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DougR
04-08-2009, 10:41 PM
Plan to Curb Internet Piracy Advances in France


April 9, 2009

By KEVIN J. O’BRIEN

French lawmakers are poised to approve a law to create the world’s first surveillance system for Internet piracy, one that would force Internet service providers in some cases to disconnect customers accused of making illegal downloads.

The proposal, called the “Création et Internet” and known informally as the “three strikes” directive, has won preliminary votes by the Parliament and is expected to be approved in both houses Thursday. It has support from the governing party of President Nicolas Sarkozy.

The law empowers music and film industry associations to hire companies to analyze the downloads of individual users to detect piracy, and to report violations to a new agency overseeing copyright protection. The agency would be authorized to trace the illegal downloads back to individuals using the downloading computer’s unique identification number, known as its Internet Protocol, or IP, address, which the Internet service providers have on record.

For a first violation, the agency would send a warning by e-mail.

If a user made another illegal download within three months, a second warning would be sent by certified mail. If a third infraction occurred within a year, the service provider would be required to sever service.

Piracy costs the film and music industry in France at least 1 billion euros, or $1.3 billion, a year in lost sales, according to industry figures.

“This law is definitely overdue and it’s only a fair and proportionate response to a major problem,” said Marc Guez, the managing director of the French Society of Phonographic Producers, which represents recording companies. “Our members are losing more than 500 million euros a year in sales.”

While piracy surveillance systems have been discussed in a number of countries, the French plan goes farther than the measures under consideration elsewhere. On April 1, a law in Sweden called the Intellectual Property Rights Enforcement Directive took effect, allowing industry groups to more easily prosecute copyright piracy.

In the United States, a Congressional committee this week began studying the issue. In a hearing Monday before the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Representatives, Steven Soderbergh, the film director, cited the French initiative in asking lawmakers to deputize the American film industry to pursue copyright pirates.

In France, the law has attracted prominent support from the French music and film establishment, including Johnny Hallyday, the French rock star, and Denis Olivennes, the former chief executive of the FNAC retail chain.

The International Federation of Phonographic Industry, a group based in London that represents the global music industry, said that 95 percent of all songs downloaded on the Internet last year — including those in France — were illegal downloads. Globally, illegal music downloads cost $12.8 billion in sales, according to the group.

While supporters and opponents both predicted that the proposal would become law, some lawyers and Internet advocates said the measure would face a tougher road before the French Constitutional Council, which can invalidate laws that it determines do not conform with the Constitution.

One of several controversial aspects of the proposal places the onus of proving innocence on those accused, who would only be able to protest their innocence after they were disconnected from the Internet.

“It is always hard to predict how the Constitutional Council may rule, but this new law does not protect the fundamental right to defend oneself,” said Cédric Manara, a law professor at the Edhec Business School in Nice.

Winston Maxwell, a media lawyer at Hogan & Hartson in Paris, said the legal challenges might delay the measure’s effective date.

“But I doubt the Constitutional Council will decide a French citizen has the right to make illegal downloads,” Maxwell said.

Nonetheless, Internet advocates call the French proposal legally unsound on the ground that there are inadequate the provisions for challenging an action, and because it gives industry groups the power to police the Internet. Others question whether the law would unfairly penalize those whose wireless broadband accounts are misused by others. The French law tries to anticipate this by making it a civil infraction for citizens to fail to “secure” their broadband accounts by using approved filtering technology.

That burden, theoretically, would fall on public Wi-Fi hot spots.

Nicolas D’Arcy, a spokesman for France’s ISP Association, the Association des Fournisseurs d’Accès et de Services Internet, said Internet providers were hoping the law would not take effect.

Internet service providers, Mr. D’Arcy said, do not want to become the enforcement arm of French justice and do not trust the law to insulate them from suits brought by customers whose service has been cut off.

“There are so many things wrong with this,” Mr. D’Arcy said.

Other critics say the law will not stop illegal downloads.

Jérémie Zimmermann, director of La Quadrature du Net, an Internet advocacy group based in Paris, said some computer users would turn to encrypted downloads and other methods to avoid detection. On Wednesday, a Swedish company, the Pirate Bay, began a service called Ipredator, which lets users use its virtual private network to make anonymous downloads for 5 euros a month.

“The French law will only drive people further underground,” Mr. Zimmermann said. “It will make the situation worse.”

Michel Thiollière, the French Senate sponsor of the legislation, said the system would probably survive legal review by the council and help preserve the rights of French artists, musicians and actors.

“The mechanism is reasonable and a graduated response designed to bring Internet users to a new world where the rights of creators must be respected,” he said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/business/global/09net.html



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frizzlefry91
04-08-2009, 11:37 PM
thats not right they shouldnt be doing that, that would mean they would know every mve we make

viruscauser
04-09-2009, 12:08 AM
Adversity will find a way. The genie is out of the bottle it's going to be tough putting it back. That's one side of the coin.

On the other, they do have a point. I should be a fine one to talk, especially on this forum, but these software, movies, music etc all represent someone's labor and there's something wrong with stealing for nothing, the fruit of someone else's work. Law of economics: You steal too much and the producer decides his work is not paying enough and goes into another kind of work and we're all losers in the end. If all of the pirates paid just a little bit, the circle would be complete and the produce would keep flowing.

The very real possibility of all of us being spied upon sends chills up my spine. One wrong word somewhere, one stupid joke, one not-properly-thought-out angry retort to someone on a political blog and Gitmo, here I come.

Thanks for the story, DougR.

frizzlefry91
04-09-2009, 12:10 AM
Adversity will find a way. The genie is out of the bottle it's going to be tough putting it back. That's one side of the coin.

On the other, they do have a point. I should be a fine one to talk, especially on this forum, but these software, movies, music etc all represent someone's labor and there's something wrong with stealing for nothing, the fruit of someone else's work. Law of economics: You steal too much and the producer decides his work is not paying enough and goes into another kind of work and we're all losers in the end. If all of the pirates paid just a little bit, the circle would be complete and the produce would keep flowing.

The very real possibility of all of us being spied upon sends chills up my spine. One wrong word somewhere, one stupid joke, one not-properly-thought-out angry retort to someone on a political blog and Gitmo, here I come.

Thanks for the story, DougR.
lol i think they make enough they shouldnt be all greedy like metallica lol

ddesir1
04-09-2009, 12:32 AM
It's all part of the NWO agenda. It's funny how the people that have bashed music and cinema over the years are the same ones that are here to "protect" it. Bootlegs and illegal downloads are not the problem, the economy and the quality of the crap they put out is.

Want to boost sales?
1) Drop the price of movie tickets.
2) Serve steak n Potatoes instead of hotdogs and nachos they will still make a profit.

dannybouch
04-09-2009, 12:51 AM
if if someone taps in to your router and is using it to download you would or could get suspended i dont see how this could be or stick ???

ddesir1
04-09-2009, 01:03 AM
They will make you responsible because you didn't protect your hub then state "ignorance is no excuse" . Years ago I didn't care about outsiders getting a free ride but now having an open WiFI can get you in serious trouble.

DougR
04-09-2009, 08:51 AM
UPDATE !

French parliament rejects Internet piracy bill

Apr 9 06:26 AM US/Eastern

French lawmakers Thursday rejected an Internet piracy bill that would cut off illegal downloaders from the web, in a surprise set-back for President Nicolas Sarkozy's government.


.http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=090409112424.ocdnqqmd&show_article=1

pajamas
04-09-2009, 10:33 AM
i mean it sucks but that's what the future's going to be--cops on the information superhighway

jeison
04-11-2009, 12:53 AM
no french will tell me what or what not, besides, french is not the most romantic languaje like thet say, it sucks.........................
there will allways be a underground world

aquaitus
04-11-2009, 01:22 AM
There's really no such thing as an illegal download for music and movies. Check out the fair use in the states, or fair dealing in canada. Both countries, and many others, have laws set up for the legal use of copyrighted materal. The US laws are more open ended than our Canadian ones, with copyrighted works being able to be used in such things as parody, or comedy in general. The Canadian fair dealing clause only gives rights to use in research and private study. But what it all comes down to is the fact that it is an excuse that people can legaly give to download movies and music. The fact that you are downloading things is not a crime, but few people know there way out, or can prove that is what they were using the copyrighted works for.

mondoman22
04-11-2009, 02:07 AM
Something interesting for sure,
For all the stuff that Do Have Done Did and got away with They would problem put me in a room and throw the room away... But thats ok I sure did have fun!!! heh.. I will tell you this though they are already doing it.. Friend of mine of course had Cable One internet.. with a cable modem... Well to make a long story short Modded his xbox and sent him to a rather "Dark Site" that has 100's and 100's of 360 games not to mention other good stuff that you can download for free.. Well he was kinda new and didn't really know about bittorrent too much.. so He set up bittorrent and away he went well Of course he was a kid in a candy store and started to download like a maniac... Well the downloading wasn't the bad part it was the seeding that he was doing that brought him to the Isp's Attention... Well needless to say Er um mac Address Same ip all the time.. They Knew and told him exactly what he was downloading and uploading and susspended his service.. Well needless to say He called me up Freaking out told him deny everything and Drop Cable one and go dsl.. So that is what he did now nothing came of it Legally but when they can actually tell you what you are downloading and uploading you can bet your butt they Can Read your emails and messages... I take steps when i send messages to people in personal emails using encryption.. So if you don't have the key basically it looks like a pizza on your screen but.. These are scary times... Now a lont time ago when the Internet was arpanet and we had such services as tymnet telenet Itapic Datapac X.25 was the rage and we the hackers were able to go pad to pad get Nuid's Actually took control of a prime one time with the program xray on it and this prime handled alot of the routing for tyment I shouldn't say it was just a prime mainframe it was Several Prime Mainframes. Xray let you actually virtually see the data being sent across the net.. It was under an account The id was field the password was service Go figure silly them to leave the Default accounts active... But if us old guys could do it back then with a monochrome green screen and a modem at a blazing 300bps well Imagine what the isp's could do today?!?!? Pretty Scary when the shoe is On the So called other Foot.. Food for thought what was once fun for hackers like i use to be is now their weapon to Find out what everyone is doing on the net... Scary times we live in my friends.... Thanks for the read it was good...

Thanks Again!!!
Tony

Monkey311
04-11-2009, 07:23 AM
Something interesting for sure,
For all the stuff that Do Have Done Did and got away with They would problem put me in a room and throw the room away... But thats ok I sure did have fun!!! heh.. I will tell you this though they are already doing it.. Friend of mine of course had Cable One internet.. with a cable modem... Well to make a long story short Modded his xbox and sent him to a rather "Dark Site" that has 100's and 100's of 360 games not to mention other good stuff that you can download for free.. Well he was kinda new and didn't really know about bittorrent too much.. so He set up bittorrent and away he went well Of course he was a kid in a candy store and started to download like a maniac... Well the downloading wasn't the bad part it was the seeding that he was doing that brought him to the Isp's Attention... Well needless to say Er um mac Address Same ip all the time.. They Knew and told him exactly what he was downloading and uploading and susspended his service.. Well needless to say He called me up Freaking out told him deny everything and Drop Cable one and go dsl.. So that is what he did now nothing came of it Legally but when they can actually tell you what you are downloading and uploading you can bet your butt they Can Read your emails and messages... I take steps when i send messages to people in personal emails using encryption.. So if you don't have the key basically it looks like a pizza on your screen but.. These are scary times... Now a lont time ago when the Internet was arpanet and we had such services as tymnet telenet Itapic Datapac X.25 was the rage and we the hackers were able to go pad to pad get Nuid's Actually took control of a prime one time with the program xray on it and this prime handled alot of the routing for tyment I shouldn't say it was just a prime mainframe it was Several Prime Mainframes. Xray let you actually virtually see the data being sent across the net.. It was under an account The id was field the password was service Go figure silly them to leave the Default accounts active... But if us old guys could do it back then with a monochrome green screen and a modem at a blazing 300bps well Imagine what the isp's could do today?!?!? Pretty Scary when the shoe is On the So called other Foot.. Food for thought what was once fun for hackers like i use to be is now their weapon to Find out what everyone is doing on the net... Scary times we live in my friends.... Thanks for the read it was good...

Thanks Again!!!
Tony

they will try everything