ECM Rumor, A LARGE change in the data stream

This is a C/P of A Rumor floating around..it has been a long time since Bev and Dish threw a curve our way..I tend to lean towards this info...what about you?

Bev and Charlie are increasing the length of CMD07. At the moment,BEV has increased the length of the CMD07 packet to 104 bytes (from the
previous 72). The extra bytes are not doing anything at the moment, but you can bet they will do something very soon.
Charlie seems to be taking a different approach: He injects the longer CMD07 once in a while and removes it. Most likely some kind of testing
going on. Regardless, major changes are coming soon.
A few possibilities:
1. They may be moving to 768bit RSA on the CMD07 from the previous 512bit. If so, Atmegas should finally be gone. The decryption timeswill be too damn tight - and x-15 had given them highly optimized code to begin with. As for Enigma, I can easily double-up the speed in hardware and got tonnes of space for more optimized 768-bit RSA. I don't know how many FTAs can survive the new speed requirements. You see, the Enigma has 15 seconds to compute the control words - but it doesn't do anything else. Whereas, an FTA unit has to multitask and keep the screen live and not crash while calculating the control words. My guess is that the higher end models @300MHz will survice. Low-endmodels like Pansat2500 running at 90MHz won't make it. CEMU should survive too if using a PC greater than 300MHz. Armulator should make it.
2. The other aspect of this is the fact that the extra payload data in CMD07 will surely be used in the new decryption algorithm of CMD1C. Ifthis happens, and a secret key is chosen from IRD firmware, only Echostar IRDs should continue to function. That should nail the coffin shut on FTA.
This ECM will be HUGE. end C/P

Ouch, if this turns out to be true alot of people will be shit out of luck.

Sounds like BL and Pansat are trying to sell some more newer receivers to me...LOL..I don't think the sky is falling, but I do think somebody's trying to fill their pockets!...we've all heard this BS before...and if its true, the TRUE great code teams will counter it..

There have been previous rumors, about large ECM's; However, IF - the data stream is changing, there is a reason for it. IF - the provider uses a more computing intensive de-coding, the coders would find a work around, but would stress or elminate the older slower receivers, FTA receiver manufactures would fill their pockets.
We are on the "reverse engineering" end, which is the easyest, as the provider has to re-program millions of customers that have many receiver manufactures and those manufactures have many models. The ECM and all those receivers must all work in harmony. As when a ECM is sent it effects all subscribers, and not everthing goes as planned, so the providers service department has a night-mare week or two. The subscribers that the ECM screws up their reception are PO'ed, and they loose a pre-calculated subscriber base.
So IF - the provider does a ECM, it will be a large one with allot of preparation on their part, I think that they learned their lesson on last years 'BIG' ECM. One of two things will happen with FTA, it will continue with a new crack, with possibly DTV or End of FTA! There is to much money being made and lost in this "cottage industry". If the providers can not control the FTA with ECM's they will go after changing the laws to outlaw FTA, as that has worked in the past, but is the most expensive to do and use.

My opinion - Grandpooba - AKA "Chicken Little"

Sounds like BL and Pansat are trying to sell some more newer receivers to me...LOL

Not just BL/Pansat.. hell I'm down for an ECM, bring it *****es :)

Not just BL/Pansat.. hell I'm down for an ECM, bring it *****es :)

LMAO... It has been kind of quiet. Lets make some noise....

This is posted from Mili at his site I dont know but its the only site talking about it.????????????????

So do you mean "It is just a Rumor"? - DAMN!

Not so sure if its a rumor.. there may be truth to it.. some reports of people have problems with atmega's already..

So do you mean "It is just a Rumor"? - DAMN!

Its on his front page not in the rumor section so I dont know there is no one showing any thing????

Yes there is one other place I have seen reporting atmega having prolems and that there is "something" going on in the stream... this threat may be more real then anyone might have thought. Also, Mili usually is faster and more experienced with being able to identify what exactly is going on/what will happen.

They're pushing the "Enigma", whatever that is....must be some sort of new receiver or box that decrypts the signals... (the military used one years ago for decoding messages)....business 101...scare the people into buying your product...and Mili always has a new "get rich" product he's selling, thats his M.O...I thought he went down when he got busted with the sub sharing packages he was selling...

Changes in the stream are common, DN is always testing various new methods and techniques...

The "Enigma Machine" was a uncrackable message encoding/decoding machine used by the Germans WWII

Other countries also used Enigma machines. The Italian Navy adopted the commercial Enigma as "Navy Cipher D"; the Spanish also used commercial Enigma during their Civil War. British codebreakers succeeded in breaking these machines, which lacked a plugboard. The Swiss used a version of Enigma called model K or Swiss K for military and diplomatic use, which was very similar to the commercial Enigma D. The machine was broken by a number of parties, including Poland, France, Britain and the United States (the latter codenamed it INDIGO). An Enigma T model (codenamed Tirpitz) was manufactured for use by the Japanese.


It has been estimated that 100,000 Enigma machines were constructed. After the end of the Second World War, the Allies sold captured Enigma machines, still widely considered secure, to a number of developing countries..

Occasionally, Enigma machines are sold at auction; prices of US $20,000 are not unusual.

Replicas of the machine are available in various forms, including an exact reconstructed copy of the Naval M4 model, an Enigma implemented in electronics (Enigma-E), various computer software simulators and paper-and-scissors analogues..

Thanks for that update on the Enigma machine, I was going from memory from watching a program on the history channel.
If this ECM hits, hopefully we may have hundreds of thousands "Enigma" decoders.

They're pushing the "Enigma", whatever that is....must be some sort of new receiver or box that decrypts the signals... (the military used one years ago for decoding messages)....business 101...scare the people into buying your product...and Mili always has a new "get rich" product he's selling, thats his M.O...I thought he went down when he got busted with the sub sharing packages he was selling...

Changes in the stream are common, DN is always testing various new methods and techniques...

the ENIGMA is a card simmilar to the syndrome.when it first came out it was called the enima card the support was up in the air for a while but from what i have read on the card it works rather well.just another testing device

If it's a card and it is something they are going to, they have not made it public to their subscribers and most of their receivers are cardless...

Does that mean we are clueless?

It seems the consensus on other sites is that this rumour is scare tactics by those flogging the enema cards. Whether there is something in the stream to hurt us, remains to be seen, but it appears to me to be an attempt to push another soon to be worthless card upon us. And the important thing, is if Milli is selling it or pushing it, you know it will go bye bye and be replaced by some other "super duper" card. Gotta keep the cash flow coming in.

Does that mean we are clueless?

LMAO Grandpooba! Are we there yet???

Acid - I agree!

LMAO...Mili's reputation precedes him again...some things NEVER change!....LOL

Thanks 2Bseen for confirming what was suspected...and being somewhat specific about THIS enigma ...obviosly most of us are/were "clueless" to this new scam...uum, I mean "product"....lol




hey PRFRMNJ...hows your honey nalin...I'm so distraught U took her away from me....LMAO

SZOT - LMAO... Tell her I said hello...

Lets look at FTA from the "Providers" stand point. How many friends, relatives etc. have you helped install FTA in the past year? How many new FTA sites have started in the past year, with how many new members, and growing.
So to the providers, FTA is more than a minor anoyance, and it is growing exponentially, and it is getting BIG. The providers are losing BIG, and they have to stop the bleeding. How? The lowest cost are ECM's, but so far they have been a miserable failure. The "autoroll" as made the key changes less than a minor anoyance. The "Large" ECM a year ago was the "death nell" of FTA, yes, for 4 weeks! So what are the other options? Change the encoding scheme (again), Go to the same, or a knock off of the system Direct has, as they have not been cracked. Go to large and complex encoding? This is the most likely choice. I think that the providers are testing and prepairing this and as soon as all the preparation is done, the hammer will drop. To counter this, there is allot of money to be made with the FTA receivers, quick fixes, and faster boxes. It is a interesting race,and if FTA wins, we could be killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. But they will not go down with out a fight.

- Grandpooba -

That's an interesting way to put it. They have been profesing the death of FTA forever and a day! I posted once here, that when all else fails and DN can't find a way to deal the final blow to FTA they would find a way to share the loss and what I believed would happen was that they would find a way to leak the VideoGuard encription... It's dollars & cents... This is my humble opinion, so please don't misunderstand me or state this as a fact. It is just my belief.

No doubt Mili is trying to make money, but I am also sure he is more then aware of whats really going on more then anyone out there.. even if he tells the truth or not..

I think we are well on our way "There". The data stream change was a ECM test that had failed, so they had no other feasable ECM options, they had to go the more costly and risky legal option.

I think we are well on our way "There". The data stream change was a ECM test that had failed, so they had no other feasable ECM options, they had to go the more costly and risky legal option.

there is a change in the data stream,cmd07 is now 96 bytes for ExpressVU. Dish is still using 64 bytes, but they will follow soon enough.so maybe they are doing both legal action and a ecm....

so maybe they are doing both legal action and a ecm....

Of course, neutralize Viewsat and its coders and bring down a large ECM, who will be able to rectify a large and catastrophic ECM? Someone will be needed to step up to the plate.

They are using some very good bait on their "fishing" trip. What better bait to use then an ECM. Linking coders to companies never could be easier. :\

i would not worry aboout any one hiding their head in the sand that is why all files say use at your own risk a file can be uploaded from any where in the world out of dicks jurisdiction or the USA thats the beauty of the net if one knows what to do and how to bounce signals all across the planet uploading it into opensource where anyone can find it who knows where it came from these are very skilled hackers and times are hard believe me they will find a way to get PAID hell the file could even come from a third world country or from dick himself who knows so i say enough speculation let it come i have a c band and it still rocks