If some one is woried about getting busted for FTA all the have to do is pay for basic service. that is what I did when I was hacking D_V the feds came to my house they cant touch you just ask ? :P:clap:

lol I would just say "I dont know what ya'll are talking about. I do nothing wrong and I saw nothing...nothing "

DENY DENY DENY is the key

But, still a good idea as a backup anyway

As long as there are free channels like Sky Angel and NASA, the feds have no reason to come to your house. If they do show up, it would be to arrest you and sieze your equipment because someone ratted you out. So denial is moot. That said, they would have to have proof that you were intercepting an encrypted signal. Simply being aimed at a bird is like owning a fast car. Just because you can speed don't mean anything unless observed speeding. :)

The best way to avoid problems is to not advertise you are testing encrypted signals. It's tempting to tell friends, co-workers, neighbors, etc. Do not use your knowledge to make a quick buck doing setups for strangers etc. All it takes is one person to make a call & game over.

their is no law against installing fta system if it is used for original purpose true fta it only becomes dicey when you install 3rd party software so lets get it right fta GOOD 3rd party software BAAAAAAD

You Folks south of the border are so paranoid, relax Push is on his way out the time of peace and love and flower power is coming back.:lol:
Up here (Brampton Ont) almost every house and I’m not egsadurating has, let me see …..At least 4 dishes on their house pointing at every direction.
And Bell knows what people are doing with them it’s just they can’t do any thing about it except changing the signal. It’s not illegal to catch a signal
In the air, But it is illegal to catch it and distribute it.:v:

HI Just leave some Dounuts out and you should be good to go. lol. And after all!they get over it...:)

admit nothing. deny everything. demand proof.

admit nothing. deny everything. demand proof.

Great quote !!!!

You Folks south of the border are so paranoid, relax Push is on his way out the time of peace and love and flower power is coming back.:lol:
Up here (Brampton Ont) almost every house and I’m not egsadurating has, let me see …..At least 4 dishes on their house pointing at every direction.
And Bell knows what people are doing with them it’s just they can’t do any thing about it except changing the signal. It’s not illegal to catch a signal
In the air, But it is illegal to catch it and distribute it.:v:

You're right on the money !!!!

what what i don`t know it was here when i rented this place

it's hard to keep your mouth shut when you're talking to your friends. the hardest thing about fta is knowing when to keep your mouth shut. i have friends with no money, and it's all i can do to stop from just installing a whole fta system for them for free, not to mention blabbing on and on about fta. but you know one word in the wrong place and your goose is cooked. i decided i am going to install one true fta system for free though for one of my friends, with whatever spare parts i've got lying around, when i get the spare cash to buy a few more things (like a cs 6000 and some RG6 coax).

it's hard to be a hard gangsta :)

You Folks south of the border are so paranoid, relax Push is on his way out the time of peace and love and flower power is coming back.:lol:
Up here (Brampton Ont) almost every house and I’m not egsadurating has, let me see …..At least 4 dishes on their house pointing at every direction.
And Bell knows what people are doing with them it’s just they can’t do any thing about it except changing the signal. It’s not illegal to catch a signal
In the air, But it is illegal to catch it and distribute it.:v:

When all else failed they use terror, that is, they paid our politicians to pass a law (it is a federal law) to make it illegal to receive a signal that comes down on the public airwaves, free speech but no free listening :confused:
This law hasn’t been tested in court and no one can afford the legal fee, lawyers trying federal law cases take no prisoners and that was the purpose of the law, terrorize them to keep them away.
I understand it should be illegal to distribute it, it makes sense, but I don’t think it is illegal to show your friend how to do it

Have you folks in Canada got that satelite problem fixed yet? I haven't been able to use it in Indiana for over a month..... Just wondering what happened any way...

correct it's not illigal to show someone how to set up a fta box, Since it's not illigla to sell
One , If it was illigal to sale FTA recivers then it's a diffirent story.:thmbup:

Have you folks in Canada got that satelite problem fixed yet? I haven't been able to use it in Indiana for over a month..... Just wondering what happened any way...

Dude you’re missing your Venus channels, Wonder which one is it 6 or 7, don’t worry
As soon diknet swiches to N3 new hardware or software will be available for everyone.
Until then no Canadian action for you.:evil:

on nfusion flash factory bin via webloader and factory default receiver in less then 30 seconds they cant do shi^t to ya

Great comment Ruuube !!!

I didn't think you needed to hack FTA. I thought the signal was free. I enjoy watching my NASA channel. So why would you need to stayout of jail?

Nobody said Charlie would give you jail time. You need to read more closly. The thread simply says stay out of jail. And for what it is worth, Interception of an encrypted signal is a federal offense punnishable up to ten years and $50,000 fine. I suggest you read the federal code before you step in your own words. Just because the feds havn't been prosecuting don't mean they never will. There was no reason to call anyone dumb and or stupid. Also no reason to tell anyone to STFU. Especially since you mention that you got caught in the past! Supporter or no, In my humble opinion you talk trash with words like that and hurt the community in general. Have a great day!

And I was having fun reading all the peoples ideas too! ;)

Nobody said Charlie would give you jail time. You need to read more closly. The thread simply says stay out of jail. And for what it is worth, Interception of an encrypted signal is a federal offense punnishable up to ten years and $50,000 fine. I suggest you read the federal code before you step in your own words. Just because the feds havn't been prosecuting don't mean they never will. There was no reason to call anyone dumb and or stupid. Also no reason to tell anyone to STFU. Especially since you mention that you got caught in the past! Supporter or no, In my humble opinion you talk trash with words like that and hurt the community in general. Have a great day!

And I was having fun reading all the peoples ideas too! ;)

great posts and well said!!!!! need more people with that attitude, sure would be a friendlyer place to visit

I think this is the section you are referencing 47 U.S.C. 605. Unauthorized Publication or Use of Communications. I think the key words are for "commercial advantage or private financial gain".

Any person who violates subsection (a) of this section willfully and for purposes of direct or indirect commercial advantage or private financial gain shall be fined not more than $50,000 or imprisoned for not more than 2 years, or both, for the first such conviction and shall be fined not more than $100,000 or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both, for any subsequent conviction.

I think this is the section you are referencing 47 U.S.C. 605. Unauthorized Publication or Use of Communications. I think the key words are for "commercial advantage or private financial gain".

Any person who violates subsection (a) of this section willfully and for purposes of direct or indirect commercial advantage or private financial gain shall be fined not more than $50,000 or imprisoned for not more than 2 years, or both, for the first such conviction and shall be fined not more than $100,000 or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both, for any subsequent conviction.

Correct. We as end users are under the "Private" financial gain catagory as end users. That is why we as end users ar not of intrest to the feds. They couldn't mount enough resources to investigate the thousands out there. Barly be able to scratch the surface. Consider that our edge. :) My point was that it is a prisonable offense. Not that it will lead to that.

I agree. They have a much larger gain to go after the big fish first. They define a person as the end user that is intercepting for their own personell use. As for the "person" (end user) i beleive it states that:

Any person who willfully violates subsection (a) of this section shall be fined not more than $2,000 or imprisoned for not more than 6 months, or both.

I wish everybody gets along and has fun watching the NASA channell.

admit nothing. deny everything. demand proof.

I just love this!!!!!

well i cant tell anyone about the usa but i do know about canada first hand.
here it doesnt mean squat whether you are a big fish or a lil mom and pop hacker watching ppv, if you are reported on by anyone the police have no choice but to investigate.
how far the investigation goes depends on how busy or how bored the cop is.
never assume you are too unimportant for them to poke into your buisness, chances are you will possibly see the inside of a courthouse with that belief.
i did.

Guy You Know Its True...

Have had Bev guys and rogers guys at the house...they know what is going on but are powerless to do anything...they know not to ask questions also.

Nobody said Charlie would give you jail time. You need to read more closly. The thread simply says stay out of jail. And for what it is worth, Interception of an encrypted signal is a federal offense punnishable up to ten years and $50,000 fine. I suggest you read the federal code before you step in your own words. Just because the feds havn't been prosecuting don't mean they never will. There was no reason to call anyone dumb and or stupid. Also no reason to tell anyone to STFU. Especially since you mention that you got caught in the past! Supporter or no, In my humble opinion you talk trash with words like that and hurt the community in general. Have a great day!

And I was having fun reading all the peoples ideas too! ;)

MR. Stone....excellent and very well said......my sentiments exactly .....please don't antagonize anyone looking for trouble or you might find what you are looking for...you piss these guys off and they will be gunning for you and when that happens, please tell them you don't know me.....Thanks....
Tony

well i cant tell anyone about the usa but i do know about canada first hand.
here it doesnt mean squat whether you are a big fish or a lil mom and pop hacker watching ppv, if you are reported on by anyone the police have no choice but to investigate.
how far the investigation goes depends on how busy or how bored the cop is.
never assume you are too unimportant for them to poke into your buisness, chances are you will possibly see the inside of a courthouse with that belief.
i did.

Keith...you are 100% correct......once someone reports you and a file was made out, then the police have no choice but to investigate and follow through....
Tony

Guy You Know Its True...

Have had Bev guys and rogers guys at the house...they know what is going on but are powerless to do anything...they know not to ask questions also.

lmao they are powerless and know not to ask questions?
well you better thank your lucky stars they didnt want to report you.
in the best case senario once reported the rcmp raid your house and if you just have american sat hacked they just seize all.
explain that to your neighbors.

[QUOTE=keith1612;353646]well i cant tell anyone about the usa but i do know about canada first hand.
here it doesnt mean squat whether you are a big fish or a lil mom and pop hacker watching ppv, if you are reported on by anyone the police have no choice but to investigate.QUOTE]

I find it dificult to believe, a cop comes to your house and sees a bunch of cables and equipment, what does he know what is what??
In my opinion before the police comes to your house some experts must convince a judge to isue a search warant so the police will come for an arrest not for an investigation.

in the usa ..the police dont need a warrent....thay can do what ever thay please thease days....but that the way it goes here in florida....the red coats are coming!!!!!!just lke the olden days...we have no rights No more....back in the ussr

[QUOTE=keith1612;353646]well i cant tell anyone about the usa but i do know about canada first hand.
here it doesnt mean squat whether you are a big fish or a lil mom and pop hacker watching ppv, if you are reported on by anyone the police have no choice but to investigate.QUOTE]

I find it dificult to believe, a cop comes to your house and sees a bunch of cables and equipment, what does he know what is what??
In my opinion before the police comes to your house some experts must convince a judge to isue a search warant so the police will come for an arrest not for an investigation.

ok ill explain this again.
when you are reported to the rcmp they have no choice but to follow up on the report...its law.
now you have 3 dishes on the roof and no sub, ummm do the math.
they can in canada get search warrents on very little and your defense is to fight the warrent after the fact (once they find and have evidence).
hope you have alot of money and time!!
they dont need a credible witness (as in sat employee outside) just a credible rat (as in someone who can convince them they have seen open ppv in your house).

admit nothing. deny everything. demand proof.

I like that.

Best thing is to keep things to yourself and enjoy what you have. Definitely don't brag about testing though.:zipped:

correct it's not illigal to show someone how to set up a fta box, Since it's not illigla to sell
One , If it was illigal to sale FTA recivers then it's a diffirent story.:thmbup:

My buddy does this thing for a living. Sets up FTA for people. However, he says that he is doing it the safe way because all he does is installs the dish, points the dish, and shows his clients how to program the receiver. Is he really out of the laws way?

i dont see whats the big fuss about

i'd say that " that thing was already here when i moved in here"

or thats not mine....i dont even know where it came from
and i dont know if its even on......


lol take a chill pill dudes

:thmbup::thmbup:

i dont see whats the big fuss about

i'd say that " that thing was already here when i moved in here"

or thats not mine....i dont even know where it came from
and i dont know if its even on......


lol take a chill pill dudes

:thmbup::thmbup:

Sounds more like you should take a reality pill.

You are responsible for all the contents of your residence------whether you are renting or own the place.

Pretty hard to use your defence if you are the owner of a newly built home and the 1st owner.

You obviously were not around when D_V launched their civil lawsuits against buyer of unloopers.

Cost most of the folks served in the lawsuits $10,000 US to buy their way out.

GET REAL!! - just blame the "stuff" on Santa Claus, he left it!

I live in Canada and I have been testing for many years and following all the nwes and I never heard of the police showing up at anybodies home because they watched PPV on their FTA. I heard of police busting people who were hacking the cards and selling them. I heard of people selling boxes with the bins already programmed in them and getting busted for that. Never heard of anyone getting busted unless they were selling the service.

You know, it's amazing that you can walk down any street in any town and look at the houses. You will see countless dishes.. Doctors, lawyers, dentists, cops... you name it... all hooked into fta units.. You don't hear of any of these folks being busted. From what information is available it is estimated that in the USA alone there is a huge number of households that have "free tv". Now if the authorities want to start embarking on a crusade to "bust" those folks... just imagine all of the above professional folks who would go to court. The system just could not handle it and they know it.. That's not to say that it will never happen. It just hasn't unless you personally are profiting from sales etc. JMHO. :)

You know, it's amazing that you can walk down any street in any town and look at the houses. You will see countless dishes.. Doctors, lawyers, dentists, cops... you name it... all hooked into fta units.. You don't hear of any of these folks being busted. From what information is available it is estimated that in the USA alone there is a huge number of households that have "free tv". Now if the authorities want to start embarking on a crusade to "bust" those folks... just imagine all of the above professional folks who would go to court. The system just could not handle it and they know it.. That's not to say that it will never happen. It just hasn't unless you personally are profiting from sales etc. JMHO. :)

Right you are. Ask any authorized FTA dealer to load a receiver with any bin, He’ll laugh at your face because it’s illegal but he will still sale it He also not going to ask you whether you’re a ethnic minority since FTA box was only for Mustafa down the street So he could watch Al-gazira at the time of H and HU card.
For as long as you’re not selling and Distributing the modified equipment no one and I don’t care who they are can tell me what I can or can’t watch on TV, I understand that laws are different in Canada then our neighbor to the south but the principals are almost the same Just don’t put a sign outside your house saying your watching Bell or Dishnet for free, Although your dish is doing the talking for you.:v:

If you program your equipment to receive a signal for free that would normally charged or paid for, then you are stealing that signal and are subject to whatever FCC laws and or charges that pertain to that particular infraction.....if you get a signal by programing your receivers and not paying for that signal, that is theft by deception and subject to prosecution under the law.....it's that simple....however, if the powers that be choose not to go after the "small fish in the pond" than you are safe for the time being.....if they choose to go after you, they can even though it would be very costly for them to do so..
Tony

its pretty much impossible for them to go after the average small time home user as long as its kept quiet.
almost every one of my friends have used or are using some sort of free system.
only two have ever been charged for it and both because of the same person who reported to the rcmp to try and buy her way out of charges she had herself.

Ahh yes Keith... It's called the art of careful negotiation:)

its pretty much impossible for them to go after the average small time home user as long as its kept quiet.
almost every one of my friends have used or are using some sort of free system.
only two have ever been charged for it and both because of the same person who reported to the rcmp to try and buy her way out of charges she had herself.

Yes....I agree......that is why you have to be very careful to whom you brag or get close to.....my father taught me many many years ago that the only ones that can hurt you are your friends and family....they are the only ones that know enough about you to do you harm...strangers don't know anything about you so the risk of them causing problems is 0
whereas the friends and family is +100%.......
Tony

If some one is woried about getting busted for FTA all the have to do is pay for basic service. that is what I did when I was hacking D_V the feds came to my house they cant touch you just ask ? :P:clap:



Greeting to everyone,

as my grandmother just to said "don`t let they know at your right hand , what you carry on your left", means use FTA use at your own, even don`t tell to your girlfriend no ones know what happen in a little while... greetings from mexico

:thmbup:

I sell Fta reciever's ,sats,reciever's and I'm allways being asked about hacking so i just point to m big ass sign "Hacking into FTA equipment is Illegal and modify of eqiument kills there warranty". Plus I had out a shit load of info when they purchase so they Know .
But most customer's that I sell to have owned Fta recievers , avr boards etc: and are true Hoobiest and they never ask .
I had had a Bell installer in a couple month's ago *****ing and telling me it's illegal to sell equiment and he was going to report me . So I laughed in His face and polite told him to **** off and get the ****out out of my store.
Here in Canada yes it is illegal to hack into Bell <-- true but think Bell,Shaw,Roger's has no "Legal" right to come into your home and check you out .
There's a few stupid Idiots that do sell hacked equiment and advertise this to the public ..
But then for it to Go to court will cost Bell ,Rogers etc a shit load of money,time Lawyers and a very slim chance of winning her in Canada ,,
But as for Dish/Dave there signals are in Canadian Air Space and that has gone to our Supreme Court of Canada and they were it was shot down .. hahaha
Crap enjoy our Hobby ..My 2 cents

Let's hope hey dop not make an example of you, because they would spend $1 million to make a point

Let's hope hey dop not make an example of you, because they would spend $1 million to make a point

What do you care you live in Japan?Or do you ?:confused:

I sell Fta reciever's ,sats,reciever's and I'm allways being asked about hacking so i just point to m big ass sign "Hacking into FTA equipment is Illegal and modify of eqiument kills there warranty". Plus I had out a shit load of info when they purchase so they Know .
But most customer's that I sell to have owned Fta recievers , avr boards etc: and are true Hoobiest and they never ask .
I had had a Bell installer in a couple month's ago *****ing and telling me it's illegal to sell equiment and he was going to report me . So I laughed in His face and polite told him to **** off and get the ****out out of my store.
Here in Canada yes it is illegal to hack into Bell <-- true but think Bell,Shaw,Roger's has no "Legal" right to come into your home and check you out .
There's a few stupid Idiots that do sell hacked equiment and advertise this to the public ..
But then for it to Go to court will cost Bell ,Rogers etc a shit load of money,time Lawyers and a very slim chance of winning her in Canada ,,
But as for Dish/Dave there signals are in Canadian Air Space and that has gone to our Supreme Court of Canada and they were it was shot down .. hahaha
Crap enjoy our Hobby ..My 2 cents

Interesting take on things...from your viewpoint.....and hopefully no more encounters with any more installers....good luck...
Tony

What do you care you live in Japan?Or do you ?:confused:

They all have to start somewhere and move elsewhere......careful...
Tony

If some one is woried about getting busted for FTA all the have to do is pay for basic service. that is what I did when I was hacking D_V the feds came to my house they cant touch you just ask ? :P:clap:

In this case I play the no english card.
Que es un fta, I friend to me gave and if that doesn't work then fak I need to see a warrant :shifty:

I live in manitoba and my neibour is a n rcmp oficer and he's got three dishes on his house and 4 neosat receivers in his house. He has been running free tv since his they put up his 8 ft c band dish years ago its now gone and replaced with the new. I have never and will never worry about this the risk is small.
Thank for listening...

I live in manitoba and my neibour is a n rcmp oficer and he's got three dishes on his house and 4 neosat receivers in his house. He has been running free tv since his they put up his 8 ft c band dish years ago its now gone and replaced with the new. I have never and will never worry about this the risk is small.
Thank for listening...

Then in this case if u were caught u can snitch the rcmp officer :sly:

no way man that would be a black mark on my record of never tell and i would not want to be at that station with only his friends sepperating us know what I mean...
nice thought though me and a cop charged with the same thing..ha ha ha

no way man that would be a black mark on my record of never tell and i would not want to be at that station with only his friends sepperating us know what I mean...
nice thought though me and a cop charged with the same thing..ha ha ha

:lol:, I'd like to place a bet, $5,000 on the rcmp officer :cool:, nah I would and will never snitch on anyone, what good will that do. I have to install my neighbours sat but dunno if it's worth it since Echo is moving.

I live in manitoba and my neibour is a n rcmp oficer and he's got three dishes on his house and 4 neosat receivers in his house. He has been running free tv since his they put up his 8 ft c band dish years ago its now gone and replaced with the new. I have never and will never worry about this the risk is small.
Thank for listening...

Then in this case if u were caught u can snitch the rcmp officer :sly:

He just did!