ok i put this in the rumours section it is a c/p from another site and at this time i cannot verify:

- DN had finally launched their massive upgrade
- They are moving very fast with a new strategy
- Right now they are running a parallel frequency with exact same program. I was able to intercept both frequencies. and man oh man they are very good.
- The primry service can be easly decyphered using spoof bin programs. But the parallel won't
Thi s can only mean one thing and one thing only.

I have been watching this activity for nearly 3 months and I did speak about it 3 weeks ago. In a thread called "Attention FTA users" What I see now is very fast development. THE END IS NEAR.

You guys know me I would never report false information. King would never post false claims. This is how you can check for yourself. At about 1000 kHz for every channel there is an identical channel with same exact EPG and subcode. If you do blind scan you'll get doubles of everything. One good channel other no audio or video or even signal. No new bin will solve it. This is different. TRUST ME

So the bottom line is how long until they turn off the light?. I say 2 weeks to 3 months as an educated guess depending on completing their unknown tests.

This report is for real. No joke no prank
Exactly how long is anyone's guess and can not be avoided. At least you got my notice.

I would like to verify this isn't an april fools joke.. this is a real threat

It's not an april fools joke. This was posted in Ecoustics, but there is no validity to or confirmation of this info... Take it for what it's worth... Not the first time this comes up and the person who posted this also posted about 5 months ago that he would crack DTV... Still waiting on that one.

haha yea thats true.. but yea of course its still considered a rumor..

Not to mention the person who posted this at Ecoustics also says that he pays for his sub and never uses a modified FTA receiver. Yeah right!!!!!!

From what I see at this end- they are creeping up on a resolution to exclude all testing. They are now in the process of putting out false keys and changing keys so that all auto-roll functions will be of no use. We seem to be going the way of DTV.

Didn't DN do that once before, sending out false keys.No one knows exactly what DN is up to, only time will tell.For now, enjoy tv.

Well we just have to keep this a rumor, when the real thing comes up then we believe.right now just keep on testing and enjoy the ride.this is just my take.. and if the end is near, well all those fta receivers sellers will do everything to keep their stb running to sell more boxes. it is just a plain business

But they will be a thorn in our side, and keep trying to get us to "Buy the cow".

Do you have the link to this thread would like to read it at the source, I'm over at Ecoustics but have never seen the thread!

Original post is over 4 months old. Its probably buried in ecoustics.

I was told that bev is going DV4 and that there will be a converter from DV4 to DV3 so the fta's still work

Wouldn't it seem likely that if they came out with a big change it would effect the cards of those who are subbing? I know that some people are having a problem now with all the key changes. I would think the time to panic is when you hear of DN or BEV sending out new cards.

ok i put this in the rumours section it is a c/p from another site and at this time i cannot verify:

- DN had finally launched their massive upgrade
- They are moving very fast with a new strategy
- Right now they are running a parallel frequency with exact same program. I was able to intercept both frequencies. and man oh man they are very good.
- The primry service can be easly decyphered using spoof bin programs. But the parallel won't
Thi s can only mean one thing and one thing only.

I have been watching this activity for nearly 3 months and I did speak about it 3 weeks ago. In a thread called "Attention FTA users" What I see now is very fast development. THE END IS NEAR.

You guys know me I would never report false information. King would never post false claims. This is how you can check for yourself. At about 1000 kHz for every channel there is an identical channel with same exact EPG and subcode. If you do blind scan you'll get doubles of everything. One good channel other no audio or video or even signal. No new bin will solve it. This is different. TRUST ME

So the bottom line is how long until they turn off the light?. I say 2 weeks to 3 months as an educated guess depending on completing their unknown tests.

This report is for real. No joke no prank
Exactly how long is anyone's guess and can not be avoided. At least you got my notice.

Though I have not been testing as long as many of you have, I'd like to throw in my two cents. The issue listed above about having duplicate channels may or may not mean anything. While initially setting up my Pansat 2800 with dual Legacy on Echo 7 and 8.6, and a third LNB on Nimiq2 I too was getting duplicate channels, sometimes even as many as four of the same channel. I had posted a question back then about the differences between Echo 8.6 and echo 8.10, but no one had any input or answers. What I found out was that 8.6 and 8.10 are actually 2 birds each. Naturally Echo 8, but also Echo 6 and Echo 10, hence 8.6(8 and 6) and 8.10(8 and 10). Now, I only test Pansats, so I do not know if this is the same as anyone elses circumstances, but I was able to get the same channels on all 3 echo birds, some with better signal, some with better sound, and some with better picture. I simply picked the ones I wanted and deleted the rest. The seperation angle between Echo 6 and Echo 10 in my area is only about 2 degrees of skew and less than 3 degrees of lateral movement, so I had a hard time differentiating between them at first. Another reason that the other individual may be getting duplicates without picture or sound is DN's upgrade to HighDef. It seems that they are trying to integrate HD signals onto their low def birds.

hijo i smell dedos
good evenning everyone

i have been getting double channels on bev. one good one no video and no sound. is this what he is referring too?

fta is going to die for a looooooooooooooong time with the changes that dn/bv is doing right now ,fta will take a long time to get back up from this remember the 4 months fta was down well looks like 1 year or more so guys start buying your rom cards before prices start to go UP my 2cents.

fta is going to die for a looooooooooooooong time with the changes that dn/bv is doing right now ,fta will take a long time to get back up from this remember the 4 months fta was down well looks like 1 year or more so guys start buying your rom cards before prices start to go UP my 2cents.

LOL...The sky is falling.....these post crack me up!!

04 02 07 LOL .... this thread needs to be closed cause buddy is WRONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG .... this is 6months old, nice try in your stream reading .. but ummm your wrong ... we can all sit here and take "educated" guesses, but it doesnt mean its true and when somehting does hit, i certainly wont be remembering this post and saying ... ya ya that guy was right .....

i wont close this thread but i totally encourage that it be closed ... i can hardly beleive i wasted my time replying to this ....

ok i put this in the rumours section it is a c/p from another site and at this time i cannot verify:

- DN had finally launched their massive upgrade
- They are moving very fast with a new strategy
- Right now they are running a parallel frequency with exact same program. I was able to intercept both frequencies. and man oh man they are very good.
- The primry service can be easly decyphered using spoof bin programs. But the parallel won't
Thi s can only mean one thing and one thing only.

I have been watching this activity for nearly 3 months and I did speak about it 3 weeks ago. In a thread called "Attention FTA users" What I see now is very fast development. THE END IS NEAR.

You guys know me I would never report false information. King would never post false claims. This is how you can check for yourself. At about 1000 kHz for every channel there is an identical channel with same exact EPG and subcode. If you do blind scan you'll get doubles of everything. One good channel other no audio or video or even signal. No new bin will solve it. This is different. TRUST ME

So the bottom line is how long until they turn off the light?. I say 2 weeks to 3 months as an educated guess depending on completing their unknown tests.

This report is for real. No joke no prank
Exactly how long is anyone's guess and can not be avoided. At least you got my notice.

I had expirience the same as you said but even longer time before & problably that's thier testing to, don't alarm, let them trow it , and it will decyph soon !!!

I had expirience the same as you said but even longer time before & problably that's thier testing to, don't alarm, let them trow it , and it will decyph soon !!!did you work for dish network?? maybe its true or maybe its not? but i always beleive that the coders are always one step ahead & your post makes me laugh!!!:rolleyes:

what makes me laugh about this is that dish & bev are so upset about what the fta's can do they are spending alot of money & the cost will be passed on to the subcriber in raises fees, bless all the coders that are out there, they can try their best & always the coders win out everytime maybe dish & bev are giving up?? really weird that this has started when bev tried their so called rev248 & dish doing something else, overall iam laughing about the whole thing I guess we do have spies for dish & bev here & on other sites, now I will be waiting for either dish or bev for a meltdown lol=) happy testing to all

Glass half full, or Glass Half empty?
Don't kill the goose that lays the golden egg!
Why buy a cow, if you get the milk for free!

The above witticism's are all applicable, depending on your point of view. But one thing for sure, it will change, it has to. This "Hobby", and cottage industry is expanding exponentally.

I totally agree with you there will be a change but all the coders in the world will be one step ahead for all Receivers Fta included enjoying watching TV & learning all the tricks of the hobby really enjoy it!!!:)

Well there you have it, a new memeber knows the show.... Oh well, thank god for the Mods, and Super mods of this site keeping things straight.

Hearing this rumor reminds me of cable's black box. When you can by a box that can decrypt the premium channels with analog cable. And now cable won by going digital and making the black box obsolete. Will the fta receiver be the next black box? If so, I can almost guarantee that a new receiver will come out to adjust to DN changes...

Well, like Chicken Little said - "the sky is falling" hmmmmm... maybe. Time will tell. A rumour is a rumour isnt it?

Well, like Chicken Little said - "the sky is falling" hmmmmm... maybe. Time will tell. A rumour is a rumour isnt it?

Yes, onless it comes true. Then it is a prophecy, that came true.

I sure hope the end isn't near!

People let us all continue to enjoy so called Free tv while it last and remember let us all not talk too loud as well..........

what i don't get is that dn has over 13 million subs paying outrageously stupid amounts for their packages and they want to spend millions because there are maybe around a million people (supposedly) getting their channels for free...

does anyone know when and if Bell is switching to Mpeg-4?

does anyone know when and if Bell is switching to Mpeg-4?

They are testing MP4 channels on B^v and D8sh as we speak noticed them com up on my friends CW3000 and 8 to 10 channels for testing that can be viewed next time I am there I will grab the channel numbers and so other can view them. Estimated given is that Bev is liquidated oldre MP2 receivers in order to bring out the new one leaving people to either pay an upgrade fee or pay outright for the new Mp4 boxes....

in response to targeted,everything dish does, is through a signal, so if they arn't physicaly replacing paying customers boxes, than we are all in the same boat. We have the best decoders ever, and anything that gets altered by a signal, can be decoded, and fixed

It would cost them way to much money to replace every box out there! So i guess we are in good shape for some time.

Nice rumour . Let's hope it isn't true.

Satellite Broadcasters like DirecTV and the DVB have adopted MPEG-4 for the delivery of digital television because of its quality at lower data rates. This means that they can offer more channels to their subscribers with the same bandwidth.

Everyone’s a Winner
MPEG-4 provides an open playing field. As an open industry standard, anyone can create an MPEG-4 player or encoder that will work with other manufacturers’ devices.

Well i took this from the apple website that you game, and this makes it seem as thought receivers should be able to receive mpeg-4 and handle it bcuz its a lower data rate, so how could something not be able to process something small than the file it processed b4. Just like u can download a new codec for video on your computer why cant a FTA reciever be programmed to do the same thing?

Well i took this from the apple website that you game, and this makes it seem as thought receivers should be able to receive mpeg-4 and handle it bcuz its a lower data rate, so how could something not be able to process something small than the file it processed b4. Just like u can download a new codec for video on your computer why cant a FTA reciever be programmed to do the same thing?


mpeg4 files are alot more heavily compressed than their mpeg2 counterparts......so yes the files are smaller..but require more processing power which is the reason for the new fta recievers.

rumor has it that dn is sliding a new sat into the 119 slot and will move the sat there now to 148 position
all this off and on with the programs is because of trying to initiate the new sat , which will be working good in first of the year2008
also they are trying to work the new mpeg 4 program
the reason you are getting two of each channels is because there are two sats near each other and are both turned on
when you do a blind scan it sets up two transponders with the same channels
fta recievers cant select one seperately
the new sat was moved near the old one starting in or around april 2007
it was moved about 2 degrees a day the old sat will be used for backup and to beam sat to western us

also direct tv has had some problems with hdtv and cancelled some broadcasting hdtv
seems to be a problem that is to be turned over to other sats
nagra may be merged with another company
that is the rumor
good luck

Is this still true? I just got set up and might change my mind if it's not going to work.

reply to original :that is why we call it testing if its targeted thats fine im shure their will be many other targets so sit back enjoy and get your popcorn ready because nothing is for shure except death and taxes happy testing to all

It would cost them way to much money to replace every box out there! So i guess we are in good shape for some time.

My brother in NY is still using DN 2800 receiver. Whenever DN recall that receiver to give him an upgraded receiver is when I will start to rally worry.

04 02 07 LOL .... this thread needs to be closed cause buddy is WRONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG .... this is 6months old, nice try in your stream reading .. but ummm your wrong ... we can all sit here and take "educated" guesses, but it doesnt mean its true and when somehting does hit, i certainly wont be remembering this post and saying ... ya ya that guy was right .....

i wont close this thread but i totally encourage that it be closed ... i can hardly beleive i wasted my time replying to this ....

when i posted this thread i posted it in the rumours section for a reason,it is not meant to be one of those "oh the sky is falling" posts" i dont go for that crap either.just speculation,there seems to be a lot of different responses and opinions.take it for what it is a rumour.........;)

ok i put this in the rumours section it is a c/p from another site and at this time i cannot verify:

- DN had finally launched their massive upgrade
- They are moving very fast with a new strategy
- Right now they are running a parallel frequency with exact same program. I was able to intercept both frequencies. and man oh man they are very good.
- The primry service can be easly decyphered using spoof bin programs. But the parallel won't
Thi s can only mean one thing and one thing only.

I have been watching this activity for nearly 3 months and I did speak about it 3 weeks ago. In a thread called "Attention FTA users" What I see now is very fast development. THE END IS NEAR.

You guys know me I would never report false information. King would never post false claims. This is how you can check for yourself. At about 1000 kHz for every channel there is an identical channel with same exact EPG and subcode. If you do blind scan you'll get doubles of everything. One good channel other no audio or video or even signal. No new bin will solve it. This is different. TRUST ME

So the bottom line is how long until they turn off the light?. I say 2 weeks to 3 months as an educated guess depending on completing their unknown tests.

This report is for real. No joke no prank
Exactly how long is anyone's guess and can not be avoided. At least you got my notice.

You only "scan" your channels. When I read if you blind scan I knew the post/thread was a "joke", lol.

This may help;
Differance between a blind and a Standard Scan http://www.ftabins.net/showthread.php?t=1691

thanks for keeping us informed

I have some news that pertains to this post....... One of my good friends from microsoft has been working on a large contract with formaly "SBC" now "AT&N" for over 9 months with their big hush, hush tv programming devlopment. It started as a " live streaming" tv service over "pppoe" point to point protical over eithernet. Basically like a ondemand tv service over the internet. Then he told me it had morphed into a digital live streaming with a line up of channels and programming, and the last thing I reciently heard from him is that DN which ATNT had or at the time was about to aquire DN would incorperate DN with this new HD live streaming and on demand channel line up that was being devloped.
From what he has told me the security would be much tighter because of the "contracts" with microsoft for their interactive media room software that would be available remote via DN. So take it for what it is worth. He is a extremely reliable source and has no reason to lie to me concidering he doesnt even know Im a FTA tester lol

well the easiest way to get everyone to sub would just make it so all receivers needed a connection back to the source either though phone, cell or ethernet. by what ohio is saying looks like that is the way they are going.

But we all have to realize that any switch in the system will come at a high cost to them too so we might have some time while they switch out the old receivers

well the easiest way to get everyone to sub would just make it so all receivers needed a connection back to the source either though phone, cell or ethernet. by what ohio is saying looks like that is the way they are going.

But we all have to realize that any switch in the system will come at a high cost to them too so we might have some time while they switch out the old receivers

Completely True, but with the backing of a parent company as large as At&t, I dont think money will be a issue.

In my opinion this hasnt been said yet but needs to be!

Testers not just here but all over the world have several traits in common.
We rebel against the man, and are not conformist, free spirits if you will. There will alway be people with this view.

I have been told that " you do fta because your CHEAP, you dont want to pay for tv programming" This is not the case, because the equiptment that is used is not cheap! Always upgrading, LNB's ECT.. ETC...ETC.. ETC.. my list goes on and on, and That doesnt include my time, and my time is extremely valuable. I have so much money wrapped up in this hobby that I could pay for service for quite sometime, and still pay for service too on top of my hobby, and Im sure other people have much much more money wrapped up in it than me. Because of the the type of people we all are we will never quit, they will come out with new encryption, and we will always figure out a way around it. Thats just what we do, so enjoy it while you can cause someday it may be harder to do than it is now.

Here's the thing as with all "spoof Bins" or decoder files as i call them, they are always being updated and even if the dual stream frequency will be used i am sure that a fix for that would be made, wheater an upgrade to the firmware or an additional slot for there dual srteam... Nothing is impossible, common guys.....

No everyone of their customers will be local to make the call without long distance. Even dial internet providers do not have POP's in all places in the US and Canada. They would have to use a 1-800 number which Dish would have to pay for, and that is not cheap. I don't see this happening. And what if you are a customer, and don't have an internet connection...Don't see it.

I don't believe for a second that FTA will ever be dead period.. Think about it - The MFGs of receivers n dealers n wholesalers have thousands , maybe millions of units sitting on the shelves in warehouses n stores waiting to be moved or sold.. The only reason that they sell good is because of the ability to hack the codes , keys, n whatever it takes to have FULL TV channels NOT just free to air channels. FTA might ecm for some reason like map57 but will come back every time.. It may take time n money but FTA is here to stay.. My 2 cents..

It will be up & running...keep the faith with FTA...this is attached price.. bear it or buy monthly subscription with few channels either you like it or not...

BEV is up! PPV and sports (xxx) open white....
loooool.

BEV is up! PPV and sports (xxx) working...
looool.