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Tealhawke

04-28-2009, 07:57 PM

Anyways... like midnight just said... back on topic... As far as stand alone is concerned sv is tops right now..... very anxious to see what they do with IKS

Guys... I can't stand this...

I can't give you specifics, so I'll give you some logic, you connect the dots.

1. Sonicview is NOT working on an Internet hub. I can't believe the loose IKS talk that goes on around here, to the point where other FTA veterans are even considering this to be true. My god, nFusion people come across as idiots so often in these posts.

There is a REASON nfusion has a monopoly on IKS: ALL of the other companies (aside from one other rumored) have never gone IKS for a solution. NEVER. And you'll find that almost all the IKS users are not among the veterans of these boards. IKS has never been a solution to anything. As soon as a true fix comes, IKS will go away again. Does that tell you something?

2. Forget everything you've been reading or hearing for rumors. Just consider these points logically:
a) Sonicview and Viewsat make the best boxes, or best selling boxes. Both battle to release fixes first because it helps their reputation and then their sales. In December, we had solid information from Cyphris (posted repeatedly as new rumors here ever since) that SV had made great strides and a fix was in sight, though it was rumored that it may require a new hardware purchase. Meanwhile, Cyphris said the coders were finishing their full EMUs so they could finish up the N3 fix. And it was said it could take time, as this fix would be easier with some boxes than others. And, meanwhile, SV took a big jump ahead of viewsat for about a month, as SV's full emu stayed wide open while VS boxes were needing fixes. That was in January. Since February, neither SV or VS had needed a fix.

b) There was word from SV in December that a new hardware addition might be needed. Since then, we've heard nothing from the coders -- perhaps because the fix requires more hardware (as we were told). Now, with just a couple weeks left of DN before darkness, SV quietly announces two new models (and they already have about six models that sell well, why are two new ones coming?) will be available in a couple of weeks. SV knows what DN is doing and when they are doing it better than we do. The timing cannot be coincidental. No way.

c) Is there anyone that believes that a company with the resources, quality boxes and strong, even dominant reputation of Sonicview would release two new units to buyers, whom they know are buying their products to watch free tv, at at time when the company's boxes would be useless for the buyer because of N3? They do occasionally elease new receivers, but the timing... they're releasing almost to the day that DN will go black. NOT BEFORE, we know why. The two new ones will be right on time.

I've been down, thinking no fix would come. Now I've learned enough to see how it will likely play out. The announcement from Sonicview about the two new receivers was a signal, finally, and a sign to Viewsat that they better be ready with new hardware too.

But God, people, the more you talk about IKS and nfusion the dumber you look. IKS has never won. Given the choice of IKS and FTA bins, when both are available, 90 percent of everyone on all these boards go back to real FTA, no Internet involved.

Any gamblers here wanna bet good money that Sonicview will go IKS? If you want to bet, a) you're on, name the amount of the bet, and b) you still don't get why nfusion is the only company using IKS. What, do you think nFusion is the only one of these companies that could offer IKS to customers? You think they're better at making receivers than SV and VS?

Do you ever wonder why the other box makers didn't go that way? Do we have to keep trying to explain it to you?

shaner73

04-28-2009, 08:11 PM

Great read and point Tealhawke......only time will tell what in fact....iks or fta.....i'm putting my money with you ......ALL IN!!!

MidNightWatcher

04-28-2009, 08:16 PM

Its about money, if they cant come up with a cradless fix then they are going to go IKS. It's not far fetched at all. Money talks. Any talk about a fix being close to completion or any of that other crap is a sales tactic to get people to keep buying boxes. If you think they wouldn't sell you a box that was going to be worthless in a weeks time you are kidding yourself.

jinx

04-28-2009, 08:26 PM

SV IKS interesting :)

Tealhawke

04-28-2009, 08:29 PM

You just made my point, with a different conclusion.

Sonicview is a successful company that builds FTA boxes. FTA boxes in North America are bought almost entirely by people wanting free TV.

Sonicview's success is due to its product. The company knows it's considered one of the two best. You can read it on these boards, you can ask any FTA dealer... Sonicview is first class.

If you think ANY successful company is going to add two new products at a time when none of the boxes, even theirs, can bring their customers free tv, you don't understand this business or any business. You can be cynical and say anyone will sell someone anything just to make a buck, but there's no practical logic in that. Would Honda sell a car with an engine that won't move, just to make a buck? Do you think so little of Sonicview?

A sales tactic? To release two new models just when all is black would produce huge losses in revenue and permanently damage their reputation for great boxes and great support. That would be more like a suicide tactic. Sonicview has never sold boxes that don't work, they aren't going to sell two new ones, just on the days we go completely black, that don't work. Reputation is everything in this business.

Tealhawke

04-28-2009, 08:42 PM

I'll tell you one thing I've heard repeatedly from Cyphris, Giver, and lots of other people who know more about what's going on: Viewsat and Sonicview coders were working on an N3 fix in December and were relatively close. Most of us know there will be a fix (IKS is not a fix). That's why all the companies have CODERS working hard on the N3 fix. Most of our info about N3 from the coders (through their emissaries) came in October and December, and ALL of it said N3 was quite fixable.

Coders are coders. IKS needs coders and lots of other tech people, but their intentions and work is reported in the open. The coders are silent. They were before N2. They told us N3 would be fixed, and then in January, February and March, they were silent. The blackout is coming, there will be a fix. And VS and SV's coders and their bosses know that the vast majority of us will never go IKS, even if it's offered. They are not working on IKS, and they will not release new receivers at a time when they won't work. Dealers won't sell them because they want to keep their reputations and good sales, and smart people wouldn't buy them.

They haven't been working on IKS all this time. Do you think Sonicview is behind nFusion in any way? Do you think they couldn't have had an IKS receiver months ago, and superior to nFusion, if they thought it a wise business decision? Do you think the coders just gave up and the company gave in to IKS?

History is all you need for these answers.

pahick

04-28-2009, 08:53 PM

My take? I say noones cracking N3. Theyre buying a fix. Now if the seller is unreasonable, you find another route(IKS). That route gives you leverage with the seller of the fix. You can now bargain. In the long run, that route(IKS) pays off. Buying the fix sells more boxes. But by going IKS, you sell the hub, plus more boxes because your up. Buy the fix, your out that money. Go IKS and the money invested to stay up is returned in sold hubs. So, you go with whats cheaper. The fix, or manufacturing costs(hub). At this point it looks like manufacturing costs. In the end, who knows :lol:

freekazoid

04-28-2009, 08:56 PM

I think someone likes Sonicview just a 'lil too much.

pajamas

04-28-2009, 09:04 PM

very convincing, mr. tealhawke.

WebWizard

04-28-2009, 09:43 PM

well IMO Cyphris is not and never was a real reliable source of info but that aside, if indeed SV is due to release a cpl new models about same time N3 kicks in why wouldn't they still try and sell them? Not like, they just called the manufacturer yesterday saying we have a fix for N3 please send us 25000 of each in three weeks.

Those new boxes if they do exist, were designed and ordered at least 6-9 months ago and would be quite difficult for them to renig on the deal at this point seeing as how they probably paid half up front.

Hence the dongle or hub or whatever you want to call it. New boxes do not appear overnight and if you want to sell what you have pre-ordered you better do something to make them marketable

ddog

04-28-2009, 10:23 PM

ha now ha now tealhawkejust hold on a here, you say iks has or will never be a true fix ,you think that iks is only a year or 2 old you need to dig a little, iks is not a new kid on the block and was used in the dave years when you had a old 386 or 486 hooked to your dave box as a fix,the point that all is over looking is we don't know what n3 will bring and if or when a fix does come out iks may serve a better purpose,,i don't know if any here has had a c band sat but the last vcrs boards they came out with could change the data stream every 5 minits and they did for some time till small dss became cracked oh ya they had a card system to with ten diffrent stream on it, see what i am getting to , if dish or bev do this and then they change between the providers so that same program wont work on each provider then youhave a bigger problem. iks can fix to a point , but still need that card unlocked and you can to base all your programe first, if sonic view does do it more power to them i can see them making standalone fixes and iks to work hand in hand but only time will tell,, the one thing that scares me is the talk of n4 , we might have to run a iks system or a card share till the n3 warranty runs off the n3 card so they don't swap right n4 ,, don't think they wont do it cause dave did with p4 and went to p5 and p6 so you never know what they will do

Tealhawke

04-28-2009, 11:01 PM

franky932

04-28-2009, 11:35 PM

franky932

04-28-2009, 11:39 PM

fta fix is a emulation of a (cam) card (rom 102) . coders can not open and can not write rom 240-241 after 8 month in north america and 2 years in Europe.

and some say that a fix is ready!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

boreal island

04-29-2009, 12:35 AM

What the hell is a dongle?

MidNightWatcher

04-29-2009, 01:08 AM

What the hell is a dongle?

Didn't read the first post now did we.

demondirtydemon

04-29-2009, 02:25 AM

dongle its like a serial cable to a box you will have to connect to an ethernet cable
just like a HUB, and for previous talk about rom 102, dont be too sure about that it will not work for n3 and its not working for n3, its all depending on who will buy the software,, so yeah

ddog

04-29-2009, 10:32 AM

its not that they can't get a fix in europe, they don't overly need one cause they are happy with a card share

ddog

04-29-2009, 10:35 AM

what i said in a nut shell is iks has been around for along time it has been a fix for dave in the hu card times so don't countit out

franky932

04-29-2009, 10:58 AM

c/p's from loschg on another site.......

I Am a Authoized Sonicview Dealer and Sponser

What I can say is Its True And Have my order Placed and should be out the First week of May.. The Software from Jan 08 09 will work will work with the dongle.

Gary Losch
Insureteck

Only for the SV 8000 and the 360's

Gary
Insureteck

Its Not a Rumor The Dongle is Being released this Week or next..
The Magicboard This Sept Oct The Iks Killerboard Well the is Nothing Like that you must have bad Info....

Gary
Insureteck

franky932

04-29-2009, 11:00 AM

franky932

04-29-2009, 11:23 AM

saw the add on 2 official sonicview dealer!!!!!!!!!

that is the other one :xxx.sonicviewdealer.com

type: sonicview dongle on goggle :many dealer will sell it

llynch7

04-29-2009, 11:57 AM

becareful what you read...the sonicview main website says until they say something about it there it's just rumor...

pajamas

04-29-2009, 12:02 PM

response to tealhawke:

maybe SV has confidence to produce two more units because they know that they are going to be able to do card sharing to all their boxes using their new dongle-hub.

pajamas

04-29-2009, 12:07 PM

What the hell is a dongle?

A dongle is a small flexible wire that plugs into something (like a laptop or an fta receiver) and gives it an additional ability--in fta a dongle is something that plugs into an fta box and allows it to connect to the internet using an RJ-45 plug.

scwinn

04-29-2009, 12:22 PM

I have a more pragmatic view of things.
When we go dark - that is when the N3 fix is worth the most money. If there is a fix at all it won't happen until darkness comes. When it comes it will be for all boxes because it won't come from an FTA box company.

As for the Sonic View dongle, I believe that IKS solutions will serve in the interim, because a true fix might take several months. So you will see IKS dongles from many STB companies. When the real fix comes out having an IKS solution in place may actually benefit some, but we will have the ability to do either.

k0hr

04-29-2009, 01:00 PM

c/p:
I also will believe it when I see it, but you can actually order this dongle from this Dealer now?!?

List Price: $159.99 sonicview dongle
Our Price: $129.99 sonicview
You Save $30.00!

Availability: Usually Ships in 24 to 48 Hours
Product Code: SONICVIEW-DONGLE

Verrrry Interesting :-)

If that's even remotely true, that's insanity. You could buy an NFusion or a KBox if you wanted to go IKS for less than that price.

Last I checked there was no verification on the home site about this. I'm somehow doubting SV is going to go IKS, unless absolutely there's no hope.

I doubt it because if you think about it, these companies will make a lot more money having a fix instead of going IKS. If they were to all switch over to IKS, they'd have to pay for, and maintain servers, plus pay for the subscriptions, and premiums. That's going to cost money, and their going to loose money by not moving as many receivers. Since you can buy an IKS ready receiver of another brand far cheaper than just this 'dongle,' plus buying a receiver (if you don't already have one.)

In the end it's all about making money, so we'll see what happens soon enough.

franky932

04-29-2009, 01:06 PM

ddog

04-29-2009, 01:32 PM

never know what they will do , sonic might want to keep most of there stbs going unlike coolsat,, captin has a dongle but it didn't work that well at first

jayhoo

04-29-2009, 02:31 PM

i think its true....i mean,WHY NOT......ive been totally against iks from the start and the past month or so ive been really considering trying it out and getting an nfusion,or a dongle for my kbox,and,im sure im not the only one...nfusion seems to be #1 among iks now and sales are probibly highest now than ever,everyone wants bev back,lol,and yes,of course it not a true n3 fix UNLESS....n3s not fully hacked then i guess mabey iks will be the fix??LOL.all im sayin is there's probibly a lot of $$ being spent on iks,stb's right now so why not ....sv,rep is up now,....wont be hard to make fast $$ on this hub ....like everyone else says......we'll see???
and mabey they would get more $$ for a standalone bin but who knows when thats gonna be....mightaswell get what u can for now right?

Tealhawke

04-29-2009, 06:11 PM

response to tealhawke:

maybe SV has confidence to produce two more units because they know that they are going to be able to do card sharing to all their boxes using their new dongle-hub.

I can't keep trying to explain why none of us FTA vets will even think about IKS, and if you love IKS so much, I'm happy for you. You guys don't listen, you can't understand why IKS is nothing near an FTA fix. You guys with like 8 posts on here who ramble on about IKS should read more on the site.

Tealhawke

04-29-2009, 06:29 PM

If that's even remotely true, that's insanity. You could buy an NFusion or a KBox if you wanted to go IKS for less than that price.

Last I checked there was no verification on the home site about this. I'm somehow doubting SV is going to go IKS, unless absolutely there's no hope.

I doubt it because if you think about it, these companies will make a lot more money having a fix instead of going IKS. If they were to all switch over to IKS, they'd have to pay for, and maintain servers, plus pay for the subscriptions, and premiums. That's going to cost money, and their going to loose money by not moving as many receivers. Since you can buy an IKS ready receiver of another brand far cheaper than just this 'dongle,' plus buying a receiver (if you don't already have one.)

In the end it's all about making money, so we'll see what happens soon enough.

Now there's someone thinking clearly, thank you. :D

If any of the other box makers believed in IKS -- which is not only FTA testing, it's a repugnant idea to us testers, it runs counter to what this hobby is all about -- there would be tons of IKS boxes out there. Nfusion is taking advantage of the fact that many FTA users are not hobbyists or testers, they are free-tvers. That company is a bit dumb, if you ask me, because while there's only an outside chance that Nfusion box owners will get busted, there is no loophole in the law for a company that makes boxes that receive keys from the Internet that open channels. You can rant all day and night about how nfusion has found servers that can handle the IKS traffic, but all they are doing is using an easy workaround that is highly traceable. They are clearly breaking the law, they have no alibi, and all a surveillance cop would have to do is check the kind of signals going back and forth and find the satellite signatures. If any company is busted, it's obvious to me that the IKS box makers will be first.

True, nfusion doesn't have everything up yet on IKS, but if you know anything about how IKS really works, you'll see it's not rocket science to make an IKS box. And if you're a clear-thinking, logical person, you should wonder why we have dozens of boxes and box makers, but only one went the IKS route. Sorry, kids, it's not because nFusion is more brilliant than the others. It's the other way around, by far.

franky932

04-29-2009, 06:35 PM

Now there's someone thinking clearly, thank you. :D

If any of the other box makers believed in IKS -- which is not only FTA testing, it's a repugnant idea to us testers, it runs counter to what this hobby is all about -- there would be tons of IKS boxes out there. Nfusion is taking advantage of the fact that many FTA users are not hobbyists or testers, they are free-tvers. That company is a bit dumb, if you ask me, because while there's only an outside chance that Nfusion box owners will get busted, there is no loophole in the law for a company that makes boxes that receive keys from the Internet that open channels. You can rant all day and night about how nfusion has found servers that can handle the IKS traffic, but all they are doing is using an easy workaround that is highly traceable. They are clearly breaking the law, they have no alibi, and all a surveillance cop would have to do is check the kind of signals going back and forth and find the satellite signatures. If any company is busted, it's obvious to me that the IKS box makers will be first.

True, nfusion doesn't have everything up yet on IKS, but if you know anything about how IKS really works, you'll see it's not rocket science to make an IKS box. And if you're a clear-thinking, logical person, you should wonder why we have dozens of boxes and box makers, but only one went the IKS route. Sorry, kids, it's not because nFusion is more brilliant than the others. It's the other way around, by far.

for the fix keep in mind:

fta fix is a emulation of a (cam) card (rom 102) . coders can not open and can not write rom 240-241 after 8 month in north america and 2 years in Europe.

and some say that a fix is ready!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

franky932

04-29-2009, 06:54 PM

k0hr

04-29-2009, 07:08 PM

c/p other site: not bad idea

I did a google search and found a number of ads pertaining to the sonicview dongle, and also a number of dealers that will be selling them. The fact that the sonicview dongle is apparently going to become a happening reality leads me to believe that you may not see a stand along N3 fix for the sonicview receiver for sometime or perhaps never. Mind you--this is just my opinion. But think about it for a second--if sonicview has a N3 fix over the horizon, then why would they go to the trouble to use a dongle? The fact that the dongle is apparently going to come into play for sonicview receivers leads to a couple of other questions. First--the cost. you get a 360 receiver for about 130.00 and you have to pay another 139.00 for a dongle. Unbelieveable! The next question is where will the server be and who will host the server? Will sonicview have their own server or perhaps share a server with another brand (perhaps viewsat). The pieces of the puzzle are all coming together now--sonicview is going to be releasing two new boxes in the very near future--one SD and the other a HD box. These boxes will include a built in internet connection on them and you can about bet these boxes will carry a nice price tag. If you want t.v. you will have to go with one of the worst of the two evils--the price of a dongle or foot the bill for a new sv box with a built in internet connection. either way--sonicview will be laughing all the way to the bank.

What website is that coming from? If you're going to post a quote from another website, post a none-live (hXXP) link along with it.

Considering there's ZERO mention of this "dongle" other than the possibility of a "Magicboard" posted many months back, with no updated confirmation on the official SV home site, I call this nothing more than a rumor.

A rumor quite possibly started by IKS companies. Judging by those prices mentioned in order to get people buying Nfusions, Kbox's, etc, making them think IKS and their receivers are the only, and cheapest way to go.

I'm not against IKS, I just don't believe it's going to be the only option.

satchick

04-29-2009, 07:10 PM

oh since when is sticking a mem stick in a pc and putting it in a reciever called testing ??? or IKS ..testing ....lmao ...you peeps dont have a clue !!!! testing ???? silly rabbit tricks are for kids !!!!...lmao

krandhawa118

04-29-2009, 07:57 PM

I myself live in Vancouver, BC. I bought my Nfusion with IKS and my Sonicview sv-4000 at one time, Later got an SV-360 Premier and YES I did buy these from the Incredible fta store here. I also decided to call in and get more details on te product but the Dealer also said that they had the shipment coming in, in about a week with more details, he himself did not know much detail about it. Sonicview is a much better receiver as I see it, much quicker, the EPG doesn't clear every hour or so when i watch bev and try to view Dik. Right now my Nfusion is up on Bev with no ppv, and adult. I would rather have a fix or IKS which can view PPV ad adult from sonicview. I also bought the new Premier for a reason, because it runs better than a Nfusion. Even the channel load times are noticeably faster on a sonicview compared to a Nfusion. I am a somehat newbie, but I do my reading.

Chuck Farlie

04-29-2009, 08:44 PM

Maybe that dongle is intended to be used as a network connection for your own personal LAN. Streaming video to/from your home PC over the network. Who says an ethernet port is just for an IKS hub? Maybe the SV will incorporate a media server.... how's that for a different angle?

freekazoid

04-29-2009, 08:47 PM

WebWizard

04-29-2009, 08:57 PM

why don't ya'll just wait and see what it is for? I have $10 that says IKS is its'main purpose

ddog

04-29-2009, 09:45 PM

i with ww on this one ,if it not for iks it will be a loss of cash for them, lets face it n3 has not been cracked in europe as fair as we know and its been there for 2 or 3 years ,and no they are not waiting for the US market tofix it,NA market is to small for fta companys to realy care, and if the sonichub is in true a iks system then it would give the nfusion a real run for its money,they have great suport like look how long sonic has been up like jan 9, t-halk you need to do more research on iks systeam before you start talking about something you know nothing about,iks was a great set up for dave and work very well, infact on cband sat you know the 10' dish some of us had well they `had a iks type system on it to, downloaded number file to your video cipher box, i know i had one it work great till it got hit by hurrican the server was iks was the start of the satmen having to come up with better stuff like dss has had to, maybe just maybe sonicview has thought it will try this system to see if its worth it before viewsat coders jump on it ,, oh maybe they want to let the n3 hack sit so that dish and bev don't go straight to n4 i have been reading in this and little birdy says the the companie that is making the n3 card has given dish and bev a warrenty for how lonk i don't know but if this is true this would mean that if a hack comes out to soon nnewe card would be given out and back to the start again, so is iks gona be the fix maybe for some time , but only time will tell

Tealhawke

04-29-2009, 10:25 PM

Notice who's doing all the talking here....

My smarter brethren are watching and laughing, and here I am arguing with newbs. Ug.

Chuck Farlie

04-29-2009, 11:00 PM

Notice who's doing all the talking here....

My smarter brethren are watching and laughing, and here I am arguing with newbs. Ug.

Those with the most to say tend to say the least, and vice versa....

I'll take my motorized dual band any day over IKS.
:cool:

WebWizard

04-29-2009, 11:03 PM

OK Teal, seeing as how you are so much smarter than everyone else here suppose you tell us what the "Sonicview dongle" is supposed to do and if Sonicview is not working on it then why is it advertised on all their authorized dealer sites as coming soon?

And don't give me that line of crap about it not posted on their official site. Of course it isn't! The same way official sites will only host loaders and factory bins. SOnicview FTA receivers are a legitimate product and they are not going to jeopardize that by putting up 3rd party software and hardware.

So come down off your high horse and enlighten all us dummies on what you think that little box with the ethernet port is really for? I kind of doubt they are going to sell many at the price they want especially if all it is going to do is show you local weather on your tv.

franky932

04-30-2009, 12:47 AM

alandcin

04-30-2009, 06:22 AM

pajamas

04-30-2009, 10:08 AM

Notice who's doing all the talking here....

My smarter brethren are watching and laughing, and here I am arguing with newbs. Ug.

Well thanks for slumming with us retarded people, tealhawk :)

Lots of smart fta people are using iks. Not just noobs. And anyway I'm not using iks so I don't really have a dog in the fight... I'm just interested since it looks like the only sure work-around for n3 is iks card sharing.

dslchome

04-30-2009, 11:08 AM

So is it going to be IKS?

c_vince

04-30-2009, 11:25 AM

Well thanks for slumming with us retarded people, tealhawk :)

Lots of smart fta people are using iks. Not just noobs. And anyway I'm not using iks so I don't really have a dog in the fight... I'm just interested since it looks like the only sure work-around for n3 is iks card sharing.

Hey pajamas I have done my search before asking but have been unable to find an answer in the forums. What is IKS?

thanks in advance.

Chuck Farlie

04-30-2009, 11:29 AM

Hey pajamas I have done my search before asking but have been unable to find an answer in the forums. What is IKS?

thanks in advance.

Internet based Key Sharing
:)

k0hr

04-30-2009, 11:55 AM

if Sonicview is not working on it then why is it advertised on all their authorized dealer sites as coming soon?

And don't give me that line of crap about it not posted on their official site. Of course it isn't! The same way official sites will only host loaders and factory bins.

#1. Same thing happened many months ago regarding the "Magicboard."

#2. I believe I was the one who mentioned it's not on the home site. However you aren't making a lot of sense there. So your saying they'll slap their "Sonicview" logo on the supposed device, but won't post it on SVUSA, where their products are listed?

BTW, the home site isn't SVUSA, and on the home site where all SV/Viewsat news hits first, their denying this "Hub" and state it's the "Kbox hub" photoshopped with a "Sonicview" logo on it.

Proof =

(Kbox Hub)
http://transatelectronics.com/store/images/receivers/KHUB.jpg

(Kbox Hub SV Photoshopped)
http://www.incrediblefta.com/images/featuredproducts/comingsoon.jpg

There you have it. :)

Peetee07

04-30-2009, 12:50 PM

what i said in a nut shell is iks has been around for along time it has been a fix for dave in the hu card times so don't countit out

Ummm....that wasn't iks it's emulation..i suppose much like the slinger device without the internet..IKS..Internet Key Sharing....there was no internet used during those HU Dave days. Just to clarify.

pajamas

04-30-2009, 01:10 PM

Hey pajamas I have done my search before asking but have been unable to find an answer in the forums. What is IKS?

thanks in advance.

chuck's answer is right... this is not really thread hijacking since in order to understand why someone would want a hub you would have to understand iks.

internet key sharing is using the internet to update the encryption decoding keys in an fta box. several boxes are in theory capable of doing this, but the only box that is consistently working right now using iks is nfusion.

since the encryption algorithms for n3 have not apparently been hacked, the servers that make the nfusion boxes work update their keys by watching what keys are put out by a regular subbed encryption card, and then those servers share those keys across the internet to all the nfusion boxes.

iks=internet key sharing. really it's like sharing internet card keys "sick" :)

WebWizard

04-30-2009, 05:06 PM

henning

04-30-2009, 05:50 PM

Weren't members using their computers for iks just before N2 was cracked? I could swear that someone posted that a few weeks ago.

atarn

04-30-2009, 08:24 PM

When Gigster posts, I will sit up and take notice. Even so I still enjoy a good rumor.

ddog

04-30-2009, 08:55 PM

wow peetee07 you missed the point dave did have a iks unit but here is how it work you had a 386 or a 486 computer hooked to your wafer card, on the hard drive it had a programe to miss direct the hits hat dave sent, the second stage of the start ok the iks this system was not on the internet but it updated by a 3.5" floppey, it you wanted and had the program emailed to ya youcould of done it from you internet conection

makmik

04-30-2009, 09:59 PM

Here is the common explanation on the web about IKS:

C/P from nfusion forum..
There is lot of rumors going on if IKS is secured. Well in short it is - and then it is not. Just to give you a few points on security with IKS:

1) IKS runs on a centralized server that is a share point to servers which relay on this server. Your box is connecting too relays not the IKS Server.

2) IKS servers require UDP connection, not TCP. You can think of UDP as more secure, but the real difference is that UDP packets travel one way (request is sent from the receiver and then fullfilled by the server but there is no guarantee on data delivery of the packet from the server, meaning that the server drops the link with requestor as soon as it gets it - it may deliver it later on however). The relay - is really a relay in UDP sense - (requests can be made to one server but another server may fullfill it). Since there is no constant connection being open it is almost impossible to catch the very small (tidy) request and data travel from boxes to IKS.

3) IKS Servers accept only connections that have a receiver ID attached to the data package. No request from PC or other device can be made - this really gives much trouble in identifying what the content is of the IKS package or intercepting it. I am not sure if the package itself is being encrypted somehow - but it will be easy to do if it isn't. With encrypted packages, even if someone intercepts it - that interception would become useless.

4) In order for the providers to hunt you down they will need to know what servers that nFusion boxes are connecting too. To find out, they will have to intercept the traffic from the centralized server which is located off-shore (but hard to do explained before). I could not locate the servers by looking at the routers access logs - I can only find the servers it is connecting too --- and surprisingly I saw many different connections (rotating relays) --- which gives me positive vibes about IKS.

5) All the providers can do is see that your connection is making some request for data that is being transfered from a server and has been identified as suspicious - but before they can even take any action upon it - the new server can be re-set and there you go, another round of finding it again will be needed. This is time consuming and very very tidious and an expensive task (not that the providers cant afford it). Even if the provider proves that the traffic from your internet connection is suspicious - they can not prove that it came from your requests and your receiver (they cant trace back anything beyond your router/modem).

6) "Dave" did go to after the small people on the first occasion of IKS (more then 10 years ago -- ohhh yes do not be surprised IKS is nothing new --- it has been used back in Dave days when a computer was needed that will serve already descrambled packages to the receiver using waffer boards or card emulators) - but "Dave" had to physically prove that this was happening from people trying this (hardware needed to make this function) - unlike today (no additional hardware is needed - so hard to tell if you are really doing anything wrong).

The final decision is always up to you to make. I do not want to sound encouraging or disappointing - use your own judgment - do lots of reading

************************************************** ************************************************** *********************************
C&P

IKS doesn't mean you won't go down, it just means that you can come back up much faster.

If your hooked up to the net with your nfusion and you come home and turn your box on it will tell you if there is any new updates and gives you the option to update your box with the click of the remote button.

If your watching TV on stand alone (emu ON) and it goes down you simply click menu + user settings + emu off and IKS will kick in when you exit to TV.

99.9% of the time its IKS all the way.

I don't worry about anyone getting my IP address from the nfusion iks server as it does not collect anything other than an error log saying what failed.

Most have not noticed that IKS and Files are on 2 different servers and are ported to 1 that you are connected to.
That should be enough for people to guess there is more than 1 server at work here. I think last count there were 5 ported thru a chain across the web to 1 point of access. That point of access can be changed with a click of a button. So what if someone gets the main click boom somewhere else we go.

Anyone that wants to can easily run a proxy on your system and your bouncing around the world anyways.

Now to the whole sending keys things. The iks does not at anytime send keys to your box.(Its illegal) It does how ever send data to your box so your box knows what to do to get itself going. Kind of like A.I coding. No not any of the pyro team will explain that part for a good reason. Why give up a trade secret. I hope this helps some of you out with what your wanting to know.

************************************************** ************************************************** ******************************
Here is some more information, what others are saying.

saw this on another site, this is a copy and paste.

Okay here is the physical network setup:

Nfusion ---> Dell 466cx ---> ClarkConnect Router --> Internet

First:

Nfusion correctly connects to the internet and retrieves data files and IKS when only ICS (Internet connection sharing on the WinXP dell) is running on the above setup.

On the dell I ran wireshark (formerly ethereal) to monitor network traffic from the nfusion. It seems that the nfusion communicates with IP 222.122.160.39 on ports 62487, 62489. That server IP address is located in South Korea (Asian Pacific Network Info Centre) and is owned by KORNET, or Korea Telecom. I monitored the traffic for about 24 hours this never changed. The ports were always the same, and more importantly the server IP address remained the same.

I had read in some forums that the nFusion uses a "scattered proxy" I know a little about networking, and how to use google and I still can't find out just exactly what a "scattering proxy" is. I had also read that the Nfusion bounces off of 3 different servers. But over a 24 hour period the server IP never changed.

Second:

This is where it gets interesting . . .

There is a way to make your internet traffic anonymous. It is called the TOR network. However, most implementations that I have seen where plugins for web browsers (firefox plugins mainly). Nothing that would mask ALL traffic. Until I saw this, JanusVM. JanusVM runs a virtual PC under windows, that runs a linux machine with TOR and privoxy preconfigured to re-route all traffic on that machine through the TOR network.

Using ICS and JanusVM on the same Dell machine, I was able to web surf anonymously (tested out at TORs website), and bittorrent worked (although very slow).

On the same Dell machine running ICS that the nfusion box worked perfectly before, if I turned on the JanusVM and rerouted traffic to the TOR network, the nfusion box would not work, no updates, no IKS, no nothing. Turn JanusVM off and then it works like a champ. I disabled windows firewall on the host machine, made sure the 62487, 62489 ports where open in Clarkconnect. Even went as far as to open the entire range 62000-63000.

Recap:

So to recap, all things the same, routing nfusion traffic through my router and to the internet was no problem, but as soon as I masked my source IP using TOR and privoxy (which works for web surfing and bittorents) the nfusion box refused to work.

Details:

I just want to point out that KORNET is in SOUTH KOREA (friendly to the USA) and that they are a commercial satellite TV provider for South Korea, having recently launched their own satellite. If the nfusion server is located on THEIR network, how sympathetic to Dish network (a fellow satellite provider) would they be when asked to turn over that nfusion server. Or worse, just monitor incoming connections to that IP so that they can record IP addresses without even getting the nfusion server. The legal precedence to sue customers and end users was set with all this RIAA suing MP3 downloader's using their unique IP address as provided by their internet provider.

So there you have it, I think the nfusion works TOO GOOD, and in fact offers an opportunity for DISH to copy the RIAA and start suing end users.

armenia

05-01-2009, 11:08 AM

Great post.

jayhoo

05-01-2009, 12:08 PM

well guys if it is a scam then near as I can tell all the authorized SV dealers are running the same one... guessing we will know in a few weeks whether it exists or not and just what its purpose is.

as for being photoshopped well that could be possible, but then again maybe just made in same factory, like ariza extreme and homesat, or, all the diseqcs foating around with a company brand on it. The case design really does not mean anything

i only seen 1 authorized dealer advertising this thing..is there more??i seen 1 other place but site looked really cheaply done and links led me to corrupt pages so no good.
im with u on this one,case design dont mean sh!+.could be made by same co.
like i say b4,...sv...why not go with a hub.....big money in the iks/cardshare biz right now,probibly better than ever! and may be a while before they see any $$ comming in from a standalone n3 bin....or mabey thier just geting greedy....or bored,lol,mastered thier standalone bins try something new!!

Chuck Farlie

05-01-2009, 12:58 PM

Maybe it's not what you think. Sonicview has excellent attorneys and if you think for a minute that a company as large as SV would even THINK of becoming involved with IKS, I'd be shocked.

Especially after reading the judgment handed down recently in this thread: http://www.ftabins.net/showthread.php?t=91115

Read the complaint and they specifically mention IKS.

Doubt it seriously that SV is gonna use the rumored dongle for that purpose.

That is why this is in the rumor thread in the first place. Until this device materializes it is what I like to call "VaporWare"

Cheers

WebWizard

05-01-2009, 05:48 PM

well I am assuming it is for IKS because it would really have no other purpose that would make it marketable at that price.... what I am really curious about is how many people intend to jump on that bandwagon if it does become available.

Presently, have IKS type boxes here, different brands and models and none of them are running on IKS ... no need for it as 3 of them are up just fine on emu

gustav

05-02-2009, 12:06 AM

it just for selling more sonicview

It will be available on May 9 or 12.........
But you can pre order the sonicview hub.

Works with the Sinicview 360 Elite/Premier and 8000HD....for Now................more good news...soon....

I Know your not going to believe.......so I'm going to live a small proof.....

Enjoy

snoocker

05-02-2009, 02:34 AM

It will be available on May 9 or 12.........
But you can pre order the sonicview hub.

Works with the Sinicview 360 Elite/Premier and 8000HD....for Now................more good news...soon....

I Know your not going to believe.......so I'm going to live a small proof.....

Enjoy

Thats no proof of the existence of the the unit. It's only a proof of you attempting to pre-order it. When you can show some screen pics of the menus and settings, only than you can call it "Proof":lol:

From what I hear, we will not see this unit on the market in the near future.

karampot

05-02-2009, 02:40 AM

snoocker

05-02-2009, 02:43 AM

Yep, you can say anything when it's not showing yet.

But wait until you saw it, not sure if you want to edit your post! :)

No reason to edit it at all, karampot. Thanks for your valuable input. :thmbdn:

gustav

05-02-2009, 02:53 AM

Thats no proof of the existence of the the unit. It's only a proof of you attempting to pre-order it. When you can show some screen pics of the menus and settings, only than you can call it "Proof":lol:

From what I hear, we will not see this unit on the market in the near future.

jajjajajjajajajjaj:

So you think that this giants: Sonicview, Captive works, Viewsat etc......
Just going to sit down, and let i-link be the only one with a Dongle..............

No my friend.........CW, Viewsat they working on a Dongle to...you need more news.....

coming soon..................

snoocker

05-02-2009, 03:00 AM

I think somewhere around 3-6 months we will be seeing "adjustments" by the Big Names like Viewsat, SV, CNX, etc. Once there is a demand, there will be a supplier, that's how the market works. I am sure of one thing, competition between the big names benefits FTA world by constantly evolving in its capabilities.

We shall enjoy what we have now, and worry about what tomorrow brings tomorrow..jmo

dslchome

05-02-2009, 05:21 AM

jajjajajjajajajjaj:

So you think that this giants: Sonicview, Captive works, Viewsat etc......
Just going to sit down, and let i-link be the only one with a Dongle..............

No my friend.........CW, Viewsat they working on a Dongle to...you need more news.....

coming soon..................

I was told that Captive Works tried to use IKS and were unable to get it working.

So I wouldnt expect a dongle from CW.

also Sonicview has been so perfect for months on DN you would think or HOPE they have taken this time to work on N3...

I mean SV has been on the last bin for 3 or 4 months???

do0d

05-02-2009, 07:02 AM

jajjajajjajajajjaj:

No my friend.........CW, Viewsat they working on a Dongle to...you need more news.....

coming soon..................

what?! Where have you ever seen reliable viewsat news other than they will never go IKS?

gustav

05-02-2009, 11:15 AM

The use of adaptor's Dongle IKS ......is just a temporary solution.....This is a fact......

Till some one found a new way to update the receivers with out the Internet.....

rayrayoc

05-02-2009, 08:26 PM

How much will the Hub cost?

Ray

WebWizard

05-02-2009, 08:43 PM

I have seen it for both $119 & $139, not sure if that is Cdn or US funds or one of each though

gustav

05-02-2009, 08:48 PM

How much will the Hub cost?

Ray

This much.............................................. ........................................

Enjoy................................

sam_ca

05-02-2009, 10:58 PM

do we just need a dongle to connect to back of sonicview 360 or do we also need to install some chip inside the box also.

WebWizard

05-02-2009, 11:15 PM

hmmm no one knows what is involved... sonicviw denies they have it but all their dealers are ready to sell it in 2 weeks so maybe you can figure it out.... I give up LOL

sam_ca

05-02-2009, 11:29 PM

then i think all delers want to sell as many sonicview as they can before they get more new brand receivers.

makmik

05-03-2009, 12:51 AM

Here is sonicviews list of authorized dealers, each dealer has a link to their web site to easily check out any new products:

http://www.sonicviewusa.com/usadealer.html

jayhoo

05-10-2009, 04:19 AM

mabey this should bein the scams section.......... a mod/admin just deleted a new thread started on this subject.....not sure as to why,but if im dooing something wrong,......im sureill know soon enuff and this post will be gone....sorry in adv,but ppl should know this is probibly a scam!
c/p
Seems like another bunch of spam emails went out early this morning from a site known as hxxp://sonicviewihub

This site claims that it is an authorized dealer selling this product, sonicview receivers and 8psk A-1 boards. They have an authorized dealer logo but this may be misleading.

Anyone can put an authorized dealer logo on their site but this does not make them legit. The location of both the website and the origination of the email initiate my scam alarm. The email originated from germany and the website is registered and hosted in Spain.

There is no confirmation by sonicviewusa at this time nor are there currently any support for these devices via software release.

Please do not purchase anything from this site until anything is confirmed or denied by a mod here at ftabins

brianhead

05-10-2009, 08:10 AM

I got that email as well. Too bad I only have a SV-4000. Wait, not too bad. It is still working!

Handshake

05-10-2009, 08:58 AM

this is just a khub with sonicview wirtten on it... still awaiting this "sonicview solution" they have been talking about since late November

first ti was a new reciever, then "IKS-Killer", now this iHub hopefully this is real

Handshake

05-10-2009, 09:01 AM

also with the website u posted it is infact a authorized sonicview dealer...

click on their dealer and it goes to sonicviews website and confirms the webaddress

i think this might actually be real... but who knows

doggy10

05-10-2009, 09:59 AM

19951

this is the pic i found of the ihub. not sure if its true or not. its from the site that emailed me. wasn't sure if it was posted yet or not.

also seems sonicview is getting into the switch game with their Axing switches.

Handshake

05-10-2009, 10:40 AM

here is some very interesting info

look here hxxp://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/sonicviewihub.com

the owner of the website just made it feb 5 and i have a feeling it is not a sonicview authorized company because they are not listed under sonicview's dealer section

ALSO i recieved an email a while back from this modemhackers person.... now there is something in here about sonicview ihub... seems like a BIG scam

and someone around here has been giving members email addresses since this is the ONLY fta site i am signed up on and got the modemhacker email like everyone else did here

I find this very strange and would say back away as far as you can!!

dslchome

05-10-2009, 11:32 AM

sorry click on their link that says SV dealer its legit.

http://i44.tinypic.com/xbdaa8.jpg

and so what if they opened up 5 or 6 days ago....

the hub just came out and they are starting up.. why give them a bad name already.

01100101

05-10-2009, 12:09 PM

jayhoo

05-10-2009, 12:27 PM

i still think its bs.like i said before...ANYONE can put that logo and link on a page....ill beleive it when i can get to thier site thru sonicviewusa.com list of authorized dealers.....which i cant seem to find them....wtf???

01100101

05-10-2009, 12:29 PM

Look at the url on sonicviewusa site after clicking it through ihub site, you will see that they are on svusa site.

Maybe not in the complete list yet, but they are there.

Handshake

05-10-2009, 12:31 PM

lol doesn't mean anything if they are an authorized reseller

when we see a IHub someone has ordered then we can confirm its real

01100101

05-10-2009, 12:35 PM

I am just a little pissed that my thread was removed and remade by a VIP member, its all good though, shows what kind of mod work that's being done around here. Apparently they like to give credit to VIP members and not just normal members.

If my thread isin't given back, ohh boy.

Hnadshake, wasn't it you who was calling it bs in my previous thread that was so conveniently removed yesterday?

jayhoo

05-10-2009, 12:45 PM

Wow, funny I initially stated that this would be released in 3 days and my thread was removed, and thanks for flaming me btw people. Told you I had an inside source. Kinda messed up that the mods would remove my thread and let a VIP repost it, but hey, who am I. I also sent a pm to rchammer same day as I posted so you know I leaked it first before it was even know on the net, so whats up now people? No one likes to warrant merit where its due I guess.

Maybe a mod/admin can explain what the problem was with my post being in the rumor section... And now no one says anything about my post from days ago.. like wtf...
first off i dont think ne mods/admins needs to explain anything......your thread had to be removed for a good reason....not sure why...mabey it wasnt somthing u said but another poster wrote????mabey cuz your sig.makes you look like a salesman and your promoting ur biz on thier site???.but really....no one cares where it came from first.last night,another similar thread was started and by the 6/7th post the thread got deleted....then i re posted my part....and it stuck.....threads get deleted all the time and similiar ones are started....i dunno man
i really do think its bs but thanx for the info neway 01100101;495412....

Handshake

05-10-2009, 12:45 PM

wow u seriously need to watch what you say about the mods here they do a good job

the reason yours was removed is because:

a.) yours had no proof
b.) this thread has been going on for a VERY long time
c.) yours was very favored in one way saying everyone is wrong

also if the mod does something with a thread its for a good reason

"If my thread isin't given back, ohh boy." what is that some sort of a threat?

tone3772

05-10-2009, 12:47 PM

Why doesn't someone connected to this site just buy it and let us all know if it's BS or not....if it doesn't work assess vip's and supporters a small fee to relieve them of the cost....

01100101

05-10-2009, 12:48 PM

Which is why it was moved to the rumors section, and then removed.... And now here it is, reposted by a VIP member, still regardless of what I said, merit was due to me. And now 3 days later like I said, everyone is now talking about it... If this is the game the mods wanna play, I will just post info to other sites from now on, so the VIP members from here can go to another site where the info will be first. I really don't care, its just the principle of the whole thing.

freddydog1

05-10-2009, 12:49 PM

Handshake

05-10-2009, 12:50 PM

yas talking about it being a fake lol

it isn't really it was made by 1 person who is spamming emails to everyone

and who cares about credit only thing that matters is that the stuff goes around and this thread was started LONG ago

jayhoo

05-10-2009, 01:10 PM

another good threads gonna be closed beacuse ppl are getting mad.......pls get back on topic and deal with your personall issues personally.....useless posts are taking up space!!
just so im not doing the same....
PPL DONOT BUY THIS CRAP TILL ITS VERIFIED!once again,sonicview would never send out mass spam emails to thier valued coustomers.....thats just horse sh!t buisness and they wouldnt do that!
and01100101 if u got the inside scoop on this thing then get one....hook it up,take some pics and post them....then i might start beleiving this!!!

kenmoresp

05-10-2009, 01:34 PM

tone3772

05-10-2009, 01:40 PM

Yeah, well I called it....got a message about ordering and the regular jazz......strange thing is, there was no mention of the name of the business......the message said they did offer the best name brand receivers at the best price......don't recall a mention of the sonicview dongle......and I for sure don't think I would be sending them any of my money

Good to know......put it to rest please........:worship:

jayhoo

05-10-2009, 01:45 PM

Yeah, well I called it....got a message about ordering and the regular jazz......strange thing is, there was no mention of the name of the business......the message said they did offer the best name brand receivers at the best price......don't recall a mention of the sonicview dongle......and I for sure don't think I would be sending them any of my money

thx kenmo!i tried calling but, could not be reached from my calling area???
funny they say best receivers at best prices when theres not one receiver on thier site,lol,and this ones not even trying to state its an authorized dealer

Handshake

05-10-2009, 02:27 PM

thanks alot ken i knew this was BS once again if it seems to good to be true most likely it is

rchammer

05-10-2009, 04:17 PM

01100101, The first post in SV section was deleted cause , well you know reason behind that one (reason is the content of post was an infraction too, as you know). Then the second one was a good post but it didn't belong in in SV forum, until confirmed. At least until things are no longer considered a rumor or vis versa. And if vice versa, then being here in rumor section, is the correct section. So it was moved here. But it was recently posted here already and that was then realized also, and yours had to go. Your opening post on that thread should have been posted here, on this thread.

We and most likely you too, actually first saw this "rumor" approx. 6 or 8 months ago. That was the IKS-Killer version.

On an added note,
01100101 did pm me with a heads-up that this iHub was about to appear (again) in the fta forums. And he was right.
But 01100101, for you to not understand why your posts/thread had to go is only your mis-understanding.

Now, I should have PM'd you this comment 01100101, but I thought your concern should get a public answer.

I won't comment on the other concern:mad:

Handshake

05-10-2009, 05:06 PM

We and most likely you too, actually first saw this "rumor" approx. 6 or 8 months ago. That was the IKS-Killer version.

correct the IKS-Killer was posted so long ago time has zipped by lol

01100101

05-10-2009, 05:29 PM

Thank You rc for letting me know, like I am not trying to scrutinize how things are done around here but it would be good to know why threads get moved/removed, a little notice could save alot of confusion. I do apologize for posting it in an inappropriate section. There is more info behind the whole iHub but I am not going to share it for obvious reasons (people thinking I would likely be full of it) as my previous iHub thread showed.

Thanks again rc for being level with me on this whole thing. I appreciate it.

dslchome

05-11-2009, 02:05 AM

THIS i HUB IS FROM SPAIN.... THE SITE... Hmmm very interesting isn't that the country they say the hack is???

Domain Name................ sonicviewihub.com
Creation Date............ 02/05/2009
Expiry Date.............. 02/05/2010
Last Update Date......... 04/05/2009
Organization Contact Id.... PROP-41118-1351260
Organization Name........ LORENZO ROGELIO
Organization Org.........
Organization Street...... EDUARDO TERAN 8
Organization City........ MADRID
Organization State....... Spain
Organization PC.......... 28022
Organization Country..... ES
Organization Phone....... +34.
Organization Fax.........
Organization e-mail......
Administrative Contact Id.. 41118-1354047
Administrative Name...... Isa?as Bego?a
Administrative Org.......
Administrative Street.... EDUARDO TERAN 12
Administrative City...... MADRID
Administrative State..... Spain
Administrative PC........ 28022
Administrative Country... ES
Administrative Phone..... +34.
Administrative Fax.......
Administrative e-mail....
Technical Contact Id....... 1052-00090330
Technical Name........... Departamento t?cnico
Technical Org............ Interdomain S.A
Technical Street......... C/Doctor Esquerdo, 61 Plta. 4
Technical City........... Madrid
Technical State.......... Madrid
Technical PC............. 28007
Technical Country........ ES
Technical Phone.......... +34.915848780
Technical Fax............ +34.914095650
Technical e-mail.........

Domain servers in listed order:

Name Server............. ns.liquidweb.com
Name Server............. ns1.liquidweb.com

dslchome

05-11-2009, 02:21 AM

correct the IKS-Killer was posted so long ago time has zipped by lol

Domain Name................ sonicviewihub.com
Creation Date............ 02/05/2009
Expiry Date.............. 02/05/2010
Last Update Date......... 04/05/2009
Organization Contact Id.... PROP-41118-1351260
Organization Name........ LORENZO ROGELIO
Organization Org.........
Organization Street...... EDUARDO TERAN 8
Organization City........ MADRID
Organization State....... Spain
Organization PC.......... 28022
Organization Country..... ES
Organization Phone....... +34.
Organization Fax.........
Organization e-mail......
Administrative Contact Id.. 41118-1354047
Administrative Name...... Isa?as Bego?a
Administrative Org.......
Administrative Street.... EDUARDO TERAN 12
Administrative City...... MADRID
Administrative State..... Spain
Administrative PC........ 28022
Administrative Country... ES
Administrative Phone..... +34.
Administrative Fax.......
Administrative e-mail....
Technical Contact Id....... 1052-00090330
Technical Name........... Departamento t?cnico
Technical Org............ Interdomain S.A
Technical Street......... C/Doctor Esquerdo, 61 Plta. 4
Technical City........... Madrid
Technical State.......... Madrid
Technical PC............. 28007
Technical Country........ ES
Technical Phone.......... +34.915848780
Technical Fax............ +34.914095650
Technical e-mail.........

Domain servers in listed order:

Name Server............. ns.liquidweb.com
Name Server............. ns1.liquidweb.com

neutron

05-11-2009, 02:56 AM

it seems someone needs to go back to read how to get info from sites

the servers of that site is here

City: Lansing
StateProv: MI
PostalCode: 48917
Country: US

i wont post the other info i have about it

it is registered in spain like any other site can be registered were you please
both servers are in the usa

im more inclined to think the hub is boggus but untill someone gets one and says it works or it dont work we wont know for sure

01100101

05-11-2009, 07:46 AM

I think I know exactly who this is. He also owns 3 other domains.

I need to speak with a mod/admin on aim/yahoo like asap. Not PM on here.

llynch7

05-11-2009, 09:32 AM

well a mod at the sonicview homesite just confirmed that this is true....

papacito1962

05-11-2009, 12:44 PM

is it here yet ?

this is almost like christmas.......... so excited ! :sleep:

i am so excited i could scream......eek :coffee:

papa :smoke:

k0hr

05-11-2009, 01:03 PM

well a mod at the sonicview homesite just confirmed that this is true....

If you read that whole thread...

One confirms it, then other's say it's a scam.

The site's DB was compromised, and every forum member was spammed by this scam. Supposedly this is a scam setup by the same people who put up the 'magicboard' scam. If anyone recalls many months back you could also pre-order a 'magicboard.'

Despite it saying their an 'authorized dealer' I would refrain from making a purchase from that site for now.

llynch7

05-11-2009, 01:37 PM

If you read that whole thread...

One confirms it, then other's say it's a scam.

The site's DB was compromised, and every forum member was spammed by this scam. Supposedly this is a scam setup by the same people who put up the 'magicboard' scam. If anyone recalls many months back you could also pre-order a 'magicboard.'

Despite it saying their an 'authorized dealer' I would refrain from making a purchase from that site for now.if you read the whole thread its says that the emails that were sent out by that supposedly authorized dealer is a scam but the hub itself is real and will be sold for $99.00...

Bradman

05-11-2009, 02:26 PM

its here got an e mail

bolton

05-11-2009, 02:45 PM

i will not buy a ihub or a doogle until sonicview officially releases one. i have seen the ones from there sites but i have not heard anything from sonicview telling us that is the way they are going.

laman

05-11-2009, 03:18 PM

Remember people you are in a rumor section. Until you are 100% on this sonicview hub and what it will do I would take a sit back and wait attitude...

Bradman

05-11-2009, 09:00 PM

its not a romour any more its on thier web site for 99.00

franky932

05-11-2009, 09:04 PM

its not a romour any more its on thier web site for 99.00

anyway it must have a new bin/fix/server to work for the internet......

t3chw00di

05-11-2009, 09:11 PM

its not a romour any more its on thier web site for 99.00

I see no mention of it in the sonicviewusa.com site and that's the one that matters.

Tealhawke

05-11-2009, 10:39 PM

It would be nice if someone had some real information. There's two weeks left and no one says one word for anyone to go on, even guess at.

llynch7

05-11-2009, 10:53 PM

there is a thread at the sonicview home site where the mods are confirming the legitimacy of the product.....

amcor710

05-11-2009, 10:58 PM

there is a thread at the sonicview home site where the mods are confirming the legitimacy of the product.....

received couple of mails advertising sonicview with iks ability taking a run at nfusion...

01100101

05-11-2009, 11:29 PM

I am not even gonna say anything, but I know what the deal is.

:)

rufa33

05-11-2009, 11:49 PM

Can sonicviewusa.com site legally advertise for that? In my opinion it will be sold as hush hush device as it's core existence made for IKS not like Nfusion device built in Ethernet connection.

In other hands if it's sold as add on for firmware and content update as TV guide, weather, news etc. then it's legal in purpose of using, still the price is higher than it should. I would prefer $50 for the Sonicview owners.

WebWizard

05-11-2009, 11:55 PM

I am not even gonna say anything, but I know what the deal is.

:)

Ya know just because your thread was deleted and why it was deleted as explained to you by RC if you really have nothing to add other than smart assed remarks they be better off being left unsaid ... basically you do nothing to add to your reputation making yourself look like a fool

Chuck Farlie

05-11-2009, 11:56 PM

It'll be a media server and weather/news/rss feed server. Maybe with third party software IKS too.

My 2 cents to this silly rumor.

jayhoo

05-12-2009, 12:11 AM

I am not even gonna say anything, but I know what the deal is.

:)

thats a weird post. you know the deal....but not saying anything......if your info was so worth keeping to urself...then wouldnt you not be saying anything at all.???,,,kinda like asking for other ppl or hackers,etc, to want to pry into your bizness,perhaps findout who u are,what u know,via the internet...sounds like a heat score...cant be that great........why would you say that man!im in such suspence!!whats the deal!!lmao.....no but really..... im not....ill just wait an see rather than.......whatever!!!

blugill

05-12-2009, 12:17 AM

Think I'll just sit back and see what happens in the next few weeks

laman

05-12-2009, 12:21 AM

I think this is still to premature to jump on this.. Take your time so you can make a good decision...

blugill

05-12-2009, 12:30 AM

Ataboy Iaman, good thinkin, sit back and let the cards be delt.

extremetester04

05-12-2009, 12:55 AM

i hope everyone is seeing the light on the other side of the tunnel on what is going on here. prime example with sv , iks might be the future of fta in the upcomin months.
N3 is not going to be easy to decrypt in any means like N1 - N2 was. millions and millions was spent on this security update and receiver swap's ,
i might be wrong , and i hope i him .
i just dont think d.n - b3v - nagra is that stupid to pay all of this money out to have it crack in few months .
lets hope for the best!

jayhoo

05-14-2009, 12:21 PM

So all the hype turned out to be true. Sonicview is and has released this unit. The unit is still not listed on the official sonicview site sonicviewusa.com but has been confirmed by 3rd party support sites. This unit currently has no support for IKS and does work as specified on the alleged official site. sonicviewdongle.com
all this acording to HYPERCURE at the RLS, here is a post from HYPERCURE from 05-12-2009, 06:08 PM

CP

There are still plans and development and testing being done with the Majic Board when it is 100% ready it will be released , The ihub/ dongle solution was the best option at this time so it was released .........
hmmmmmm....now we wait for the"i told u so's,lol,etc"
and ofcourse i PERSONALLY cannot back this up but i do beleive it and thats a lot!!makes a big differance where u get info from....some ppl u trust it is true....some u dont...and i dontcare what u take this for....just wat i think,lol.
have a gooder!

Grandpooba

05-14-2009, 03:45 PM

I have just spoken to a SV distributor and it is Confirmed, The Ihub is avaiable from them. 1Ea. $99.00, 2Ea $75.00Ea, 5 to 20Ea, $70.00Ea.

kenmoresp

05-14-2009, 03:51 PM

Which models with support these IHubs?

Grandpooba

05-14-2009, 03:53 PM

the 360 series, the 8000

C/P
The Sonicview iHub is the most advanced serial-to-ethernet converter. The Sonicview iHub supports media delivery over ethernet via the serial port of your Sonicview 360 Premier, Sonicview 360 Elite, and Sonicview 8000HD.

Media Playback

Video: IPTV (only available on SV 8000HD)

Music: Playback of MP3 files over the network

Pictures: View Pictures over the network

Network

Communication: Supports encrypted communication over ethernet

Firmware Upgrade: monitor sonicviewusa.com for firmware upgrades. Automatically install new found firmware.

Background Image: Change the feel of your receiver by downloading new backgrounds from sonicviewusa.com

kenmoresp

05-14-2009, 03:54 PM

hmmm.....maybe time to make a purchase.....gotta test it.....

k0hr

05-14-2009, 04:05 PM

It's bs they don't work on the SV4000, many still use that receiver.

Wonder if their just saying it doesn't work so your forced to upgrade to a 360?...

KTG35ENVY

05-14-2009, 04:09 PM

hmmm.....maybe time to make a purchase.....gotta test it.....

i think its high time you join the dark side :evil: kenmo, the SV side

whatever this dongle, iHub, magicboard whatever the hell they want to call it this week may be, i aint going near it. kenmo, you test it out and let me know how it performs, just me though:smoke:

gabbey

05-14-2009, 04:10 PM

I here they are on the market already have seen places offering them .

Grandpooba

05-14-2009, 04:11 PM

It's bs they don't work on the SV4000, many still use that receiver.

Wonder if their just saying it doesn't work so your forced to upgrade to a 360?...

Yep!

WebWizard

05-14-2009, 04:16 PM

It's bs they don't work on the SV4000, many still use that receiver.

Wonder if their just saying it doesn't work so your forced to upgrade to a 360?...

hmmm buy one and find out but I am guessing what they say is true, why would they lie and get a bad rep at this point. At same time sv1000/4000 had a good run for the $ and if they are going to start losing support now in place of an IKS solution then understandable. SV has a work around for N3 then that means one of the better brands out there is not going to be dead in the water like a few others I could mention. Last files for 1000/4000 released Jan8/09 and been up ever since over 4 months free tv more than paid for that box alone. Many been running the same boxes for a cpl years. Quite simply if the Ihub will not work with them and you need to upgrade to continue stealing TV well the things have more than paid for themselves already.

ECM

05-14-2009, 04:17 PM

Where is the software that makes this puppy work?:confused:

k0hr

05-14-2009, 04:20 PM

Just googling there's quite a few websites now selling these, their also on ebay.

Wonder when support will come out, and if you'll see support for the 4000, despite their claim of it being 360, and 8000 only. Saying it's for the 360, and 8000 only, boots their sales on new receivers until eventually support comes and you'll know for sure.

kenmoresp

05-14-2009, 05:41 PM

are these things supposed to get Bev too? or just DN?

lowballjoe

05-14-2009, 06:00 PM

are these things supposed to get Bev too? or just DN?

i have looked everywhere for what support will be given no one is saying:|

llynch7

05-14-2009, 06:33 PM

software is due out tomorrow...it says so on the sonicview home site

jake5757

05-14-2009, 06:45 PM

Well now look it happend this is awesome news

igor1

05-14-2009, 06:56 PM

just got my elite rcvr yesterday, hopefully monday the hub will be here for a new round of testing yyyyhhhaaaa!

finny

05-14-2009, 08:03 PM

software is due out tomorrow...it says so on the sonicview home site

What site is that? I do not see it on sonicviewusa.com

Can you tell me the site you saw it on.

thanks

Grandpooba

05-14-2009, 08:22 PM

Our sponcers are not advertising it, however you can look at the SV dealers sites, linked on the Sonicview's site, they have it.

freddydog1

05-14-2009, 08:26 PM

i think ill wait to see how well it works before i buy 1, dont want to be iks only, nice to have a stand alone for backup and vise versa

spd19

05-14-2009, 08:37 PM

hmmm buy one and find out but I am guessing what they say is true, why would they lie and get a bad rep at this point. At same time sv1000/4000 had a good run for the $ and if they are going to start losing support now in place of an IKS solution then understandable. SV has a work around for N3 then that means one of the better brands out there is not going to be dead in the water like a few others I could mention. Last files for 1000/4000 released Jan8/09 and been up ever since over 4 months free tv more than paid for that box alone. Many been running the same boxes for a cpl years. Quite simply if the Ihub will not work with them and you need to upgrade to continue stealing TV well the things have more than paid for themselves already.

i agree webwizard!

lets hope they can do the same good support with this dongle!

lightout

05-14-2009, 08:41 PM

are these things supposed to get Bev too? or just DN?

I read on the SV main forum from mods there that its suppost to open DN,BEV and all N3 encryptions.Its going to be just like 6 months ago with everything open.

KTG35ENVY

05-14-2009, 09:30 PM

are these things supposed to get Bev too? or just DN?

c/p HYPERCURE

It is suppose to open up Dn, Bev, Sky mex, Globalcast, Irideto first then Sky brazil and telefonica in the future

end c/pso lets see what happens

Handshake

05-14-2009, 10:00 PM

wonder when the first bin which will support this will be released

kenmoresp

05-14-2009, 10:04 PM

software is due out tomorrow...it says so on the sonicview home site

here is what we have been told

jayhoo

05-15-2009, 12:49 AM

Our sponcers are not advertising it, however you can look at the SV dealers sites, linked on the Sonicview's site, they have it.

correct me if im wrong but isnt www.incrediblefta.com a sponsor??they have it...99us...119can.

MidNightWatcher

05-15-2009, 01:57 AM

correct me if im wrong but isnt www.incrediblefta.com still a sponsor??they have it...99us...119can.

You are correct.

dslchome

05-15-2009, 03:37 AM

Guys... I can't stand this...

I can't give you specifics, so I'll give you some logic, you connect the dots.

1. Sonicview is NOT working on an Internet hub. I can't believe the loose IKS talk that goes on around here, to the point where other FTA veterans are even considering this to be true. My god, nFusion people come across as idiots so often in these posts.

There is a REASON nfusion has a monopoly on IKS: ALL of the other companies (aside from one other rumored) have never gone IKS for a solution. NEVER. And you'll find that almost all the IKS users are not among the veterans of these boards. IKS has never been a solution to anything. As soon as a true fix comes, IKS will go away again. Does that tell you something?

2. Forget everything you've been reading or hearing for rumors. Just consider these points logically:
a) Sonicview and Viewsat make the best boxes, or best selling boxes. Both battle to release fixes first because it helps their reputation and then their sales. In December, we had solid information from Cyphris (posted repeatedly as new rumors here ever since) that SV had made great strides and a fix was in sight, though it was rumored that it may require a new hardware purchase. Meanwhile, Cyphris said the coders were finishing their full EMUs so they could finish up the N3 fix. And it was said it could take time, as this fix would be easier with some boxes than others. And, meanwhile, SV took a big jump ahead of viewsat for about a month, as SV's full emu stayed wide open while VS boxes were needing fixes. That was in January. Since February, neither SV or VS had needed a fix.

b) There was word from SV in December that a new hardware addition might be needed. Since then, we've heard nothing from the coders -- perhaps because the fix requires more hardware (as we were told). Now, with just a couple weeks left of DN before darkness, SV quietly announces two new models (and they already have about six models that sell well, why are two new ones coming?) will be available in a couple of weeks. SV knows what DN is doing and when they are doing it better than we do. The timing cannot be coincidental. No way.

c) Is there anyone that believes that a company with the resources, quality boxes and strong, even dominant reputation of Sonicview would release two new units to buyers, whom they know are buying their products to watch free tv, at at time when the company's boxes would be useless for the buyer because of N3? They do occasionally elease new receivers, but the timing... they're releasing almost to the day that DN will go black. NOT BEFORE, we know why. The two new ones will be right on time.

I've been down, thinking no fix would come. Now I've learned enough to see how it will likely play out. The announcement from Sonicview about the two new receivers was a signal, finally, and a sign to Viewsat that they better be ready with new hardware too.

But God, people, the more you talk about IKS and nfusion the dumber you look. IKS has never won. Given the choice of IKS and FTA bins, when both are available, 90 percent of everyone on all these boards go back to real FTA, no Internet involved.

Any gamblers here wanna bet good money that Sonicview will go IKS? If you want to bet, a) you're on, name the amount of the bet, and b) you still don't get why nfusion is the only company using IKS. What, do you think nFusion is the only one of these companies that could offer IKS to customers? You think they're better at making receivers than SV and VS?

Do you ever wonder why the other box makers didn't go that way? Do we have to keep trying to explain it to you?

You have some very intelligent valid points. However not all here have just jumped into this hobby and went fight for IKS.. I have and other have and still many many FTA units back from Pansat 2300 then 2500a then EV Magnum 3300 VS Extreme VS Ultra Neusat 6000SP Coolsat 5K PCI Dvb S card. Dreambox SV 360 P SV 4000 Captive Worsk 600 Prem with 100R DVR and CW 800 PVR I can go on and on...

Also... You are aware of TheFalcons aka TheBroken aks Allison that was just arrested? He had the N3 fix and was in negiations to sell to Viewsat if I recall the pdf and some other fta manufactures.

Now dont you find this sorta a coincidence that as soon as he was busted SV comes out with this I hub? Also as was stated Incredible FTA is sponsored buy ftabins and ftabins has always had trusted sponsors as far as I'm concerned.

Also if SV did have a N3 fix you do realize this is all about $.. Why release it so fast???
I can see them making this i hub to make some extra $ to help circumvent the price they had to pay for the N3 hack / fix. Even if the i hub doesn't really do FULL IKS but is just for IPTV or backgrounds or perhaps it is some form of IKS to help with the N3 fix.

Its time to think outside the box. However I like your post better than most.

dslchome

05-15-2009, 03:40 AM

dslchome

05-15-2009, 03:40 AM

correct me if im wrong but isnt www.incrediblefta.com a sponsor??they have it...99us...119can.

This was mentioned long ago in this thread and I mentioned this long ago but that is irrelevant we are all correct.

Chuck Farlie

05-15-2009, 10:23 AM

An Internet Hub device does not immediately mean that SV is working on an IKS solution people.
Take it at face value. It's a Media Streaming device with all kinds of OTHER useful purposes.
Do you really believe that SV would put their nuts in a vice by manufacturing and marketing a device to enable IKS? Do you think they are going to sponsor an offshore server to supply IKS?

IKS is not a fix! It's card sharing and the most risky way of watching TV for free. Not for me thanks!

jayhoo

05-15-2009, 11:23 AM

yes most of us do know therewill be a fix but in he meantime ppl are wasting money on nfusions so wtf??if i was sv,id wanna piece of that while its still working.$100 bucks for a peice ofcrap plastic??good biz...
and obviously,the main reason for this hub is iks,it may not work for that yet but do you really think they had much more on thier mind than that when making it??sure itll do other things to keep it legal to sell....
and yes i beleive too that 90% of ftaers use standalone,not,iks....but when all goes black,it'll be 100%iks....thats it if u want dn,bev.......weve only been hearing about n3 for a yr now....think the fix will be here nxt month??<<<been hearing that for 6 months....
mabey sv is over halfway done coding n3 and they realise its gunna take a little while longer to crack n3 than they anticipated ..so..,in the meantime...to keep SOME customers happy,...and from all running out buying nfusions....they come out with a temp fix.....iks....well ok not fix....solution....TEMP...saying...heres another way to steal t.v.till we crack the code....but its alittle riskyer than the way u usually steal tv....lol theft is theft right???i dont care how i get t.v..besides,if anyone was gonna go down bylaw it would be nfusion first....and probiblynot endusers first......look at my location......ya come get me ill be waiting on the 66th paralell!

who knows tho right.....?not me obviosly just thoughts!

Le_Gnome

05-15-2009, 11:58 AM

software is due out tomorrow...it says so on the sonicview home site
More then likely next week, nothing today was ever posted. In post 171 of the dongle/hub thread (at SV site) there was a correction done to one of the posters remarks.

Grandpooba

05-15-2009, 12:01 PM

So far there has been no known fix other than IKS for N3. The fix could come out tomorrow or never. So while waiting why not hedge your bet for $99.00? Could be a big winner or a $99.00 looser.

WebWizard

05-15-2009, 12:11 PM

well I agree with Chuck on his point of view and the risks involved but have to say I think it is for IKS as well, they are not going to sell many at that price for any other reason.

and I agree with Jayhoo saying that it is SV coder attempt at maintaining customer base while they work on a N3 fix. Sell a few more boxes and ring up $1oo bonus for those who just can not wait

Grandpooba

05-15-2009, 12:21 PM

No one can predict, only opinions, however If it works well, it may be a bargain. Now you are "rolling the bones". SV products and software seems to be stable and well written as there has not been a update required since January 09 for DN for the current STB's. Based on that, I have a lot faith in SV's products.

franky932

05-15-2009, 12:26 PM

time will tell

dslchome

05-15-2009, 12:55 PM

time will tell

Thats true ... Only Time Will Tell.

and a good song from the Group Asia in the early 80s'

LOL

tommyd

05-15-2009, 02:49 PM

No hub just selling receivers made with the goodies for 3 days!

freddydog1

05-15-2009, 07:08 PM

has anyone got this working yet?? would be nice to get a first hand reprot

xbx09

05-15-2009, 08:02 PM

If they wanted to sell alot of these babies at the price they're asking, they should have made it compatible with the 4000!

Grandpooba

05-15-2009, 08:10 PM

If they wanted to sell alot of these babies at the price they're asking, they should have made it compatible with the 4000!

I'll bet they will sell a lot more SV 360's with the ihub if it works!

mondoman22

05-15-2009, 08:14 PM

Hey Guys,
I am going to be getting another receiver I have heard alot of good things
about the sonicview especially the dualtuner, I Like that option... Heres hoping
they get the hub working Would be really good to see a dualtuner with Iks
Capabilites...

Tony

dslchome

05-15-2009, 08:19 PM

DenoDawg

05-15-2009, 08:25 PM

Already seen a Sonicview Dongle sell on flebay for 67.00, also there's a Sonicview SV-360 Elite With Dongle for 264.99 or best offer with free shipping.

xbx09

05-15-2009, 08:28 PM

i really want the hd-sv but it just doesn't seem worth all that money for no ppvs and whatnot. it'll be nice to see what the dongle has to offer :) i sure hope my 4000 doesn't just sit in the closet for the rest of it's life.

edzzz66

05-15-2009, 09:03 PM

Already seen a Sonicview Dongle sell on flebay for 67.00, also there's a Sonicview SV-360 Elite With Dongle for 264.99 or best offer with free shipping.

67 ? I am seeing 99 across the board.......

Lucky_SatLover

05-15-2009, 09:22 PM

i stii havent heard anyone crack a 241 card, so until then there will be no fix for no boxes:thmbup:

Chuck Farlie

05-15-2009, 09:27 PM

It's funny, Sonic View will sell a ton of new 360's and these dongles like they are going out of style. They don't need to have iks at all, just the rumor mill that it MAY happen is enough to boost sales. As far as I know NOBODY has stated officially or unofficially that SV will go iks with the new hub. I think that is wishful thinking and it doesn't matter what I think. SV will reap the benefits and add a new TRUE use for the FTA receiver.... watching TV. But the content you watch will be your own as well as satellites and streaming media from the web. Genius marketing team there at SV!

Tealhawke

05-15-2009, 09:38 PM

There's still something fishy about all of this. In this thread, a post claimed that Sonicview is selling this thing, but is not providing IKS support. Then someone says it works with Bev and DN.

I'll eat my hat in the next few days if someone buys one and reports back that it's IKS and there is support, etc. ... But there's too little info, and too much conflicting info, to know what it's all about.

Think of this possibility: All of us who don't like IKS because of its potential for users getting busted should question this one with a greater skepticism. Nfusion hasn't been busted - yet - but servers get shut down daily for allowing the transfer of pirated software. If SV sells you this, you're legal. But then find a third party to give you IKS (probably at a cost), and see how long the server stays up. Or find yourself paying an undercover cop for access to a satellite piracy service.

This is what IKS is about. It's not what FTA is about. It's about free tv, not testing.

Again, SV may prove me wrong, but if you go back to posts several months ago on this board, you will find firm statements, allegedly from SV and the SV coders and passed on to us from some of the top mods on this board, saying that Sonicview was opposed to IKS systems and would never make them because of the danger they present to users. If this dongle is indeed an SV IKS hub, I would tend to think it is what it is, and it needs a third-party supplier for the IKS. SV would be legal in selling it. And unlike the software upgrade bins that we find on boards like this, which we can legitimately claim as upgrades, not pirated software, because we don't know any better (and which would require a house-to-house search to catch FTA users ... doing what?), if you connect your television box to an Internet source that can be busted for piracy, you get busted. There's a direct line there, people. If anything, I think this method, as described, would be a much greater risk to end users. That's why I think there's more to this than a simple SV IKS system.

There is one thought that occurred to me the other day... We have been told, reliably, that in some or most receivers, an additional piece of hardware will be needed to decode N3 because the boxes we have aren't powerful enough. Some of the sites selling this new device clearly state that this is different and better than nfusion. That may be marketing. But has anyone thought this: Maybe SV's dongle ethernet goes to your PC, which runs a program that takes up too much memory for the STB to handle, but can easily runs on a PC... and maybe you would download a bin for the PC program that will decode and send the right keys to the STB as needed, without need of a permanent connection to an IKS server?

Grandpooba

05-15-2009, 09:40 PM

buddd

05-15-2009, 09:42 PM

sonicview is against iks :lol:

and there wont be much talk about it on there board,at least for now,why ya wanna draw the heat to ya,when your about the only major player that dont have a pending lawsuit against ya

i think its smart,stay under the radar,it will work,the i-hub or dongle,and you can bet the farm,sv support will be top notch,they just dont brag like other brands,maybe thats why they r on top... just my 2 cents :thmbup:

Le_Gnome

05-15-2009, 10:11 PM

Results, speak louder then words!

muffin2

05-15-2009, 10:15 PM

Posted by Tealhawke
C/P
Think of this possibility: All of us who don't like IKS because of its potential for users getting busted should question this one with a greater skepticism. Nfusion hasn't been busted - yet - but servers get shut down daily for allowing the transfer of pirated software. If SV sells you this, you're legal. But then find a third party to give you IKS (probably at a cost), and see how long the server stays up. Or find yourself paying an undercover cop for access to a satellite piracy service.

Lets get our facts straight they do not get shut down daily, and their run times are as good as any except may be sv and better than most.

HeyRube

05-15-2009, 10:30 PM

The reason SV has waited for so long, and other FTA box makers are still waiting is...they don't wanna do IKS if there is even a small chance of a non IKS fix in the near future.

Why not? The old way of doing FTA was great for the box makers as far as raking in the dough. Take $29 worth of cheap Chinese components, shove them into a box, and charge Americans $200 for it. When it goes down, throw some coins at some coders for a fix.

Contrast that with buying the hardware for an IKS network. Buying the bandwidth. Running the IKS network 24/7 for...years. Paying people to run and maintain your IKS network. Paying for subscriber cards and all the tiers. I'm sure there are other expenditures I have not thought of.

An IKS network has got to be a big pain in the ass. It also increases the box makers cost per customer, which right now for SV is...close to zip. I'm sure SV wrung their small Korean hands for many an hour before deciding to commit assets to IKS.

All FTA boxes can be made to IKS, as I've said many times. The question remains, why would they write firmware to do so on old models, when they could just sell you a new IKS box. That money you gave them for your old box is...gone. They spent it on drugs, whores, wine, and song.

A dongle for $100 is a pretty good deal. You could not get into Nag1 or Nag2 for $100. An NFusion SD box is...$100 here in LA. I can get refurbished models for...$50. Nag3 is at worst, half the cost of Nag1 or Nag2. The entry fee for Nag3 is very reasonable considering how easy it is to get your cable bill to top $100 in a month's time.

I personally refused to buy a VS for $200 at the inception of Nag2. Why? Couple of reasons, but mainly it was...no goddamn JTAG port. So I spent the first 92 days in the dark. Well, not really. I had the Rom102. But I mean FTA. I waited because I knew there would be a fix eventually. And there was. It might take about that amount of time for a non IKS fix to come out this time. Three months of darkness. Or IKS.

Or plastic. Yes, I said there would be no FTA hack until a plastic hack is realized. I now think...the plastic hack is realized. As of yesterday, by the way. If that is so, non IKS FTA is now on the clock.

We had the Rom101 plastic as a bridge device between the Rom10 and the Rom102. Right? Remember those cards? We were hacking the Rom101 BEFORE the Nag1 stream was turned off. But not the Rom102. That came after.

Right now, I am watching Tv with an S01 card. That card is the bridge device this time. The hack for plastic like the Rom206 is not in the public eye, but...there is rumor, and there is scuttlebutt, and there is some belief by people in the know that someone out there is watching Tv right now with the new plastic.

No plastic hack = no FTA hack. IF that is true, and it is, then if there IS a plastic hack = FTA is not very far behind.

Captive Works didn't drop IKS because they couldn't get it to work. It's working now. It's just that no one wanted it. There was no interest. Coolsat had the first Nag2 fix. It was IKS of the type where you shoved plastic into the card slot of your Coolsat box. That's one small network. Yes, that worked too. No interest. Peeps whined, "We want a real hack," so that is what they got.

All you fearful IKS haters--keep on whining. Whining is what provides the motive force in this hobby. It makes things happen. IF there are enough whiners, there reaches a point in which critical mass in achieved. Peeps begin to see...dollar signs. And that makes the world go round, don't it?

HeyRube

05-15-2009, 11:53 PM

Tealhawke. Why don't you READ, and get yourself an education about IKS. Every post you make about IKS only shows the rest of us how ignorant you are on the subject of IKS.

Why is it that the IKS haters are the same peeps who don't seem to know jack about IKS? Huh? Answer me that.

NFusion, get busted? For what? They are not in violation of any laws. You are confusing a p2p server with an IKS server. An IKS server does not serve up torrents. It does not serve up pirated software or music or video. It serves up...control words. Control words cannot be pirated. Why? Control words cannot be copyrighted. Why? Control words are derived from a scientific process, so they do not qualify for copyright. That has been the law since day one.

The NFusion IKS servers do NOT go down daily. Not even close. How the fook would you know anyway? You don't own an NFusion box. Let those that do own one report on the downtime of the SUNS servers. You'll just be guessing. And guessing wrong if the past is any indication. Spare us.

Listen. Watching FTA violates the DMCA. The DMCA is civil law, not the penal code. So the chances of getting busted by a cop is slim and none. The police cannot meddle in civil law. Civil law concerns two private parties. IN our case, the two parties are, YOU and Charlie. Charlie is not the police, Ok? All Charlie can do is sue you in civil court. If you call that getting busted, you need to...get out more. Watch some cop shows. Get an urban education while you are getting your IKS education.

The cops cannot take over a satellite site, take monies from you, and then bust you. Not in America. That would be entrapment. You must be Canadian. Charlie can do that. Dave actually did do that. But they are not the police and are not governed by the Constitution.

You live a fearful life, Teal. I can tell by your words. However, your fear is coloring your outlook, and skewing your view of IKS. If you would only take the goddamn time to read and understand the DMCA, the Bill of Rights, and every single thing I have personally posted about IKS, you would do yourself a huge favor. And you'd do us all a huge favor cause we wouldn't have to read your fearful, incorrect, scare mongering BS, over and over.

You like to act like you know some big fooking secret about IKS that the rest of us don't know, Teal. That can't be. You know that right? For one, there is nothing you know, that I don't know. For two, if you cannot even get the specifics of IKS correct, then what are the chances you are correct about IKS overall? Zero. That chance is a big fat zero.

I, for one, cannot even figure out why you are doing it. You must know you are wrong by now. And yet you persist. Are you the kind of guy who can't admit when they are wrong? Not even to yourself? Is that why you refuse to read up on IKS, and the other diciplines involved? Or are you just agumentative? Your arguments would hold more water if you were correct on some of the specifics of IKS. At least do that much leg work. Get the specifics right. Get the LAWS right. You do us all a disservice with your scare mongering, wrong, BS. No one is going to get busted by the cops. Not in America.

Listen, the best IKS network is...the one on your desktop. How come you IKS haters never think of that. Can I make the NFusion ask for control words from an app on my desktop? How much you wanna bet I can? WireShark the IKS packets to and from the NFusion. The rest is child's play.

No, if SV sells you this, you are not legal. Nope. See, your conceptual understanding is all wrong. If you watch encrypted content without paying for it, you are in violation of the DMCA. Whether or not SV sold you the box. IKS is moot as far as the legalities involved. FTA is illegal if you watch encrypted content with it in regards to the DMCA. But in no way does it violate the penal code--in any state in this great nation. No one is going to jail. It will take a new law if they want to lock us up. And they don't want to do that. The jails are full enough with real criminals, as it is.

All Charlie can do sue you in civil court. To do so, Charlie has to prove you watched encrypted content without paying for it. That is according to the latest ruling, and the last ruling, of the highest Appeals Court. There are no more appeals. It is the law of the land now. Why don't you track that ruling down...AND READ THE GODDAMN THING. That ruling is how I base everything I say about IKS. I KNOW what they have to prove because the ruling states what they must prove.

Charlie cannot prove I watched his content without paying for it. Not unless...someone who is watching me watch PirateTv snitches me off. Takes a vid of me. Posts it on youtube, maybe. Or...I confess. Or, Charlie comes over and sits his fat, rich ass on my sofa, and he watches me watch his content without paying for it. None of those occurances are likely to happen. I'd say the chances are zero.

Listen! Take an entire day off from scare mongering, and do some reading. Educate yourself so you don't seem so ignorant. The rest of us did. I did. I chased down every single piece of data about IKS until I knew if it was true or not. I did that for my own peace of mind, and so I would NOT be steering peeps wrong about it.

Every single thing I say about IKS, I can prove. Don't that mean anything to you? And every single thing you say about IKS, you CANNOT prove. Shouldn't that mean something to you? I can disprove everything you say about IKS. I have done so in the past. I will continue...until you are...well. I'd hate for you to look like an idiot forever. There ain't nothing wrong with being wrong, dude. It happens to all of us. But there is something wrong with a mofo who can't admit they are wrong in the face of overwhelming evidence. Plus, peeps like that are...a waste of time. A waste of effort. A waste of words.

What you should have done, is do the leg work, then open your pie hole. That's what most of us do. That's why I'm NEVER as wrong as you are about IKS. You are 180 degrees wrong. Exactly, 100% wrong. Those kinds of peeps are always the last to know. Ever notice that? When you finally figure out the IKS question, you will be the last one on this board. Don't you hate it when that happens?

" Tealhawk says: Think of this possibility: All of us who don't like IKS because of its potential for users getting busted should question this one with a greater skepticism. Nfusion hasn't been busted - yet - but servers get shut down daily for allowing the transfer of pirated software. If SV sells you this, you're legal. But then find a third party to give you IKS (probably at a cost), and see how long the server stays up. Or find yourself paying an undercover cop for access to a satellite piracy service."