I just found this on another forum and wanted to share it with ya'll

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NAG3 Reported Cracked on U.S. Talkshow
Apparently on a satellite radio channel *Access America* tonight there was a talkshow about Nag3, DN and BEV.

The talk show host said.. "The American coders went to France in June of 2008 and cracked Nag3 for BEV and DN,
they are just waiting for DN to fully go to Nag3 and they will release the code".

This was live on Sat Radio 97w Access America.

The show was called the FTA Show, it was picked up by someone on;

97w
TP 12.144v 22.425
Vpid 65535
Apid 1794
Ppid 8191

using an unaltered star choice eliptical dish.

This could well be true as we are now seeing 5 different cards.

I started this thread last year about Europe;

Have They cracked N3 on Overseas providers

going to post this in the Rumour Mill but as this was factfully reported on live broadcast

Heres hoping guys, did anyone else hear this show?

Sound good to be real

lol, that's what i was thinking too

time will tell if is true or not

When DN goes fully N3,we will definitly see "who's got what" on N3....It's not only about the first to crack it...Its also about the money issue.Depending on the group of coders who do crack it,they will be the "top dog" for the rest of them..

Since its impossible to receive eithe DISH or BEV in Europe it would also be pretty much impossible to crack either one there and since there is currently no crack in Europe for Nagra 3 it sounds like more total bs from somebody who has shelves full or worthless product to sell.

On the other hand it could be a case of somebody only getting half of the facts straight because card sharing has been working in Europe since about June of last year and a couple months later the Nfusion guys got it working here.

As card sharing requires using subscribed cards to get subscribed programming there's no N3 hack involved with that.

Yeah thats what it sounds like to me, when i heard cracking n3 for b3v in Europe i was mystified. Just like you said B3V & DN don't reach over to Europe.

Yeah thats what it sounds like to me, when i heard cracking n3 for b3v in Europe i was mystified. Just like you said B3V & DN don't reach over to Europe.

u guys sound so silly sometimes (not saying the c/p is tru)...buttt didnt kno you had to be watching tv to crack nagra...lol:smoke:

I suppose it can be done, but testing the final product on B3V or DN in Europe sounds fishy to me.... Just my opinion.

wait and see what happends.

only thing i say just relax and enjoy what we have.

Yep Yep Amen brother

Since its impossible to receive eithe DISH or BEV in Europe it would also be pretty much impossible to crack either one there and since there is currently no crack in Europe for Nagra 3 it sounds like more total bs from somebody who has shelves full or worthless product to sell.

On the other hand it could be a case of somebody only getting half of the facts straight because card sharing has been working in Europe since about June of last year and a couple months later the Nfusion guys got it working here.

As card sharing requires using subscribed cards to get subscribed programming there's no N3 hack involved with that.

Sorry to say this but ur wrong there will be there is big money involve in that and u will see it after N2 completely goes black

I hope CNX can crack down N3......

When DN goes fully N3,we will definitly see "who's got what" on N3....It's not only about the first to crack it...Its also about the money issue.Depending on the group of coders who do crack it,they will be the "top dog" for the rest of them..


Since its impossible to receive eithe DISH or BEV in Europe it would also be pretty much impossible to crack either one there and since there is currently no crack in Europe for Nagra 3 it sounds like more total bs from somebody who has shelves full or worthless product to sell.

On the other hand it could be a case of somebody only getting half of the facts straight because card sharing has been working in Europe since about June of last year and a couple months later the Nfusion guys got it working here.

As card sharing requires using subscribed cards to get subscribed programming there's no N3 hack involved with that.


Yeah thats what it sounds like to me, when i heard cracking n3 for b3v in Europe i was mystified. Just like you said B3V & DN don't reach over to Europe.

Nice Rumor

Well for what it is worth. I just now am listening to the show that was referenced in the first post. That is what the inside skinny is. Listen to the last show in media player. Fast forward to about the 2/3rds of the way through and hear for yourself. The fact that n3 was cracked last year was reported in the show. They are just waiting for things to go all the way down. Another report from the show is that there is only 3 to 4 lines of code difference between n2 and n3. But you all can listen foe yourself. A little bit of googling gave me the website. A little more digging got me to the archives.

http://www.ftashow.com/archives.html
Check out the april 17th show. Have a great day! I am simply comfirming the show and the report on the show. Judge for yerselves.:)

The bootom line is that n1 was cracked..... n2 was cracked...... n3 should be no different... we will see

Sorry to say this but ur wrong there will be there is big money involve in that and u will see it after N2 completely goes black

And you know this how?

a few months ago someone posted a thread about n3 being cracked and that we had to wait for dish to completely swich to n3 then we would see the new codes.just got to play the waiting game

The only thing being cracked around here is my bones when I crawl out of bed each morning...lol.

The only thing being cracked around here is my bones when I crawl out of bed each morning...lol.

Amen to that same here.
Good one i couldnt stop laughing here man.

i don't think anybody would want to talk about it on tv or radio. not very smart

id love to go on jerry springer and say i live in a trailer park hacking porno :)

Keith, see if you can get Ricky, Julien and Bubbles to join you:lol:

a few months ago someone posted a thread about n3 being cracked and that we had to wait for dish to completely swich to n3 then we would see the new codes.just got to play the waiting game
1)How do they know n3 is cracked?
2) How do they know all must be switched to n3 before there is a fix?

Stone - nice to see you here...

Skywzrd - nice avatar! I am an old Q3A junkie... finally broke my addiction not long ago LOL.

As far as the N3 crack goes, it's anyone's guess right now.

I am from the frame of mind that if Dish spent all that effort to combat piracy and only came up with a card-swap then they have wasted their money.

Exhaustive discussions on other boards tend to agree with the philosophy that the only way Dish can completely cure their piracy problem would be to replace all of their existing receivers with new ones capable of receiving a proprietary signal from the satellite. As it is now, they are only using a software encryption method that is capable of being mimicked by an FTA receiver's software.

I was not around when things went from N1 to N2 but from reading it didn't take long to see the N2 become compromised.

Logically speaking, one can assume that it will only be a matter of time before N3 becomes compromised.

I like to think that we are watching a classic game of "Chess". The coders are waiting to make their next move. Dish is slowly "darkening" certain channels as their card-swap nears completion, and the coders are (possibly) waiting for the "Check-Mate" which is when N2 goes away and N3 takes over. This is when we will see (or not) a show of what the coders have (or not).

In the mean time, it is fun to speculate and watch from the sidelines as Dish and the Coders battle it out....

-Chuck

Why does the switch to N3 on DN have to happen first????? That wont change a thing!!!! DN is totaly commited to this switch and its gonna happen crack or no crack.

1)How do they know n3 is cracked?
2) How do they know all must be switched to n3 before there is a fix?

the everything has to be swapped first rumour is pure speculation.
i think it was started to keep the hope alive that there is in fact a hack made but its being kept secret so the providers dont change the encryption again.
it has very little merit in my opinion, if the providers can quickly alter the encryption they could do it now or when the swap is complete.
it would seem crazy for any dealer who could be selling thousands of units to sit on a hack and wait for another brand to come out with it first.

Many countries in Europe don't have that harsh regulations over hacking sat signals. The penalty of owning amateur devices for hacking doesn't count as illegal as to comparison to US. At least you don't make money through it, counts as OK to do but not recommended if you are looking for a job in related fields.

I don't get surprised if European engineers already have a fix and waiting for the right payer to release the map code ( they did make $6 million in October 2006 deal, I think it was from Germany, the full map fix ). Until DN have fully implemented N3 I don't think we will have any fix. Sales of Sat receivers down sharply the last couple of months.

the everything has to be swapped first rumour is pure speculation.
i think it was started to keep the hope alive that there is in fact a hack made but its being kept secret so the providers dont change the encryption again.
it has very little merit in my opinion, if the providers can quickly alter the encryption they could do it now or when the swap is complete.
it would seem crazy for any dealer who could be selling thousands of units to sit on a hack and wait for another brand to come out with it first.

Right on!! If I had the crack I would be makin the big bucks right now. I also think this is just all BS so people will keep buying receivers.:lol::lol:

I totally agree with Keith. If there was a crack, it would make no sense to lose money and sit on it. All of the N3 cards have been distributed by now.

BTW - cracking N3 does NOT hurt D**h one bit! It hurts Kudelsky because they would lose rental revenue, since they own the cards and rent them to Charlie. And that would be a great strategy. Kudelsky is a more vulnerable company than D**h and a quick widescale N3 compromise would seriously wound them financially, even finish them off. Then what would Charlie do?

Every day that N3 lives works against us.

the everything has to be swapped first rumour is pure speculation.
i think it was started to keep the hope alive that there is in fact a hack made but its being kept secret so the providers dont change the encryption again.
it has very little merit in my opinion, if the providers can quickly alter the encryption they could do it now or when the swap is complete.
it would seem crazy for any dealer who could be selling thousands of units to sit on a hack and wait for another brand to come out with it first.I couldnt agree more! I just feel if your going to make a claim you should either say its just an opinion or pure speculation.Otherwise its nothing more than useless or hopeful information. In my opinion things have changed since the change to n2. There were very few fta manufactors at that time. I believe if any one of them had a fix for n3 they would release it. Even cypris said there would be a fix for bev soon. This claim was made 3 months ago before **** started to change over. In my opinion there is no fix for n3 at this time or it would be released!

I have revised my opinion slightly, so I stand corrected. I read the trial transcripts from the nds trial. From the transcript it is evident that the p4 card was hacked as well as dn. The hack is out there just that people are being paid alot of cash to keep out of the public.

It really amounts to the same thing from our perspective though.

I have revised my opinion slightly, so I stand corrected. I read the trial transcripts from the nds trial. From the transcript it is evident that the p4 card was hacked as well as dn. The hack is out there just that people are being paid alot of cash to keep out of the public.

It really amounts to the same thing from our perspective though.

The hack is out there just people are being pait alot of cash to keep out the public.

I CALL BS

This is the rumor thread right?

You can read what others post here, but I'd hold back on the "Calling BS" posts unless this was in the NEWS threads....

This is a good thread, and keeps us talking about what we, as individuals, THINK is going on.... Not necessarily news or factual info...

Come on if you come in here and make a claim like that back it up! Or I think I should get to call BS otherwise there is nothing to discuss. Or at least say imo

First of all thanks to the MODs for keeping this site up and not being Douches and sellinng out.

Second I keep getting information from my sources not to worry and just keep buying FTA receivers which I am doing.

Third I am also being told that NAGRA TRES is hacked and they're waiting.

Fourth if it's true I hope it doesn't go out during or before the Pacquiao/Hatton fight or else i'm paying $59.99 for HD HBO PPV. I need the full Nagra 3 crossover to happen before the fight or PPV go out after the fight. Oh well thanks Mods, Coders, Hackers, and manufacturers.

Mods - Keep this site up unlike the other sites
Coders - Implement the hack into the receiver bins
Hackers - Give the encryption schemes to the coders and do most of the real work
Manufacturers - There would be nothing to code or hack for if there wasn't hardware to use for this hobby.

Come on if you come in here and make a claim like that back it up! Or I think I should get to call BS otherwise there is nothing to discuss. Or at least say imo

Dude.... all he did was repeat what was said on the show.... his thread title says "possible hack"..... and it is posted in the rumour section..... perhaps since you know so strongly that there is no hack you can show us some proof of that.....

Your sources must be selling fta's. As someone whos been around a while keep you money tell if and when there is a fix for n3. Just my opinion

Dude.... all he did was repeat what was said on the show.... his thread title says "possible hack"..... and it is posted in the rumour section..... perhaps since you know so strongly that there is no hack you can show us some proof of that.....
I have never claimed if there is or isnt a hack only my opinion! So if you claim there is a hack prove it.They said on the show there is a hack but people are being paid to not release it. I call BS

Monkeys sig says it all " MAN MADE IT MAN CAN BREAK IT ".

Dude.... all he did was repeat what was said on the show.... his thread title says "possible hack"..... and it is posted in the rumour section..... perhaps since you know so strongly that there is no hack you can show us some proof of that.....
And why dont you let him respond.Little defensvive for no reason maybe he does know what he claims

Monkeys sig says it all " MAN MADE IT MAN CAN BREAK IT ".

Lots of examples of this quote not being true

Lots of examples of this quote not being true

I think we should add "it has to be the same MAN to break it who Made it".

Exactly! Not only that it could have been made by a computor that was told to make it so only the computor knows.LOL

was tru for me i was wacthing porno all night
on morning nothing

dreaming

And why dont you let him respond.Little defensvive for no reason maybe he does know what he claims

I am defending the individual who made this thread... he did everything right and passed on information and put it in the rumours section because he can't prove it to be true.... only to have you come along and tell him he is full of BS...... if you don't want to read unproven information then stay out of the rumour section.... because that is basically what it is for..... and by the way... I have yet to see you prove that a hack doesn't exist......

You dont get it. Im calling BS to the claim. He states this is from a trial READ IT and he claims they state there is a fix but not being released because someone is being paid. I CALL BS What I beleive is or isnt true about n3 is simply my opinion and I have always made that clear so why do you keep calling me on it. IMO there will be a fix for n3 today or tomorrow

Come on if you come in here and make a claim like that back it up! Or I think I should get to call BS otherwise there is nothing to discuss. Or at least say imo

No.... you are attacking the original poster for "coming in here and making a claim without backing it up"..... so i call BS on you

What are you talking about. A calim was made and I simply called it BS If its not back it up

Mark... the claim was made on a talk show... it is the titl eof this thread.... the poster is not making a claim he is sharing information gained from watching th eshow... what I ... and a few others... are tryiong to tell you is that because it is in the rumours section you take it for what it is worth..... share your opinions by all means but don't ask that the poster back it up and call his post bs..... especially when you have nothing to back up your own opinion....

The point of this section is to share what we have heard, seen, or think we may know, to inspire debate, vent, or discuss. As far as I am concerned it is all speculation, inuendo, and once in a while cridible information. To call anyone on bs here is foolish because guess what it is a rumour. Rumour is not fact. It is SPECULATION!!!!

I have read an exerpt of the transcripts from the NDS trial. It seems to me that G3 is open but the hack was "suppressed".

It seems to me that in this darkening hour, rumours abound. It is part of the hobby.

Just my take on things.

The hack is out there just people are being pait alot of cash to keep out the public.

I CALL BS


This is my response to the original poster

Get him "superbrad"! Lol.

The point of this section is to share what we have heard, seen, or think we may know, to inspire debate, vent, or discuss. As far as I am concerned it is all speculation, inuendo, and once in a while cridible information. To call anyone on bs here is foolish because guess what it is a rumour. Rumour is not fact. It is SPECULATION!!!!

I have read an exerpt of the transcripts from the NDS trial. It seems to me that G3 is open but the hack was "suppressed".

It seems to me that in this darkening hour, rumours abound. It is part of the hobby.

Just my take on things.No problem but should be able to say this is nothing more than BS thats all I said. Will repeat I call BS In no way did I put the poster down. Just like if I said there was fix released an hour ago you should be able to say BS

That is precisely my point Mark..... How is you saying that it is BS and not backing it up any different than him posting a rumour and not backing it up?.....

Ahhh that whole freedom of expression thing. Perhaps you could say that you politely disagree. You have a right to disagree. "BS" is a bit harsh.

I didnt make a claim the only reason there is no fix is due to people being paid to keep quiet To that as I have said I call BS so either its BS or true if true back it up otherwise say its simply an opinion. As I have said IMO if you make a claim back it up, I dont care if you want it backed up or not. Weather you agree or disagree doesnt matter but I have stayed on subject and have done no bashing Comments like go get em are nothing but being confrontatinal. Just like others dont agree with what I say I should have the right to comment back

Ahhh that whole freedom of expression thing. Perhaps you could say that you politely disagree. You have a right to disagree. "BS" is a bit harsh.
I think the statement is BS sorry if you dont like it put that way If I say I politly disagree thats ok! Then lets have the debate about what was said not about weather someone wrote I call BS

Oh boy..... I give up.... just go look up the word R-u-m-o-u-r in the dictionary and educate yourself.....

lol

stop arguing and get back on topic please

Excuse ME Handshake..... I didn't realise you had become a mod here.....LOL

Excuse ME Handshake..... I didn't realise you had become a mod here.....LOL

:sigh: stop being a troll please and talk about the topic

READ THE RULES!!

Would love to. So is there a fix but it is being held back because people are being paid?

nah more then likely the fix is being held because dish network needs to finish the transition is what i have heard

but realistically no one will know till its over

I dont think Dish going down has anything to do with it

Well... I guess it's same old same old..... another n3 thread ends with the old "I guess we'll have to wait and see"......lol

Well... I guess it's same old same old..... another n3 thread ends with the old "I guess we'll have to wait and see"......lol

if you dont have anything useful to say then don't say it

if you have something valuable give your input but i have yet to see anything of significance

april is ended no moor april fooooo curcur

if you dont have anything useful to say then don't say it

if you have something valuable give your input but i have yet to see anything of significanceCome on mods this is a bash

Oh boy..... I give up.... just go look up the word R-u-m-o-u-r in the dictionary and educate yourself.....


Good Luck with that most folks around here are still learning to ty there shoes and wipe there bums properly.:o

if you dont have anything useful to say then don't say it

if you have something valuable give your input but i have yet to see anything of significance

If you don't like my post then feel free to hit the "report " button and have someone who is actually somebody around here deal with it accordingly..... Once again I feel the need to remind you (and I am not the only one that has done so), that you are not a moderator here.......

As for the thread topic my opinion is that judging from what has happened in the past nagra encryption cracks a release (if one exists) will not come out until both providers are fully down.... I was merely stating that I hate to see a thread with good information end up with the old wait and see conclusion..... and I was not attempting to hijack the thread I was merely pointing out that people should feel free to post in this section without their opinions being called "BS"...... this is because I want to here more of what folks have to say and not see them get attacked for saying it....

If you don't like my post then feel free to hit the "report " button and have someone who is actually somebody around here deal with it accordingly..... Once again I feel the need to remind you (and I am not the only one that has done so), that you are not a moderator here.......

As for the thread topic my opinion is that judging from what has happened in the past nagra encryption cracks a release (if one exists) will not come out until both providers are fully down.... I was merely stating that I hate to see a thread with good information end up with the old wait and see conclusion..... and I was not attempting to hijack the thread I was merely pointing out that people should feel free to post in this section without their opinions being called "BS"...... this is because I want to here more of what folks have to say and not see them get attacked for saying it....

:thmbup:

Just a couple of cents worth here.......
First i see a guy with 24 posts, and most of them spent arguing........
Second for the ones that wonder why wait if there is a fix? Well the minute a fix were to hit the forums, Chuck will download it just like we will. And just like the coders, Chuck will reverse engineer it and find a way to "Hit" the fix. Waiting till the last possible moment to release any fix, if there is one, buys the FTA world time. However little. It's time none the less.
Finally, Calling anyones post BS does not really add the rep points very fast now does it? This is the rumor section. I use it to find info. Then I run it down just like I did earlier with the talk show. Which by the way is a weekly radio show cast over satellite and the internet. So ther is some useful info to be found in the rumor section. Stay Cool. Have fun. Be smart. Gotta Run! Have a great day!

Just a couple of cents worth here.......
First i see a guy with 24 posts, and most of them spent arguing........
Second for the ones that wonder why wait if there is a fix? Well the minute a fix were to hit the forums, Chuck will download it just like we will. And just like the coders, Chuck will reverse engineer it and find a way to "Hit" the fix. Waiting till the last possible moment to release any fix, if there is one, buys the FTA world time. However little. It's time none the less.
Finally, Calling anyones post BS does not really add the rep points very fast now does it? This is the rumor section. I use it to find info. Then I run it down just like I did earlier with the talk show. Which by the way is a weekly radio show cast over satellite and the internet. So ther is some useful info to be found in the rumor section. Stay Cool. Have fun. Be smart. Gotta Run! Have a great day!

Chuck doesn't "hit" fixes...... what they do is change the encryption formula to something different so that the fix no longer works and a new fix is needed..... a fix for n3 would require the source code that the formulas use to provide the encrption.... this is part of the new cards that they have released.... once they release this source code they can't take it back or change it without issuing new cards.....

Who called bs to the post I called BS to one of the claims in the post and I stand by it! BTW just because someone has only so many posts means nothing. You just never know ;)

Chuck doesn't "hit" fixes...... what they do is change the encryption formula to something different so that the fix no longer works and a new fix is needed..... a fix for n3 would require the source code that the formulas use to provide the encrption.... this is part of the new cards that they have released.... once they release this source code they can't take it back or change it without issuing new cards.....

Your right. My bad slang. When that would happen I told my local peeps that, "They reached down from space, and slapped us cross the face!" If things went down it was easier to say we were "hit" as opposed to trying to explain an "algorethem" change. LOL My bad. :)

Who called bs to the post I called BS to one of the claims in the post and I stand by it! BTW just because someone has only so many posts means nothing. You just never know ;)

Sorry if I offended, Just making an observation. My apoligies if I offended.

Just a couple of cents worth here.......
First i see a guy with 24 posts, and most of them spent arguing........
Second for the ones that wonder why wait if there is a fix? Well the minute a fix were to hit the forums, Chuck will download it just like we will. And just like the coders, Chuck will reverse engineer it and find a way to "Hit" the fix. Waiting till the last possible moment to release any fix, if there is one, buys the FTA world time. However little. It's time none the less.
Finally, Calling anyones post BS does not really add the rep points very fast now does it? This is the rumor section. I use it to find info. Then I run it down just like I did earlier with the talk show. Which by the way is a weekly radio show cast over satellite and the internet. So ther is some useful info to be found in the rumor section. Stay Cool. Have fun. Be smart. Gotta Run! Have a great day!

Very well said. I agree that a person's posts should not be riddled with finger-pointing and calling someone else's post BS. MarkVend should have just let it go with the first call-out, but instead continued to spar with other members over a moot point. Oh well.

Stone is a very well respected member here and elsewhere. Perhaps a different approach would garner warmer reactions instead of bantering about BS. LOL.

MarkVend didnt start it someone didnt like that fact he called bs to a claim

Sorry if I offended, Just making an observation. My apoligies if I offended.Didint offend at all just wondering what you observed the 24 post or the content?

We are all just cranky due to lack of porno....lol.....

I am unsure... but the lack of hack for n3 could be due to the fact that a bin file with two different types of encryption on it would be pretty big and it may not even be possible to run two different types of decoding at the same time.... n2 and n3 that is....

How Do You Crack Nagravision 3?

Does It Require Coding To Do That?

And Also Is There Any Equipment Needed For Cracking Nagravision 3?

Didint offend at all just wondering what you observed the 24 post or the content?

If you really want to know........ First observation was... There are nicer ways to respond than to say BS to a post. Second observation was going toe to toe with a Ultra VIP... (Had to edit this.. saw all those rep points and got carried away....) to the point that he "Gave Up" trying to explain that to ya. Counting all the posts in this thread almost cover all of your posts so far. Going to any site and comming out of the gate going round and round, is just not very impressive. We all disagree at times. The key to any debate and or discussion is to keep an open mind. Also in a good debate people must know when to drop something. I wasted no time responding to you when I thought there was a possibility of an offense. It's a two way street. Well you asked, and I told ya. Now, How about droppin anymore "bs" subject and talkin about the subject at hand instead? No I'm not a mod here, But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night! :lol:
Don't bother trying to get under my skin. I just won't respond anymore. I did my best to try and get you to understand. Peace Out my friend. :)

Just one correction... I am not a supermod... just a regular dude... but my mom says I am cool..... Mark and I have settled our differences so lets all move on......

I would suggest that a crack for N3 is worth way more money if all the channels are black first. Once a fix is released it is too easy for other brands to modify the files to work in their STB's. Viewsat won the race last time and they are one of the leaders in FTA, I believe that the company that wins the next race will likely be one of the leaders, at least until the N4.

Just one correction... I am not a supermod... just a regular dude... but my mom says I am cool..... Mark and I have settled our differences so lets all move on......

LOL! I edited that already. I saw all the stars and rep points and got carried away!

I would suggest that a crack for N3 is worth way more money if all the channels are black first. Once a fix is released it is too easy for other brands to modify the files to work in their STB's. Viewsat won the race last time and they are one of the leaders in FTA, I believe that the company that wins the next race will likely be one of the leaders, at least until the N4.

The true question is who has the money to pay for it?...... what is it worth to the guy that holds the secret and when will we get it?

we will wait and see

we will wait and see

LOL..... pretty pointless to point that out.... since we obviously have no choice.....

If you really want to know........ First observation was... There are nicer ways to respond than to say BS to a post. Second observation was going toe to toe with a supermod to the point that he "Gave Up" trying to explain that to ya. Counting all the posts in this thread almost cover all of your posts so far. Going to any site and comming out of the gate going round and round, is just not very impressive. We all disagree at times. The key to any debate and or discussion is to keep an open mind. Also in a good debate people must know when to drop something. I wasted no time responding to you when I thought there was a possibility of an offense. It's a two way street. Well you asked, and I told ya. Now, How about droppin anymore "bs" subject and talkin about the subject at hand instead? No I'm not a mod here, But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night! :lol:
Don't bother trying to get under my skin. I just won't respond anymore. I did my best to try and get you to understand. Peace Out my friend. :)
Well let me understand what you just wrote
1) Never said bs to post only claim in post (sorry if that offends you) however it is what it is.
2)toe to toe with a mod? However just cus someone is a mod dosent make them god, we all have opinons. If saying bs to something is grounds for being kicked out fine. But no mod ever said that so we can agree to disagree
3)I have been a member of this site for sometime
4)actually all I have asked for is good debate Read my question (are people being paid to keep quiet )as the claim stated
I stick to what I said and seen nothing to disprove it. I call bs to the statement. Funny thing is I happened to read back a few hours ago and saw the same bs thing being said but apperatly it was fine. Typical new America way you come in here and make a statement how about dropping the bs subject and thats it. The point is the subject is about there being a fix. The claim is there is one but people are being paid to keep quiet.Again Im sorry if calling a claim bs offends but it is what it is. Only reason Im responding to the bs statement is cus someone doesnt like it. Like you apperantly.

C&P
From other site :

N1, N2 and N3 are Control Word(CW) encryption/decryption methods, they are not about the scrambling of a digital channel.
The way digital channels are scambled hasn't changed since the first digital channels started to be scrambled, it is an unbreakable method, in realtime, you could unscramble a digital channel if given the time, say 1 year for a 2 hour show, so not really a practical argument that it can be unscrambled by brute force, .
All providers use the same method of digital scrambing, DN, DTV, StarChoice, and Digital Cable companies, thats because it is unbreakable.
A digital channel is scramble by applying a random 8 byte number to it, this random number is called the Control Word(CW), it is saved and sent out to subscribers.
An 8 byte number has:
256 x 256 x 256 x 256 x 256 x 256 x 256 x 256
possible combinations, this is why it is unbreakable, , in realtime

So there is no change in scrambling between N2 and N3, what is changed is the way the provider sends out the 8 byte Control Word to all its subscribers.
There is one CW per channel and each CW is changed every 2 to 5 minutes on each channel, this is the problem with "realtime" brute force methods.
Each CW packet is small and sent out every second on its channel, has to sent out every second so you can channel surf, each time you select a channel the receiver must get the encrypted CW packet for that channel, decrypt it then apply it to the scrambled digital Video/Audio packets to unscramble them.
So the Control Word encryption/decryption is what the SmartCards(smartchips) are for, they never see any audio or video just the CW packets.

N1 is a method of CW decryption
N2 is a method of CW decryption
N3 is a method of CW decryption

A Smartcard only has 1 method inside, its either an N1, N2 or N3 card, there is no "cross decryption", no reason for it.
The encrypted CW packets are small, N2 and N3 packets can be sent out on all channels at the same time, they do not slow things down.
An N2 and N3 packet will have the same decrypted CW inside, for the same channel.
Once all subscribers to a channel have their N3 cards the encrypted N2 CW packets are dropped from that channel, so no N2 cards can get that channel, nor could any N2 based CW decryption software, i.e. FTAs or EMUs.

There is no way to reverse the math on a Control Word decryption, meaning you can see the packet numbers as encrypted and then see it decrypted, but can not duplicate the process to decrypt it simply by knowing the answer, the type math used in this type of decryption is used because it is not reversable.
So the only way to "break" a new CW decryption is to open a card that uses that decryption and get the info from inside, the reason you can decrypt DN N2 CW packets is because a DN N2 sub card was opened and the info inside was made public, FTA coders then applied that info to use in their "bins".

So the only way an FTA coder can make an N3 "bin" is if a "card hacker" can break into a DN N3 card and read the info inside.
"Card hacking" and coding are different things.
"Card hackers" are all about getting around the security of the cards hardware, getting the info from inside is a by product, it just proof that they did it.

So in general FTA coders are not "working on N3", they are "coders" not "card hackers", once/if an N3 card is opened, then and only then can the "coders" go to work.

fiberman13

nice post

C&P
From other site :

N1, N2 and N3 are Control Word(CW) encryption/decryption methods, they are not about the scrambling of a digital channel.
The way digital channels are scambled hasn't changed since the first digital channels started to be scrambled, it is an unbreakable method, in realtime, you could unscramble a digital channel if given the time, say 1 year for a 2 hour show, so not really a practical argument that it can be unscrambled by brute force, .
All providers use the same method of digital scrambing, DN, DTV, StarChoice, and Digital Cable companies, thats because it is unbreakable.
A digital channel is scramble by applying a random 8 byte number to it, this random number is called the Control Word(CW), it is saved and sent out to subscribers.
An 8 byte number has:
256 x 256 x 256 x 256 x 256 x 256 x 256 x 256
possible combinations, this is why it is unbreakable, , in realtime

So there is no change in scrambling between N2 and N3, what is changed is the way the provider sends out the 8 byte Control Word to all its subscribers.
There is one CW per channel and each CW is changed every 2 to 5 minutes on each channel, this is the problem with "realtime" brute force methods.
Each CW packet is small and sent out every second on its channel, has to sent out every second so you can channel surf, each time you select a channel the receiver must get the encrypted CW packet for that channel, decrypt it then apply it to the scrambled digital Video/Audio packets to unscramble them.
So the Control Word encryption/decryption is what the SmartCards(smartchips) are for, they never see any audio or video just the CW packets.

N1 is a method of CW decryption
N2 is a method of CW decryption
N3 is a method of CW decryption

A Smartcard only has 1 method inside, its either an N1, N2 or N3 card, there is no "cross decryption", no reason for it.
The encrypted CW packets are small, N2 and N3 packets can be sent out on all channels at the same time, they do not slow things down.
An N2 and N3 packet will have the same decrypted CW inside, for the same channel.
Once all subscribers to a channel have their N3 cards the encrypted N2 CW packets are dropped from that channel, so no N2 cards can get that channel, nor could any N2 based CW decryption software, i.e. FTAs or EMUs.

There is no way to reverse the math on a Control Word decryption, meaning you can see the packet numbers as encrypted and then see it decrypted, but can not duplicate the process to decrypt it simply by knowing the answer, the type math used in this type of decryption is used because it is not reversable.
So the only way to "break" a new CW decryption is to open a card that uses that decryption and get the info from inside, the reason you can decrypt DN N2 CW packets is because a DN N2 sub card was opened and the info inside was made public, FTA coders then applied that info to use in their "bins".

So the only way an FTA coder can make an N3 "bin" is if a "card hacker" can break into a DN N3 card and read the info inside.
"Card hacking" and coding are different things.
"Card hackers" are all about getting around the security of the cards hardware, getting the info from inside is a by product, it just proof that they did it.

So in general FTA coders are not "working on N3", they are "coders" not "card hackers", once/if an N3 card is opened, then and only then can the "coders" go to work.

This is partially correct..... a coder is not a hacker.... it takes someone else to hack the card before the coders start to work..... to say that it is not hackable is incorrect...... and the numbers are not random..... the encryption on the card is what tells your receiver what to do with the numbers sent to it from the data stream...... the bin file generated by the coders works in conjunction with the card and the numbers to decrypt the signal.....

brad i do 100% agree with this statement though ----->
So the only way an FTA coder can make an N3 "bin" is if a "card hacker" can break into a DN N3 card and read the info inside.
"Card hacking" and coding are different things.
"Card hackers" are all about getting around the security of the cards hardware, getting the info from inside is a by product, it just proof that they did it.

So in general FTA coders are not "working on N3", they are "coders" not "card hackers", once/if an N3 card is opened, then and only then can the "coders" go to work.

brad i do 100% agree with this statement though ----->
So the only way an FTA coder can make an N3 "bin" is if a "card hacker" can break into a DN N3 card and read the info inside.
"Card hacking" and coding are different things.
"Card hackers" are all about getting around the security of the cards hardware, getting the info from inside is a by product, it just proof that they did it.

So in general FTA coders are not "working on N3", they are "coders" not "card hackers", once/if an N3 card is opened, then and only then can the "coders" go to work.

Exactly..... hence the fact that VS coders never hacked n2... the truth of the matter is that nobody hacked n2.... VS bought it...... then handed it to teh coders so they could do their work..... hacking a card involves the use of acid and electron microscopes..... not a keyboard and a pot of coffee.....lol

Exactly..... hence the fact that VS coders never hacked n2... the truth of the matter is that nobody hacked n2.... VS bought it...... then handed it to teh coders so they could do their work..... hacking a card involves the use of acid and electron microscopes..... not a keyboard and a pot of coffee.....lol

Hmmm... I wonder if that Alien I have locked up in my basement can lick the G3 card with his acid tongue and look at the circuits with his magna-vision and write the code to a USB stick for me?

I knew I kept him/her for a reason!:lol::lol:

rumors,,, rumors,,, rumors,,, how can people get mad while reading the rumors section

Anything can be broken that is made to begin with... esp. when you know how it was made... BUT...as long as something is broken, there would be no need, motivation or money in breaking something else that is made of the exact same thing.... once its all fixed and nothing is broken, then it will only be a matter of time before "something" is broken... but it could be anything probably the easiest target first... somehow, someway... absolutely !

Just my opinion ! all possible candidates are open for engagement !

PS> can you say PV+ ?

gb1

just a thought, posting a live url in a thread that has nothing to do with the thread most likely breaks a couple forum rules!!

:o Rules for songs?
Well Im really sorry about that.

gb1

Rule #14 - Do not Thread Hijack. Thread Hijacking refers to the act of making a post in a thread which is irrelevant to the original thread topic. An example would be, if a person is asking a question in regards to programming their FTA and a person decides to make a post regarding keys. Thread Hijacking is unacceptable and in doing so will have your thread deleted.

whats posting a song got to do with niagra 3?

I don't see N3 being hacked. If it does then we will be happy. Just be happy what we have for now !!!

LOL wait and see? how long we supposed to wait before we give up?

Personally I had the hack I would be sitting on it right now. It is going to be worth a lot more to the big companies when the skies go black and their warehouses are not emptying out. then you would sell to the highest bidder and you are talking at least a 7 digit figure.

Here is a hint, watch the big dealers! You see their prices go down after a cpl weeks of all black there is no fix close. You see their prices start to sneak back up then most likely they have an inside scoop on something.

As for who gets it first, if and when there is one, well it will be one of the big brands who don't mind paying the big bucks for bragging rights.

id love to go on jerry springer and say i live in a trailer park hacking porno :)


Keith, see if you can get Ricky, Julien and Bubbles to join you:lol:

Hell Count Me In Also

gb1

Rule #14 - Do not Thread Hijack. Thread Hijacking refers to the act of making a post in a thread which is irrelevant to the original thread topic. An example would be, if a person is asking a question in regards to programming their FTA and a person decides to make a post regarding keys. Thread Hijacking is unacceptable and in doing so will have your thread deleted.

whats posting a song got to do with niagra 3?

Nope, you are correct. It has nothing to do with N3 but it does have everything to do with Rumors. Buddy cracked about Rumors, it was kinda funny I thought. I also thought I apologized as well.
Thanks for posting Rule# 14.

as monkey311 posted i went off topic also.... point made :)

if it was on a talk show who knows if its true

http://www.ftabins.net/images/quote.gif Originally Posted by keith1612 http://www.ftabins.net/images/blaze/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.ftabins.net/showthread.php?p=481816#post481816)
id love to go on jerry springer and say i live in a trailer park hacking porno :)


as monkey311 posted i went off topic also.... point made :)



Where

hacking porno

That has something to do with something keith

i was a bit tough on gb1 he was just having fun also

Just wondering if there is any credibility to this radioshow..never even heard of it until now.. probably nothing like Shaun Kenny (yellow rain) or Satellite watch news which had the latest and greatest for the vc2.

Why does the switch to N3 on DN have to happen first????? That wont change a thing!!!! DN is totaly commited to this switch and its gonna happen crack or no crack.

i agree with you................. but thats what they did last time n1 to n2. dont ask me why but i remember exactly what happened

the last channel to go was univision and my wife called and said it was done..... i came home checked the forms and there was the file i put it in and (bam) all was working again for DVB card.

i just hope the do the same again :worship:

papa

Like spin242 said..Just because your one place doesnt mean you don't have testers where a program is accessible to test it for you! You never heard off off shore testing. Get with the program guys! Testing bins can be formulated anywhere and tested anywhere via email, torrents, etc! Has everyone already forgotten about the "HU" cards? Tested originally in Germany, Modified in an off shore testing ground, Perfected in USA! I hope Im not the only oldschooler here, because thats where high-tech became high-tech!!

NAG3 Reported Cracked on U.S. Talkshow
Ah you people when do you live in Gosipstan?

haha u know whats sad that the hope of this being true ended up with 8 pages of reply lol wow people easy and simple if there was anything even remotely close to a crack or hack or work around then b3v would have already had it think people b3v already is done why is there dn hack but not b3v? so people dont be fooled if there is a crack trust me it will be huge lil like it will be everywhere not on an unknown station that probably doesn't exist.

Sorry to break up the argument by inserting facts ;) I've known about this show but never watched... I've bought stuff from these people before. All good experiences. Somebody ferret this out. If they're trying to sell nfusion or IKS, I'll be bummed. Otherwise... this is the best "rumor" I've read in awhile, I'll have to swing the old dish around to 97W and check this out tomorrow! (umm...it's now Friday, so today).

GLOBAL COMMUNICATIONS

ON-LINE CATALOG AND
INFORMATION SOURCE

MIKE and LAUREL KOHL
S-9141 State Road 23
Plain, Wisconsin 53577-9612 U.S.A.
Tune In To Our Weekly Radio Show
On The ACCESS AMERICA Satellite Network
Now on MPEG-2-DVB Free-To-Air
97.0 West GALAXY 19 Satellite
12115 MHz Vertical 22.425 Symbol Rate

LIVE show on FRIDAYS starting at 9pm EDT
SATELLITE RELATED NEWS & TECHNICAL DISCUSSION

Sorry to break up the argument by inserting facts ;) I've known about this show but never watched... I've bought stuff from these people before. All good experiences. Somebody ferret this out. If they're trying to sell nfusion or IKS, I'll be bummed. Otherwise... this is the best "rumor" I've read in awhile, I'll have to swing the old dish around to 97W and check this out tomorrow! (umm...it's now Friday, so today).

GLOBAL COMMUNICATIONS

ON-LINE CATALOG AND
INFORMATION SOURCE

MIKE and LAUREL KOHL
S-9141 State Road 23
Plain, Wisconsin 53577-9612 U.S.A.
Tune In To Our Weekly Radio Show
On The ACCESS AMERICA Satellite Network
Now on MPEG-2-DVB Free-To-Air
97.0 West GALAXY 19 Satellite
12115 MHz Vertical 22.425 Symbol Rate

LIVE show on FRIDAYS starting at 9pm EDT
SATELLITE RELATED NEWS & TECHNICAL DISCUSSION

No they don't sell infusions. They do mention the infusion though in the april 17th show. I don't know where you got those names either. The show is done by Mr. Richard Buckner. He is out of Indiana. (Almost a neighbor. Only an hour or so away.) If your interested I posted a link that was not live in an earlier post in this thread. To repeat that it was, xxx.ftashow.com. You know what to do with the x's. They have a show every week. April 17 show in the archives is what the buzz in this thread is about. It's a 4 hour show that talks about true fta. The part that this thread topic is about is approx 2/3 of the way through the show. If you have media player you can fast forward with the slider at the bottom to the place where they disscuss n3. Maybe start listening about 60% of the way through. :)

N3 will not be hacked. They been using the new cards for 2 years now Europe. They are not open to this day. I hope that everyone has a back up.

i was a bit tough on gb1 he was just having fun also


:worship: LOL :worship:

No they don't sell infusions. They do mention the infusion though in the april 17th show. I don't know where you got those names either. The show is done by Mr. Richard Buckner. He is out of Indiana. (Almost a neighbor. Only an hour or so away.) If your interested I posted a link that was not live in an earlier post in this thread. To repeat that it was, xxx.ftashow.com. You know what to do with the x's. They have a show every week. April 17 show in the archives is what the buzz in this thread is about. It's a 4 hour show that talks about true fta. The part that this thread topic is about is approx 2/3 of the way through the show. If you have media player you can fast forward with the slider at the bottom to the place where they disscuss n3. Maybe start listening about 60% of the way through. :)

Dude, read the post and do a google search for the name (rather than saying "I don't know where you got those names" ... man, everyone's touchy in this thread!). This is a pretty well-known company and they've been listing this broadcast for a long time on their Web site. I'll make it easier for you: xxx.global-cm.net.

I'm tuning in tonight. :yes:

N3 will not be hacked. They been using the new cards for 2 years now Europe. They are not open to this day. I hope that everyone has a back up.
I wonder how this will go over!

N3 will not be hacked

You know this how?


I call BS

I wonder how this will go over!

N3 will not be hacked

You know this how?


I call BS

he is playing the odds going by n3 in europe.

Your lucky Keith I lost all my rep points lol

Heads or tails

I dont think it will be hacked ether!! Compermised or leaked, perhaps.

At least you said you think

this is the rumours section, its all speculation.

Exactly so lets keep it that way. However Keith dont you think if someone makes a claim of fact should'nt we allowed to question it even it it is in the rumor section. Apperantly its in the rules. We can question but no bashing and I think that is an awesome rule!

of course, why have a disscusion forum if you dont discuss.
thats the fun of it.

Thank you! You made my day now back to the stock market. Btw would be happy to give you my opinion on some stocks lol

Flipping coins there too

If you pick some good stocsk for me I will give you some of those rep points back....LOL.... (not that I am the one who took any away).....

This is the best rumour thread I have read in a long time

i will give u my opinion good or bad it will not be cracked but card sharing will be here

Crap! Why would american coders go to france to crack bev and dn? LMAO

Crap! Why would american coders go to france to crack bev and dn? LMAO

PLain and simple, because Canadians speak french, so if they learn french maybe they will know hot to cracked the encrypted canadian french channels!!! duh!!!

If you pick some good stocsk for me I will give you some of those rep points back....LOL.... (not that I am the one who took any away).....

This is the best rumour thread I have read in a long time


SUNCOR Brad Canadian stock (Symbol is su) Should be worth at least 5000000 rep points. lol

I'm listening to the show right now on 97W... so far, very boring...

PLain and simple, because Canadians speak french, so if they learn french maybe they will know hot to cracked the encrypted canadian french channels!!! duh!!!

NON! Je ne parle pas en francais and I don't think en francais is a programming language either LOL

Very hopeful- but still not holding my breath:roll:

N3 is already partialy cracked, there is a small glitch they have to overcome.
when all rest goes N3 it will be only about 2wks for some un-named units
to be up and running wide open for all providers.(just hang in there and you will see)
:o)

uh-huh ..small glitch is called control words hehehe

it means that N3 must be fully implemented for any new release. (get the idea ?)

uh-huh ..small glitch is called control words hehehe

You know it, wait till May 1st, badda bing badda boom,,,,,,new routine

wow, being patient is soo hard...lol

no N3 doesn;t have to be fully implemented for and so called crack to work, I know coding been doing one type or another for over 25 years now.

So if there is a crack it would work on N3 channels right now, but, it would not work on N2 channels as the algorithms are different. So if you had a N3 hack and released it right now it would open up porn and internationals again but any channel still on N2 would be black. You would have an inverse of channels that most have now.

nag 3 with be hacked, code can always be exploited, it just takes time, and a whole lot of patience.

who knows, it may take a whole machine replacement to accomplish it.

hacking isn't easy, but what is made by humans can be undone by humans.

some people just don't have allot of faith in the coders.

hahahaha and you know this how?

i will get nailed with the doom and gloom factor but there has been zero proof of anything positive of a N3 hack.
just rumours and bs.
i just look with open eyes and dont bury my head in the sand.
can it happen, of course.
at this point doesnt look good.
so keep posting the crap, its good reading in the worst case :)

no N3 doesn;t have to be fully implemented for and so called crack to work, I know coding been doing one type or another for over 25 years now.

So if there is a crack it would work on N3 channels right now, but, it would not work on N2 channels as the algorithms are different. So if you had a N3 hack and released it right now it would open up porn and internationals again but any channel still on N2 would be black. You would have an inverse of channels that most have now.

It is my understanding that right now ALL channels are being simulcast with N2 and N3. With the exception of adult and international which have been shut off on N2.

To me it seems N3 could be compromised early with no loss of channels. In fact it would unlock all. We would be ahead of Charlie's own customers waiting for them to catch up.

I'd bet there is a plan in place and we are watching it from the sidelines.

Spectator Sport from here on out...

nag 3 with be hacked, code can always be exploited, it just takes time, and a whole lot of patience.

who knows, it may take a whole machine replacement to accomplish it.

hacking isn't easy, but what is made by humans can be undone by humans.

some people just don't have allot of faith in the coders.


hmmm who was ballbusting coders?.... I was simply explaining the concept of a bin and how programming works in general

but to say there is a fix but the glitch can not be resolved until N3 is fully implemnted is simply WRONG! Now, he might be getting at the most receivers do not have enough RAM to handle a hybrid code that would do both N2 & N3 and no new file would be released until everything is N3.

Now if that is the case say so, but forget the gibberish and cloak and dagger stuff because those kind of posts are foolish and tell everybody absolutely nothing.

i dont know about all that stuff... just get a new hobby til n3crack is released. for my self,,, im getting a 300gallon reef tank set up this weekend, i am going to grow from eggs ,,, Black Banded Cat Shark and coral banded reef sharks. and Blue-ringed octopus,,,,,thats my new hobby..i have a 130 gallon ref tank but no sharks in that one.. i have too many nice corals and coco worms,, and reef fish.. so no sharks in this tank...ill post photos as i set things up

i dont know about all that stuff... just get a new hobby til n3crack is released. for my self,,, im getting a 300gallon reef tank set up this weekend, i am going to grow from eggs ,,, Black Banded Cat Shark and coral banded reef sharks. and Blue-ringed octopus,,,,,thats my new hobby..i have a 130 gallon ref tank but no sharks in that one.. i have too many nice corals and coco worms,, and reef fish.. so no sharks in this tank...ill post photos as i set things up

i have a 120 gallon with fresh water and tinfoil barbs the size of dinner plates and some ciclids etc.
i love it, never tried salt.
we need a section for this, hehe i wanna get a black knife ghost fish next (electric eel).

i will get nailed with the doom and gloom factor but there has been zero proof of anything positive of a N3 hack.
just rumours and bs.
i just look with open eyes and dont bury my head in the sand.
can it happen, of course.
at this point doesnt look good.
so keep posting the crap, its good reading in the worst case :)

some little proof is porn on slinger yes it freezes but is open,so would have to be some what into cam to make them work either way you look at it.have to be able to mod the cam some.so thats a start.yes its a iks unit but has the porn working look like some hope.

man I would love to have a big salt water tank but too much work for me plus I would probably keep lobsters in there and eat my pets hehehe

maybe we should recommend a section for pet/ whatever type talk for this.
id love to chat with salt water experts.

Just hpe for the best

some little proof is porn on slinger yes it freezes but is open,so would have to be some what into cam to make them work either way you look at it.have to be able to mod the cam some.so thats a start.yes its a iks unit but has the porn working look like some hope.

exactly, someone (or team) found a way to partially get around it, its not absolutely amazingly great news for us, but its a positive side to whats going on, and it is possible, even if its pretty unwatchable at the moment, it still leaves some ideas as to what can be done, and other coders can possibly work with and around this method (possibly).

exactly, someone (or team) found a way to partially get around it, its not absolutely amazingly great news for us, but its a positive side to whats going on, and it is possible, even if its pretty unwatchable at the moment, it still leaves some ideas as to what can be done, and other coders can possibly work with and around this method (possibly).

not to be rude but i dont belive any of it.
either you can hack ppv or you cant.... i dont see how you can have a 1/2 way hack.

yeah that my point Keith, either you do or you don't.... no gray areas cuz it is simple binary .... 0 or 1, on or off, yes or no.

as for slinger , well I kinda of think they just doing the nfusion thing really and just sub a few porn and stream them to make it look good

no N3 doesn;t have to be fully implemented for and so called crack to work, I know coding been doing one type or another for over 25 years now.

So if there is a crack it would work on N3 channels right now, but, it would not work on N2 channels as the algorithms are different. So if you had a N3 hack and released it right now it would open up porn and internationals again but any channel still on N2 would be black. You would have an inverse of channels that most have now.

You are correct,the adult channels that we lost recently are now broadcasting in Nagravision 3 only,everything else is broadcasting in 2 & 3,which makes perfect sense.:thmbup:

Where are the BINS !!!!????????

AAAAhun

not to be rude but i dont belive any of it.
either you can hack ppv or you cant.... i dont see how you can have a 1/2 way hack.

its not rude, i totally understand.


even top companies with grade A coders have had there work exploited by simple people with enough knowledge and time to do so, even when their exploits are patched, people still find a way to crack the code (goes for handhelds, apps, consoles etc).

eg: my itouch 2g was said that it probably couldn't be jail broken (bare with me), some time after, somebody found a way to jail break it 1/2 way by having to keep it tethered to the computer, a while later, they were able to take it further and have it fully jail broken and untethered.

its been like this with satellite also, although its way harder to crack than a measly ipod, i still believe there will eventually be a work around.

code will always have exploits, even if it doesn't prove anything, n3 will have areas ready to be exploited and hopefully to a point that may give some hope.

its not rude, i totally understand.


even top companies with grade A coders have had there work exploited by simple people with enough knowledge and time to do so, even when their exploits are patched, people still find a way to crack the code (goes for handhelds, apps, consoles etc).

eg: my itouch 2g was said that it probably couldn't be jail broken (bare with me), some time after, somebody found a way to jail break it 1/2 way by having to keep it tethered to the computer, a while later, they were able to take it further and have it fully jail broken and untethered.

its been like this with satellite also, although its way harder to crack than a measly ipod, i still believe there will eventually be a work around.

code will always have exploits, even if it doesn't prove anything, n3 will have areas ready to be exploited and hopefully to a point that may give some hope.

so you missed this post...............
Originally Posted by WebWizard View Post
no N3 doesn;t have to be fully implemented for and so called crack to work, I know coding been doing one type or another for over 25 years now.

So if there is a crack it would work on N3 channels right now, but, it would not work on N2 channels as the algorithms are different. So if you had a N3 hack and released it right now it would open up porn and internationals again but any channel still on N2 would be black. You would have an inverse of channels that most have now.

key is this::::algorithms are different....why you say no fix due to no ppv n2/n3 porn full n3 big differences .same thing as n1 to n2 those two were different also.

yep code will always have exploits, if nothing else at least a backdoor into it for programmers for troubleshooting or whatever. Now whether it gives access to anything usable is another question as well.

It is a wait and see game at this point, if N3 is hacked then the coders who done it are staying quiet. Personally I have heard both from reliable sources but the proof is in the pudding. If what I heard is true then the first ones releasing an N3 fix is going to surprise a lot of people. I will believe it when I see it, simple reason being, Europe still hasn't cracked it and they have been using same technology for a few years now and as close as they come is IKS.

WebWizard you are correct when u say Europe but there is way larger money in the market here,you will see large money spent to make it happen.its all about the might dollar.

The European market is spread across all of Europe with many small countries using N3. Each small market likely having their own version of N3. How many different receiver companies are selling in Europe? The sheer variety of providers and customers makes it less lucrative to pay for a leaked exploit since the returns would be minimal.

The US market is relatively new to a handful of receiver manufacturers. All of which are painfully aware of the explosive potential of sales if their box were to be the one to buy once the changeover takes effect. It's not a matter of "if" N3 gets leaked, but "when" and "how much" and paid for "by who?".

Not saying the desire alone is enough for the European N3 to be hacked, just that the return on investment may have kept it from happening. Once N3 hits here and a hack is made, the Europeans can reverse engineer it for themselves....

-- This is purely my opinion and only based on what I've read.... take this post with a grain of salt.

Thank you.

This has been the most hopeful rumor ever.

well guys believe what you want but if you think the European markets aren't lucrative then you are sadly mistaken as well. Europe is way ahead of us in both encryption and receiver technology and even if every country got their own twist on it, it is not that much different. Why do you think FTA here can grab both BEV and DN? Different countries once again and the Cdn market is not that big.

UK is about the size of Saskatchewan and population is about 2.5 times that of Canada so you can't say they have no market there. Anyway, that is way off topic.

The thing is I have heard this crap all before, statements like we are 75% there, or we have a few glitches to iron out. That is the load of crap I am talking about! No different than a damn padlock really, either the key works or it doesn't. You could have 10,000 keys that fit that lock but if you don't have the right one the lock will not open. No such thing as half opening the lock.

And if you look around the forums, look at all the complaints for freezing and losing signal and so on. It makes me wonder if they have even solved Nag2 as of yet. Now either there is a lot of dumb FTA users out there, or, NAG2 is still causing a lot of issues for boxes so what makes you think a higher level of encryption is going to be a walk in the park.

What really gets me is bins with words "FULL EMU" in the title. That is a crock as well... FULL EMULATION would mean never having to install another bin as it replicates the original box so well it is identical and an ecm could never effect it. Half the time they are down on a key change or a simple timing issue.

So believe what you want, I will believe a hack when I see it running, and yes, if there is one I will be beta testing it while most ppl are still sitting with fingers crossed, hoping for the best.

im going with history repeating itself....... there waiting for all to switch over to n3 and then BAM!....... the fix is out :idea:

proof ................ nope but neither do you so this is my opinion and you have yours, well just have to wait and see.

i respect that ! :thmbup:

papa

The DN / BTV piracy talk is found on the April 17th, 2009 episode from the 2:36:15 mark to the 2:53:12 mark. I'm not quite convinced by the "N3 is hacked" comments since neither of the guys sounds very technical but the guest does know more than the host does about satellite security. I find it strange that a person who's supposedly against piracy would know how many "lines of code" are different between the N2 and N3 cards. They couldn't even remember Chris Tarnovsky's name so it doesn't sound like they're that informed. :rolleyes:

hi, i want to know with wish emulation have you been open N3, and what kind of reciver?

thank you

im going with history repeating itself....... there waiting for all to switch over to n3 and then BAM!....... the fix is out :idea:

proof ................ nope but neither do you so this is my opinion and you have yours, well just have to wait and see.

i respect that ! :thmbup:

papa

got to agree man, would be sweet for sure and quite possible it might happen that way. Point I am trying to pound home is that people do not buy into these off the wall statements like having to wait for Nag3 completion before it can be implemented and other statements looking to keep box sales up.

They are either outright lying, half-truths, or wishful thinking but coding doesn't work that way and the only ones who believe them are those that have no clue how coding, encryption and decryption actually work

got to agree man, would be sweet for sure and quite possible it might happen that way. Point I am trying to pound home is that people do not buy into these off the wall statements like having to wait for Nag3 completion before it can be implemented and other statements looking to keep box sales up.

They are either outright lying, half-truths, or wishful thinking but coding doesn't work that way and the only ones who believe them are those that have no clue how coding, encryption and decryption actually work


Which is the majority of the FTA users out there.... Most are supported by the smart friend who found it in the first place.;)

Where is the Money???????

ShOw meee tha Mmoneyyy!!!!!!!! ("from ice truckers")

Where are the BINS??????

LOL yeah we need a FTA license exam :)

well this was fun to read, oooops sorry Went off the ROMOUR topic...and hijacked a thread in one simple little sentence...Sorry bout that...In reading some of these threads i think obama needs to get some people a job

wll i'm watching n3 right now and its working good on ppl and i don't have my frings crossed. and i'm watching it on my viewsat 2000 like i said its working great.

wll i'm watching n3 right now and its working good on ppl and i don't have my frings crossed. and i'm watching it on my viewsat 2000 like i said its working great.

hahahahaha ok

wll i'm watching n3 right now and its working good on ppl and i don't have my frings crossed. and i'm watching it on my viewsat 2000 like i said its working great.

yeah right LOL prove it then and upload the file you are using and let some people test it or if you are not to release it publicly then PM a staff and sent it to them and let them test and report on it. Other than that I say it is just more BS trying to fuel the fire

yeah.....get me the file...... I will be more than happy to do one of two things....

1) Make you a hero...

or

2) Send your ass to the readers club for a while for blatantly posting erroneous information....

So, just let me have a copy of the file.

Man, what I would give to have my name as the one asscociated with cracking N3. I would be a legend. And just think of all the rep points I would get. Boy I sure know how to dream.

WTG Kenmo!

if your watching n3 right now ,,its a black screen enjoy

maybe he's watching n3 on aa veiwsat 2000 with nfsuion guts for beverly...lol

yeah.....get me the file...... I will be more than happy to do one of two things....

1) Make you a hero...

or

2) Send your ass to the readers club for a while for blatantly posting erroneous information....

So, just let me have a copy of the file.

easy.... it does say rumours....lol

i have a 120 gallon with fresh water and tinfoil barbs the size of dinner plates and some ciclids etc.
i love it, never tried salt.
we need a section for this, hehe i wanna get a black knife ghost fish next (electric eel).

I have a black knife ghost 4 inches long now..... neat fish... loves the bloodworms...... have 2 angels, a bala shark, congo tetra and two plecostamus....... maybe we should have a section...... sorry for the hijack....lol

Man, what I would give to have my name as the one asscociated with cracking N3. I would be a legend. And just think of all the rep points I would get. Boy I sure know how to dream.


hehehe would all those rep points help you in court :)

I think if you get 1000 you can trade them in for some lubricant...... if you catch my drift.....lol

brad

here's mine

edit: oops i better give er a little cleaning

nice..... not at home but will send you some pics when i get back..... will try and get a good view of the ghost knife....

I think if you get 1000 you can trade them in for some lubricant...... if you catch my drift.....lol

maybe toss a little sand into that lube from your fish tank for some traction hehehe

easy.... it does say rumours....lol

big difference between a rumor and total BS hehehe

easy.... it does say rumours....lol

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since he said he was actually watching, he is passing it as a fact....so which of the two categories above does it fall into?

big difference between a rumor and total BS hehehe

The only difference between a rumour and bs is the air of credibility.... for example....

I am watching n3 channels on my vs2000... running fine..... = BS

I am testing a release from Cyphris as part of a limited test market = rumour


LOL

[quote=superbrad;483492]The only difference between a rumour and bs is the air of credibility.... for example....

I am watching n3 channels on my vs2000... running fine..... = BS

You got that right....

I am testing a release from Cyphris as part of a limited test market = rumour

Well, actually that could be a statement of fact, not a rumour. If he had said he heard there was a test file out for it, then it may be a rumour. But more than likely, BS.


Damn, now you got me spelling words the way you do Brad....lol

LOL..... lets not bring up the cdn / US spelling thing again.....it just seems to me that this site has redefined "rumour"...... The FTABINS definition of rumor as follows:

Rumor or Rumour (lol) : A false statement which, when posted, cannot be proven untrue...

Rumours -- lies -- BS-- this thread is becoming kinda FISHY !!!! LOL

Yeah, lol this is getting a little out of hand. I didn't think i would get this many replies. Well it is what it is. I found it on another site posted it here and now here we are. I haven't even seen the Talk Show, ill have to watch it later. So lets try to keep this thread on topic guys.

CellToolz

que pasara con los reciver que trabajan con nag2 y como trbajaran con nag3??

They may have ment that they cracked regular nag three in europe on their system not bev or dn:clap:

Yeah, lol this is getting a little out of hand. I didn't think i would get this many replies. Well it is what it is. I found it on another site posted it here and now here we are. I haven't even seen the Talk Show, ill have to watch it later. So lets try to keep this thread on topic guys.

CellToolz

I never watched the video either and don't have to know it is crap.... hehehe now had the guys face been blacked out and him showing a fta receiver up and running porn wide open I might be tempted to go hmmmm

but these guys just discussing it reminds me of Bill Mahers talk show. Some heavy topic like nuclear arms in N Korea and then having Carrot Top as one of the guys on the panel. Basically it is all heresay until one provides proof