is it or is not true that most units will not be useable after n3 is completed i was reading on so other site that bye-ing any more units rite now is not a wise thing 2 do no matter how low the price get .cus it jus wont work with n3 the units dont have no space on them 4 the sizes bins that would need 2 be used 2 keep it up an open on dik an b3v . well i jus dont no if want i read is so or not so i am askin who i think would tell me the truth so here i am the mods here rock so i no they will tell us watz really up thanks 4 ya help :\:\:confused::confused:

nobody at this point knows what will or wont work.
the providers havent swapped out old irds like the 2700 which is a good sign.
i would wait till after the swap myself just to make sure there is a hack.
maybe nothing at all will work.
its all just guessing at this time.

edit: how can anyone know the size of the bin untill the cam is hacked and dumped?
and i remember people saying rom 10's and atmega's would never be able to do n2.

The bottom line is..... No one knows what is going to work and what is not. Unfortunately It's a waiting game. Click on the link about N3 to a post that will give you a lot of info... Been there... done that... Don't do anything until you know which end is up. Between now and then you will see a hundred scams from those unscrupulous thieves that just want yer cash for a load of B.S.

nobody at this point knows what will or wont work.
the providers havent swapped out old irds like the 2700 which is a good sign.
i would wait till after the swap myself just to make sure there is a hack.
maybe nothing at all will work.
its all just guessing at this time.

edit: how can anyone know the size of the bin untill the cam is hacked and dumped?
and i remember people saying rom 10's and atmega's would never be able to do n2.

:thmbup:perfect

lol@keith. two minds that think alike? heh.

I am not in the grace of the gods but will give you my opinion from what I have been ready and what I see. There are many conflicting theories of what will become of the fta receivers due to nagra3. If the original B3V receiver I got over 9 years ago still works and all they did was change the plastic card I can not see how the fta receivers would not be able to be upgraded. The nfusion people already have a work around if your not worried about using a receiver that is dependant of an internet connection. Shows that people who really want to make something work find a way....If it can be coded...It can be decoded. I am surprised that with the people that actually write the software have not produced a full emulation bin file. I am confident that it will all come back at some point in time. Until the I use my nfusion and have decided to purchase the hd model which I am awaiting to receive this week. I think that brings me to about 7 fta and 5 subs. If its not a hobby it may not be worth while. Testing takes time and patience and is a learning process. It would be best to SUB if you can but don’t count on a fix any time soon! Don't sell your fta receivers because as was stated in the last reply no one thought that the atmega128 would work for n2 and yet.....

Keep the faith a lot of smart people have a lot a stake here
:|>

My receivers work great regardless of N2 or N3. Its not all encrypted content and I kind of enjoy the elements of feed hunting, PBS and the likes... so I am happy . and would buy a unit tomorrow if the price was right...

My receivers work great regardless of N2 or N3. Its not all encrypted content and I kind of enjoy the elements of feed hunting, PBS and the likes... so I am happy . and would buy a unit tomorrow if the price was right...

Heir, Heir, watchit, absolutly true for myself to, if the price is right, go for it. Ive been doing a lot of reading, and playing with 2 33" dishes and two digiwave linear lnbs and i cant believe how many true fta channels there are out there, i love too learn and what a hobby to choose, right now i see 97w and 101w, next i want to find 123w, and 125w, then on to trying to get them all on one dish, without a motor, maybe, christmas is here so a motor would be nice, anyway, sorry i got off topic, YES, i would buy a stb now if need be, because the true fta out there is worth every penny, the bins if you use them are just a bonus, hope to help and have a great day

My receivers work great regardless of N2 or N3. Its not all encrypted content and I kind of enjoy the elements of feed hunting, PBS and the likes... so I am happy . and would buy a unit tomorrow if the price was right...

AMEN!!! Testing is testing, it should be there for pure enjoyment when available not relied upon. get a sub or learn about true FTA and how fun that can be! the bigger the dish the better!

is it or is not true that most units will not be useable after n3 is completed i was reading on so other site that bye-ing any more units rite now is not a wise thing 2 do no matter how low the price get .cus it jus wont work with n3 the units dont have no space on them 4 the sizes bins that would need 2 be used 2 keep it up an open on dik an b3v . well i jus dont no if want i read is so or not so i am askin who i think would tell me the truth so here i am the mods here rock so i no they will tell us watz really up thanks 4 ya help :\:\:confused::confused:

although no one knows for sure, i believe that this has blown out of proportion.

what has been said so far, which is pure speculation, is that the older boxes may have trouble dealing with N3 because of their limited operating memory and slower processors. the data processing that these boxes need to do would be a more complicated and memory consuming.

there is no real way of knowing how solid this speculation is until the the issue is resolved. this is pretty much the whole basis of what the original poster of the
box issue wanted to say.

My receivers work great regardless of N2 or N3. Its not all encrypted content and I kind of enjoy the elements of feed hunting, PBS and the likes... so I am happy . and would buy a unit tomorrow if the price was right...

although i am 100% in agreement with your statement, the question was will n3 make most boxes garbage ( as in wont work with what 95% of what fta users want to view).
we all know true fta wont die fast, may just loose odd channels here and there like cband.
so again back to the original question, nobody knows:)

I'm in agreement with FTAhunter2901. Further more, I remember when Nag2 came out and everyone was filling their boots. It took the coders around 2 months to start putting out files. Our coders are just as good as the competion's if not better. Nfusion's already running around n3. I haven't heard anyone mention a memory upgrade to any of the Nfusion models. On 1 of my Viewsat's recent updates, I also noticed a new imput to the G.U.I. for my VS Pro that has a control option for the card slot that I've never seen in the past. If you're planning on getting a new receiver, It might be a good idea to buy 1 with a card slot and good hardware. More than likely, some of the lower end receivers will be phased out.

My thought on it would be like this bins are just images "when we went from nag 1 to nag 2"...bins increased about 5% or so in size.... you seen the pansat 2500 and clones struggle with the increase ....so i feel clones , pansat 3500 down and possibly even pansat 250m to name a few could be on chopp'n block and those with similiar processors speeds

true that bev has old units out ther but we have to remember that what thay have that we don't,, a card most of the function that has to do with encription is done not in your bev box but on your card it has nore memory then alot of the first stbs have, and cpu speed is need to do faster function in the newer bins,, map 57 on n2 didn't kill alot of stb's may have some but they got around it and samething was said then,, don't buy stb's cause bins will be to big for most stb's and we will have to buy more,, look up the specs on a sat box from europe and see what they have cause n3 been in there for 2 or 3 years and work around are going on there as we speak,, oh ya iks and card sharing is be going on there 2 for a long time

Well, were safe to say that Dreambox is so-far-so-safe.

They have proved nagra 3 unsecure in Europe, on more than 1 provider.

I believe for Dreambox, size and power is not an issue....of course not, its Linux :D


Only time will tell everyone.

With regular DN sub boxes, there are two main processors in use. One is the main processor in the box and the other is on the card. The way FTA boxes work is they use processing power from the main CPU to replace the card. With N3, we don't know if that is still possible with a particular FTA box or CPU.

So, more than likely, those that fail to work with N3 will be those with slower processors and smaller memories. In addition to N3, DN is also switching to MP4 format. Most FTA boxes do not work with MP4. That switch also requires DN to change out their own boxes so it will take a long time for them to complete. MP4 isn't an encryption technique, its just a way to fit more channels on a satellite, but right now, the only FTA boxes that can receive it are mostly HD boxes.

So like everyone else said, its a wait and see game right now.

Someone would likely have the answer, as there is plenty of N3 signal to work with. I doubt who ever understood and cracked N2 is just sitting on their hands. However, its wise for them to keep the answer to themselves until the networks are fully invested in N3 and its not financially viable for them to switch to something else. That way the solution remains usable for some useful period of time. I wouldn't doubt the N3 system has a lot more tricks up its sleeve than the old sytems. Look how often N2 goes down. Someone's playing with some element of it. Now imagine if N3 was able to be cracked, but the counter measures could occur several times a minute or second??

well the old receivers may still be used but the new N3 cards certainly arent the same and what worries me the most is it will have new commands, a vastly improved cpu, a brand new map processor with tons more unknown map calls that will certainly be a pain in the butt even if and when its cracked and from what ive read it supports 2 completely different instruction sets. no matter what that new card has to be dumped for any of these questions to be answered, figuring out the new cam <-> IRD protocol will be key in order to get valid control words ... something iks and most card sharing basically needs. Although Nfusion has gotten anything that you can sub to work, getting anything that needs to be ordered with the old phone line plugged in 24/7 will be the trick, but at the very least its a start. my honest opinion is that most of these stbs will be doorstops no matter what happens, i just dont think that they'll be capable of doing the work that this N3 card can. i hope im wrong and i hope that they come up with something but its proven that they still havent got the full emulation of the rom102 since just last week they used an unknown mapcall that put down pretty much everything except iks and actual rom102s. i just dont see them being able to keep up if they havent perfected the rom102 .... one thing is fersure the being up for months at a time will definitely be a goner .... oh well

Nobody knows, but look again at the history of this game, they said things like an Atmega or Rom10 would be completely useless when N2 came into effect and low and behold they have been used again.

Is it smart to buy a new box right now? That's really a personal ?, if you want to test and the price is right and you have the disposable income, why the heck not. BUT if your buying a new box because it's cheaper than it was etc, then maybe u should think twice, why is it cheaper, is the manufacturer in trouble, unless you got a crystal ball, I wouldn't buy anything that u didn't intend to use for true fta, because for anything else, u just never know.

I'm an advocate of the whole if it can be encrypted it can be decrytped! The only mitigating factor is TIME, then it becomes what hardware is required, can the software be compacted enough to fit on existing platforms, again this will take TIME.

So u buy whats working today and it could be dark tomorrow, depending on your intended useage.

So ONCE AGAIN, the truth is No-one knows.
The Truth is out there! But TRUST NO ONE!
:)

The speculation on all of this gets to me more than the actual wait and uncertainty. That, and the constant nfusion promotion.

I can understand the curiosity, and we have time to banter about ideas. What I worry about is that the community will start dividing again. When N2 hit, at first there was worry, and that turned to bickering, and the board I was on at the time -- one of the most popular, well-known DVB boards on the net -- became split between those who just gave up waiting and went to "card-sharing" as it was called at the time and the rest of us who were patient enough and had faith enough in the coders to wait. Many of us watched as our favorite board changed from really good, intelligent discussion to being mostly card-sharing support for different stbs (and DVB cards). Many of us left that board for good because the mods were giving in, too. Then the solutions came out, and the patient ones were vindicated, and that's why most people aren't using IKS - yet - these days.

It'll probably go that way again, and those of us (I hope the majority) who don't like the idea of IKS will wait and be rewarded. There's a lot to read on this subject on many sites, and most of it that claims to be truth is not. The coders talk to us when it's wise to do so. Right now it's not wise, for whatever reason. But the fact is, they haven't spoken to us on this issue lately, and the idea that more, better hardware is needed hasn't come from any real coder that I've seen. That was a speculation about N2 as well, that new hardware would be needed. It wasn't.

So people, we're not all black now, enjoy and wait.