port for updates. So really VS releasing a model with an ethernet port would not be suicide.

i concur doctor

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"TDG mentioned the following "BEV is wasting their time and money. The ViewsatEthernet-2000 will be in stores this May. Card sharing (IKS) will be up on Nagra3. A secure internet control word uplink center is already in place in North Korea - which can't be touched by Echo*. More details as I get them.Comments I've read on this post include speculation that Nagra3 support won't be available for our current models, VS will turn to this new model, and so will customers if they want FTA after the cardswap.As I said, rumour and speculation ... but I'd be interested to hear any thoughts on this, or if anyone has also heard it." "

anybody know if there's any truth to this? i read it on another site... thought it'd be something to look forward to if it was true...


hahahahahahahaha THE DSS GUY LOL $$$$$ Viewsat push push push.

You all know he is a sales rep for Viewsat right????:lol::lol:

just to let everyone know... the smart card slot on the Xtreme and Ultra etc etc can be used for Ethernet... so when you here the VS network model this is all about business and not capability...

For those that are not convinced... here is an Ethernet card... for all receivers that support a CAM card today.

I'm no wealth of knowledge here being a newbie, but I read a lot post very little, lol. So I'm learning....

Wouldn't it make sense for VS to manufacture some kind of IKS solution that would be supported in a CAM slot like the 2000 has? After all as a business you wouldn't lose your customer base, especially those that have recently purchased new units. It's all about business and keeping it sustainable and growing it.

I also agree with IKS has as an option is legal... for the automatic update of factory bins. That's perfectly legal if you are a re true tester.

a new generation of STB with Ethernet ports built in to provide IKS would profit STB suppliers more than supporting existing solutions using CAM or serial port type interfaces...

However, one could imagine that - if the source for older units became available, some hobbyist would surely offer up a CAM card solution... just as EMU has taken its place using today's provider STB units...

a new generation of STB with Ethernet ports built in to provide IKS would profit STB suppliers more than supporting existing solutions using CAM or serial port type interfaces...

However, one could imagine that - if the source for older units became available, some hobbyist would surely offer up a CAM card solution... just as EMU has taken its place using today's provider STB units...

But if they were able to utilize e-net via the CAM slot, that would be interesting as well as was posted earlier in this thread. They would still make money selling them. And keep brand loyalty in the customer base.

Were there is money to be made someone will come up with a solution. That's what's driving EMU.