C/P
More Arrests: FTA Industry Collapsing
Seems like theBroken is ratting out everyone to save his own skin. Now that Viewsat, Coolsat, etc., have been connected to the coder behind the scripts, expect the FTA players to hand over ALL buyer info and expect to get a $20,000 US or more demand letter in the mail, courtesy of Charlie.

Buying a cheap, Korean/Chinese made STB will probably turn out to be the most EXPENSIVE purchase anyone in the US ever made.

Good luck guys, but it looks real bad down in the US. It seems like Dish has the upperhand now. Utlimately, Dish wanted the customer info and was denied by the courts up until now, but now that they got theBroken admitting his connection to all the FTA suppliers, Dish will be getting those customer lists in a hurry!

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For the last few days while Hashhu was on vacation terrible news came to light.

The coder who was making the files for Captain, Coolsat & Viewsat became known to everyone... Phillip Allison of Seminole, Florida... and in the court documents he has admitted making and selling the bin files to Freetech aka Coolsat and Viewtech aka Viewsat.

Echostar needed to prove a connection between the receiver makers and the pirate bin files and they have so its all downhill for Freetech & Viewrech from this point on. They will be making whatever settlement arrangements they can work out and they will be gone. No way to get out when somebody gives you up.

They also have proof this guy was sending the files to completefta.com and f2fta.com with instructions to post them. Anybody that can be tied to this guy is done for because he has given up everyone it looks like.

The current documents don't show any other websites but DISH may be keeping some of their investigations secret and we may find out some more names as time goes on.

The only surprise in the documents was that Allison stated in a communication that they had a software method to make Viewsat receivers work on Nagra's new system - it is not indicated if this was the add-on dongle for iks or the 'card' fix but most likely this guy would have gotten something to work.

So much for 'his' Nagra 3 fix.

UPDATE: Information is now available that a Neosat/K-Box coder has also been arrested - which makes sense as there is a connection to Coolsat and this investigation has been on-going for more than a year - however I haven't been able to confirm if this is true yet.

very interesting post you got here. Where did you get your sources to confirm all of this?

It was a copy/paste... he didn't write it.

Yea Garysimmo;

What sources are you using for info and wen was this info released.
First time I heard anything about this..(Hmmmmmm)
Ya makin' me feel a lil' uneasy with no reference to any sources..

And to answer Chuck..he had to get it from somewhere..

FTA Industry Collapsing.......... naaaah and why would you put this heading ?

FTA - free to air

funny how all this propaganda pops up............:idea:

how about those canucks eh.........lol

change of subject.....:\

papa

We all know that these types of stories originate from the cable and BEV and Charlie. They are always trying to spook the newbies. Ignore these pathetic attempts at intimidation.

TO GARY COME LATELY. WELCOME TO THE PARTY NEW MEMBER AFTER READING YOUR EDITORIAL POST ONE CAN NOT HELP BUT SAYING,HOW MUCH ARE YOU BEING PAID BY ECHOSTAR.:sleep::sleep::sleep:

very interesting post you got here. Where did you get your sources to confirm all of this?

Yea Garysimmo;

What sources are you using for info and wen was this info released.
First time I heard anything about this..(Hmmmmmm)
Ya makin' me feel a lil' uneasy with no reference to any sources..

And to answer Chuck..he had to get it from somewhere..

ya ,its a rummor......if it could be backed up wouldnt it be news???
was gonna post this a fewdays ago..but didnt cuz i didnt have timeto explain its JUST a C/P..its around..on other forums WAYYY before thisone..dunno where it originated from. but regardless we will all think whatever we will think......???lol
i think ya...allison IS a rat...saving his own a$$.........allison>>.broken never coded for vs,may have been somehow afiliated,or was familliar with some vs coders but DEFINATLY not personally know any,nor any locations of where they would be.........yes,the sites in the document ARE shut down.........yes,he was afiliated with captain and CAPTAIN is done......no,VIEWSAT is not done!...........no,coolsat is not done....just really,really bad support.........did allison have a fix for vs,n3???.....probibly NOT

way 2 much$$in the biz to be the end.....someone on the inside will sell the code or someone on the out will hack it!

I have an idea. How about the sat providers giving people a good product at a fair price for a change. Then people wouldnt have a problem subbing.
FTA will never go away because there will always be people who enjoy hobbies like testing.
Coders rock but I will still be fooling around no matter what happens!:)
By the way, this site is the best around and I am happy to call myself a member!:thmbup:

I have an idea. How about the sat providers giving people a good product at a fair price for a change. Then people wouldnt have a problem subbing.
FTA will never go away because there will always be people who enjoy hobbies like testing.
Coders rock but I will still be fooling around no matter what happens!:)
By the way, this site is the best around and I am happy to call myself a member!:thmbup:

i second that ! :worship:

papa

Just like when n1 was coming to a end rumors everywhere....

As for where this post originates from, you might say that it was "hashed" from another forum.

If the coder was busted, who wrote the last bin?

See what I'm saying....:read:

Ahh The Spin Doctors,

This is Really Unsubstanticiated... As far as Getting the Records of people buying
stb's buying the Stb is NOT ILLEGAL>. (DUH!!!!) Buying a Koreon Reciever is going to
be the most expensive Receiver you buy?!?!? heh hahahah Thats Funny... I bought
mine for Free To Air.. Nothing more.. That is what it is.. How the Hell Is echostar going
to get me for buying a FTA Receiver?!!?!? I am Right here Come get me.. Meanwhile when i slap them with a countersuit for defamation of charactor and Harrasment and
how this has effected My Outlook on life and people so I am not going to get over it,
so I need 1,000,000,000,000 dollars to Compensate me for my beliefs in Human Kind
Has been Utterly Shattered Oh my... What am I to do...
On that note all I gotta say is I don't see people going down more like I see some
people taking advantage of Circumstances and are Building Fear Stories Upon those
Circumstances...Anyone Can spin a tale...

Ahh here you go,
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we will give you a Free 3 Month Subscription to the Spice Channel Compliment of Us..
So Come on Enjoy the FTA Revolution!!!! Make all other Donations To JXL Enterprises.
I had to include N3txgen on this because its his Forum... heheh...

Anything said in the Previous Statements Is Completle BULL$HIT!!!! Please Pull your
pants legs Up and get those Waders on!!! It is Getting Deep!!!!! LMAO

Have a good One
Tony

that gary guys a narc what is echo paying him to do
and the providers couldnt do sqaut to the buy ers remember true fta is legal so what r they gonna sew every 1 that bought theese i dont think so and they would have to prove you have third party soft . to acctualy sew you just because you buy a fta box dosent mean your stealing tv if dik sent me a bill for twenty grand id sue them for discrimination because i have bought a box just for true fta before
NOW THERE GO D OUCHES JUST TRYING TO SCAre people thats what that is

As n2 is ending and no fix for n3 is coming rumours are coming on different websites.I think we should ban all those who posted such rumours.

or make a bs form for all the bs threads..........:thmbdn:

papa :clap:

sounds good in theory Mondo but it really does not hold water for a lot of people , if you have a motorized and dish and linear LNB yes they couldn't prove a thing but if you have an FTA receiver and a stationary dish pointed at a provider sat and DSS lnbs then it would be a little harder to explain away.

I only watch the nasa channel when pointed in that direction...

I only watch the nasa channel when pointed in that direction...

me I like the Pirate T.V Channel:P

It's pretty bad @ss:shifty:

:lol:

:v:

one things seems certain....i think dn pay this guy allison to lie in court so they can get thier lawsuite....and eventually go after endusers like dt did....it IS the ONLY way to stop pirated sat and charlie knows it!sure they could sue viewtech,etc,but those bigguys will just claim bankrupcy and dn will have wasted more$$ on court fees...but....say theres a million ppl with fta,pirating sat... if they even can nail 10% of endusers for $5000ea then theres 500 million,and it probibly be enough to scare awy some.......

FTA youths, when will you learn?

Simple rule of thumb: It doesn't matter where you read it, who is saying it, or what it is saying. If someone puts a news headline on a story or posting like "More Arrests: FTA Industry Collapsing," and the "story" or "news" soon turns from asserting statements as fact to backing up the statements with personal opinions ... and then starts throwing a supposed coder's name and never cites any real sources .. and rather than asking an expert and quoting him/her, the writer boldly asserts that some satellite provider has your name and is going to be sending you a bill for $20,000.... and somehow the writer and some reader puts this in the guise of representing facts or even strong possibilities as reality... and then you start to realize that nothing he's said has ever or will ever happen...

You may want to think once or twice about some of this kind of thing before you join the idiot trains that are chewing on our FTA tracks these days...

Now, if you choose to disregard all of those, er, inconsistencies in such blather while you continue, erstwhile in your quest for the truth about N3 ... I have several friends in Africa who desperately need someone JUST LIKE YOU! to take possession of $500,000 million American dollar because these people are sick and need your help, congratulation. Just send them your name, address, ss# ...

Sorry, I was probably harsh just then.

Let me try to explain by giving you the general pattern and translation of these kinds of posts. It always goes something like this:

More arrests; FTA is toast

The police have a coder in custody and he's spilling his guts, giving police enough evidence to start going after end users on piracy charges.

(Translation from DN committee to end the scourge of satellite piracy: We think we may have one of the coders in jail, though who knows how long we can keep him, there's no law to support his arrest. But wait, let's make sure we take advantage and spread this around the boards. It'll last for months, and scare some people to sign up and give us even more money than God than we already have).

Dish Network will be sending huge bills to "illegal" FTA end users and/or police will be arresting them very soon

(Well, the boys in DN accounting came up with a scenario that we can use to get a big scary dollar figure: If we lay all the FTA users end to end, we can begin to imagine that all of the programming they've seen without paying us over these many years could come close to something like possibly an approximation of $10,000 -- no wait, $20,000!!! -- that we can claim these people have stolen from us!!! And the objection from the legal department about the legality of this claim is overruled, because we all know we'd never come close to actually doing any of this, we'll just put it out there and the idiots among the FTA crowd will spread this from board to board for us for months and months)

Dish Network has not arrested FTA end-users like this before, but this time they are serious.

(Yeah, be scared, all FTA pirates, you'll burn in Hell when you die, you're awful people and criminals and this isn't like before, this time we mean business... no, really, we mean it this time... really, honestly... It doesn't matter that smart people among you will say this is all bull, we've spent millions (well, maybe hundreds) on our committee work coming up with things like this because we really mean for you to think it's the real thing this time. You should be in jail, and we've spent millions of ... Anyway, we have the law on our side, the summons to court will follow when the police get involved later, but for now, this is the law, we say so. Look, you owe us. Or, well, we're telling you that you steal from us, you better believe us, OR ELSE. Well, the legal department doesn't agree, but we're serious this time, anyway. Because we need to have more money than Oprah).

So much for an N3 fix.

(See? We left you with doom and gloom, and spoke your own language so you'd believe us. Good little piggies!!!)

:clap:As a newbie/Rookie on this FTA World it really scares me to the latest arrest issue so what i'm thinking is i'd rather buy sonicviewHD w/ ciel 2 sat on all of my rooms it's like taking penny and taking a dollar the verdict is the same i'd rather go HD than SD. hello!

:clap:As a newbie/Rookie on this FTA World it really scares me to the latest arrest issue so what i'm thinking is i'd rather buy sonicviewHD w/ ciel 2 sat on all of my rooms it's like taking penny and taking a dollar the verdict is the same i'd rather go HD than SD. hello!

Touche!:idea:

The sky is falling. The sky is falling, different sky this time. It's disturbing one of the coders goes down. But not really essential to the whole existence of FTA. My Coolsat is still working after 4 years of using but mainly I use that for 97 a real FTA.

DN, Bev, DT are all charging much more than what is really worth for their channels. If their prices were even reasonable, many of us will prefer to use their services rather than looking for a fix, don't mention it's damn free.

When the Internet speed globally get higher we will be in no need for Sat. to receive our favorite channels and shows. So far North America is trailing behind, there are no government involvement or grants to work on higher speed that is available in many countries. When majority reach the 50Mbps it will be more encouraging to get a HD by using IPTV.

Whoever wrote this thread is technically a noob in Sat business, neverless the title is a like a hidden agenda. If you been reading his c/p or personal add on, he did mention another site (hashhu) with very clear purpose, they have major readers. That site got some legal cases already against. They never shut down but they worked around the problem to avoid illegal closing.

Sleep tight fellow FTA users, and wait patiently for a fix.

one things seems certain....i think dn pay this guy allison to lie in court so they can get thier lawsuite....and eventually go after endusers like dt did....it IS the ONLY way to stop pirated sat and charlie knows it!sure they could sue viewtech,etc,but those bigguys will just claim bankrupcy and dn will have wasted more$$ on court fees...but....say theres a million ppl with fta,pirating sat... if they even can nail 10% of endusers for $5000ea then theres 500 million,and it probibly be enough to scare awy some.......

It would cost them 10,000 each to prosecute each person so there is noway they are going to prosecute a million people.

sounds good in theory Mondo but it really does not hold water for a lot of people , if you have a motorized and dish and linear LNB yes they couldn't prove a thing but if you have an FTA receiver and a stationary dish pointed at a provider sat and DSS lnbs then it would be a little harder to explain away.

Sure it Does,
I Like the Pirate Tv Channel I like THe nasa Channel I like the Preview Channel
Why Can't I point a Dish in that Direction?? Who says I can't, Is it again the Law?!?
Last time I checked this is a Free country. If that was the Case, Er um, Who
gives Charlie the Right to beam a Sat Down on my Property!?!?? Its Air waves baby..
It doesn't matter... They would have to prove the Third Party Software was here
and coming in my home would not be a good idea or rather unhealthy for them without
a Damn Good Reason or a Warrant!!! Besides that.. Easier to say Its not Hooked up
I canceled my Sub.. hehehehe!! they never removed the dish from my home.
Yeah let them try.. Bahahahahah!! Funny hehehe. All in all Where I am They would
kinda have to arrest the whole neighborhood besides hehehehe!!! SInce they all have
Mondo Network.. On a Backroad in the Heartland Bahahahah!! Come get me!!!!!
Believe me My water bucket is Full!!!!!!

Have a good one!
Tony

DN is wanting to take individuals to court because of the supposed signal theft, right? Well, I once signed up for their 4 receiver package with all these channels free for three months. Three months passed by and the fourth month I had a huge bill. It is ok for them to trick people into getting all these channels and then not telling them they will start getting charged for them on the fourth month. How much money have they taken from people this way? Just thought I would add this in here. Some one needs to take them to court for this kind of theft.

This comes from the nut ****s selling the Slinger.

mondo for president bud you got my vote

Did some search.. Found an doc about it.. If want more info about.. court docs.. if anyone is interested..

download link:Court docs (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XF1UVT4U)

Sure it Does,
I Like the Pirate Tv Channel I like THe nasa Channel I like the Preview Channel
Why Can't I point a Dish in that Direction?? Who says I can't, Is it again the Law?!?
Last time I checked this is a Free country. If that was the Case, Er um, Who
gives Charlie the Right to beam a Sat Down on my Property!?!?? Its Air waves baby..
It doesn't matter... They would have to prove the Third Party Software was here
and coming in my home would not be a good idea or rather unhealthy for them without
a Damn Good Reason or a Warrant!!! Besides that.. Easier to say Its not Hooked up
I canceled my Sub.. hehehehe!! they never removed the dish from my home.
Yeah let them try.. Bahahahahah!! Funny hehehe. All in all Where I am They would
kinda have to arrest the whole neighborhood besides hehehehe!!! SInce they all have
Mondo Network.. On a Backroad in the Heartland Bahahahah!! Come get me!!!!!
Believe me My water bucket is Full!!!!!!

Have a good one!
Tony

i cant seem to find the mondo network,,,,hehehe

Altho we all hav Free To Air recievers, if they knock on your door and you tell them you only use it for FTA it's not very hard proffing otherwise. Even if you are quick enough to flash back to Factory bin, theres still traces of other parts of bins still embedded in recievers chip. Stick to your story tho, it's your lie you can tell it like you want.

I honestly don't think they'll go that far, and if they do I think I read they would send out letters first, so if you get a letter best get rid of everything ASAP.

Time will tell!

Deno,
Depending upon Where you are in the world.. Where I am heh.. It would be a cold day
in hell.. Besides that Flashing the bin.. Oh hell before they even got to the door and knocked on it Those receivers would be toast.. Also They would have to Have A Warrant
How could they obtain that without Proof?!?!? What proof Circumstatial a Dish pointed
towards a Sat? If i had an account with them and Decided I don't want to get ripped
off anymore and pay their STUPID OUTRAGEOUS FEE'S its not my fault they left their
dish with their lnb.. Hell they advertise when you move leave the dish and pack your receivers Di$hnetwork will come and install a New Dish For The Greedy Charlie Ergan and His Entoruge of Bafoons.. So With what proof do they have to enter a Private Residence
and Look at my recievers!?!??! I am in the Southeast here.. They must have proof I am getting their Programming.... I mean hard proof before a Judge will ever issue a Warrant..
Needless to say Once again COME GET ME!!! Bahahahahah (Evil Laugh) Oh by the way where I am all I need is a No Trespassing Sign and Believe me without a Warrant Its real easy for me to make something bad happen to someone i don't want on my Property!!
Even if it ever came to that Its Kinda Hard To read the Flash From a Receiver that has been smashed to pieces before they got into the door. Because they are Knocking doesn't mean I am going to Let them in before taking care of some minor things hehehe...
Its really easy to scare people who don't know.... I don't like spin Doctors... They are going after the people who are writing the stuff not the end user.. Unless you are up in Canada then its a Different Story with a Different Ending there you have to be careful from what I understand.. But Here Its a bit of a Different Story!!!!

Freddy!! heheheh Mondo Network heheheheYeah I am Like the Old Alltell People Love my circle All my neighbors do and Its Growing by leaps and Bounds heheheheh!!!!

I LOVE THIS GAME!!!!!!! :twisted:

Have a good one!
Tony

sounds good in theory Mondo but it really does not hold water for a lot of people , if you have a motorized and dish and linear LNB yes they couldn't prove a thing but if you have an FTA receiver and a stationary dish pointed at a provider sat and DSS lnbs then it would be a little harder to explain away.

that's not true either because you can have all that but no third party file and what can they do then...fta recievers are very legal it's what installed on them that makes them illegal..

Well mondo, thats them same atitude all those Dave testers had just before they went down. If you think those no trespassing signs will alow you to keep the law away your a little shy of a full deck, like busting up your reciever. lol

Deno,
Its a Hypothetical Situation that i am not going to get into a fight over...
No matter what they have to come through the Front Door by that time the
receivers are toast Plain and simple What 3rd party software Besides that
they are not going to waste all that manpower and money to go after one
user they are going to go after the big dogs,
Besides that This industry has flourished for 10 years and will continue One taken
down 2 others will show up there are no levels of security only levels of Insecurity.
and what is wrong with busting up a reciever!?!?! Thats right no Evidence where is
the Charge ?!?!? In a court of law Oh he had third party can you Prove it where is it..
Oh its in a thousand pieces oh so you don't have it??? Case Dismissed... As far
as trespassing in the States as for the State I am in Its gonna be kinda tough for
them to do all that... Besides that As far as breaking the receiver up i have more then
enough money not to worry about a receiver i can certainly Buy plenty more.... Until
the day they come for me.... I will be right here... Waiting Bahahahha Come get me.. Spend your Charlie Bucks to come and get me.. thats right waste ten grand to prosecute me for me to get a slap on the wrist from a judge and pay a 2500 dollar fine
Bahahahah thats Funny!!!! I am playing with a full deck and In all Respect to everyone
They are going to go after the Big Guys they are not going to get their jollies off of frying
one end user and his little receiver Thats Hilarious!!!! Hmm new here i see?!!?? hmm

Lol
Have a good one
Tony

I Love this Rumor Section its the wild west Bullcrap Flying Everywhere Mounting My Receiver and Yelling Yeeeeee Haaaa!!!

Complete BS... ANYBODY NEW DON"T BELIEVE THE HYPE

All they need from your busted up reveiver is one chip.

Thats all I got to say, you win, almighty mondoman!

Mondo's statement reminds me of a Cheech and Chong skit where Chong gets a knock on the door and Cheech is on the other side saying "Open up, it's the POLICE!" Chong freaks out and proceeds to flush his entire stash down the toilet! Hilarious!

The likelihood of a takedown at your residence is right up there with being struck by lightning and winning the lottery on the same day!

Relax and watch the parade.

I must say that where I live (Mexico) the only way they'll ever see the inside of my house is if they come bearing gifts! I need a least 20lbs of REAL sharp cheddar cheese, some good old deli pastrami and a large deep dish Chicago pizza. I'll let them in long enough for the policia to come and haul them away. Remember what happened to "dog the bounty hunter" down here. We don't care much for outside interference.

Heheheh Chuck,
That brings back memories!! Yeah Stash It Flush IT FLUSH IT!! hehehehe
I will say this if that happens Don't try to flush the receiver!!! hehehehhahahaha
Its kinda big to try fitting that in a toilet!! My Statements are Rediculous Just Like
them busting an end user!!! Ohhhhh the big bad dishman is going to come and get you..
hehehe Thats Hilarious!!! I am still Tickeled by it...

You know, If you play this little game of ours their are risks.. The old Addage
if your gonna play you just might pay.. I just don't like The Spin Doctor Effect..
Thank God this is the Rumor Section. In essence are we doing something wrong
Maybe, Maybe not Depends on the Local Laws.. Can we get caught??? Well
sure that can happen... WIll they prosecute An End User, In the States Kinda
Highly Unlikely But there is a Chance... Nothing is For sure there are no Garranties
with any of this.. But I know the law I know my Rights and I know Damn well if
they can't get hard proof to a judge to order a Search warrant and they come to
my house knock on the door without a search warrant. They will be the ones going
to court For Harrasment... Trespassing.. Not to mention a few other things My Good
Lawyer who I have on retention can come up with...

Of course now we can go all out,

What and Who gave them the right To Beam a Signal to my property Who Gave
them the right to charge for their Signal?!?!? Wait a minute Last time i checked
this is like sex if your gonna Throw your Thing out to the Wind Don't Complain and
cry if you got Aids or Herpes You should have put a Damn Good Condom over it!!!
Well maybe they should put a damn good Encryption Scheme over it!! Its not our
fault their Moron Idiot people that write the Encryption Scheme can't get it right!!!
We can't help it there are people out their who do this for the Hell of it "Actually the
money but i ain't saying that"... Heh.. Who told them to Force their Signal on us??
No one... Maybe they should learn how to secure their Network a Little better!!!
Years Ago Tv Was Free.. Commercials Paid for it.. Why are we?!?!? Why the Hell
are we paying for this Crap?!?!? What for!??!? Screw them... Screw Their Outrageous
costs. If they want to Prosecute, Go for it.. For years i paid Di$h network. When it comes down to it.. I paid them about 11,0000 dollars over the years I had them...
Well when it comes down to it.. LEt them prosecute me let them find me guilty I will
be happy to pay the 2500 dollar fine and be done with it... I still made out and then
I will happily Visit my local Internet Fta Supplier and Buy another Box and hook it up..
cost me 2500 cost them 10000 grand hehehehe!!! They will get sick of it...

Just Ramblings but there is some underlying common sense I think in there Somewhere..
I feel sorry for the Newbies that don't know anything and people that start these rumors
scare them out of the Hobby.... Noobs Take note: Everything Said is Circumstantial.. Unless you see it for yourself Do not Believe a Damn word of it!! Even if you do see it
Question It... Media can be assembled, Don't take Any wooden Nickles!!!

Peace out!

P.S. Thanks Chuck for the Trip down memory lane With Cheech and Chong hehe Now i gotta go download that movie hehehehe!!!

Loving My FREE TV!! Thats RIGHT CHARLIE FREE TV!!!!! bahahaha

Tony

sounds good in theory Mondo but it really does not hold water for a lot of people , if you have a motorized and dish and linear LNB yes they couldn't prove a thing but if you have an FTA receiver and a stationary dish pointed at a provider sat and DSS lnbs then it would be a little harder to explain away.

Do you have to admit that you are using that dish? People always move and they are instructed to leave their dish behind! :o

REMEMBER, THIS IS A RUMOR!!!! NOBODY HAS PAID ME ANYTHING JUST PASSING ON THE IMFO FROM ANOTHER WEB SITE

GARY:mad::mad::mad::mad:

There is no crime as in receiving the signal, just in deciphering it. You can have your ears directed to any bird and it's lawful, no crime there. And the only way to do that is by breaking into your house with a subpoena or a warrant, and for that they need more than reasonable knowledge then the direction of the antennas. Is like accusing you of adultery, nowadays doesn't count just seeing you with another woman, no even catching you naked in bed with her, they have to catch you in the act, or as that guy Igor Gonzalez, with a newborn. As a TealHawke said, don't fret, don't give importance to firestarters. They have to catch you: 1. in your house,; 2. Watching tv in a DN ciphered channel. Sun-tzu once said: “In order to defeat a strong enemy firstly throw confusion and mistrust into their mist.” By the way, Future-fta is up – However FTABINS ROCKS!

Whether it's rumor or not, these things happen occasionally if the popo finds out.

i heard that a certain company was in trouble "wink wink", and that the company admitted to doing bad things "hint wink", now its not certain as to what who and why, but i heard that its not very good news for blank "wink hint wink wink".

*im sorry*.

C/P
More Arrests: FTA Industry Collapsing
Seems like theBroken is ratting out everyone to save his own skin. Now that Viewsat, Coolsat, etc., have been connected to the coder behind the scripts, expect the FTA players to hand over ALL buyer info and expect to get a $20,000 US or more demand letter in the mail, courtesy of Charlie.

Buying a cheap, Korean/Chinese made STB will probably turn out to be the most EXPENSIVE purchase anyone in the US ever made.


I don't think so... This Fed court decision would probably apply here...

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals issued a ruling in 2007 stating that the full penalties for manufacturing satellite piracy devices cannot be imposed on those who merely activate hacked satellite TV access cards.

Federal law prohibits production of satellite piracy devices and imposes strict penalties, which are spelled out in section 605(e)(4) of the Federal Communications Act. According to the Act, "Any person who manufactures, assembles, modifies, imports, exports, sells, or distributes any electronic, mechanical, or other device or equipment, knowing or having reason to know that the device or equipment is primarily of assistance in the unauthorized decryption of satellite cable programming," faces fines of up to $500,000 and up to five years in prison for each violation.

The law also separately establishes fines of up to $2,000 and six months in prison for interception, and fines up to $50,000 and two years in prison for intercepting satellite signals for private financial gain, as described in 605(a).

The Ninth Circuit judges determined that using a device called an "unlooper" to activate hacked D*TV satellite decryption card doesn't fall under 605(e)(4) because it isn't assembly or modification within the context of the law. In the decision, the judges state that 605(e)(4) is intended to punish those produce and sell satellite piracy devices, not individuals who simply reactivate hacked cards for the purposes of interception.

"Reading section 605 as a whole makes clear that Congress intended to treat differently individuals who played different roles in the pirating system," the decision states. "In contrast to subsection (a)? targeting of individuals who use piracy devices to intercept satellite signals, subsection (e)(4) aims at bigger fish—the assemblers, manufacturers, and distributors of piracy devices."

This significance of this ruling stretches beyond the scope of satellite piracy. In a blog entry, Electronic Frontier staff attorney Jason Schultz (who argued the defendants' case before the court) explained how the judges' decision protects researchers. "Security researchers and computer scientists who assemble and modify these devices for purposes of educational research and innovation studies (but not to intercept TV illegally) will no longer have to worry about potential liability from vendors who don't like their results."

D*TV's cold war with satellite hackers has been running for years. We have previously reported on past attempts by D*TV to aggressively overreach the scope of law in an effort to crack down on signal piracy. The ruling issued by the Ninth Circuit will prevent signal pirates from facing excessive penalties for their crime by reaffirming the clear distinction established by Congress between commercially-motivated piracy enablement and mere signal piracy.

BTW - another court already ruled buyer info is off limits...

I don't think so... This Fed court decision would probably apply here...

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals issued a ruling in 2007 stating that the full penalties for manufacturing satellite piracy devices cannot be imposed on those who merely activate hacked satellite TV access cards.

Federal law prohibits production of satellite piracy devices and imposes strict penalties, which are spelled out in section 605(e)(4) of the Federal Communications Act. According to the Act, "Any person who manufactures, assembles, modifies, imports, exports, sells, or distributes any electronic, mechanical, or other device or equipment, knowing or having reason to know that the device or equipment is primarily of assistance in the unauthorized decryption of satellite cable programming," faces fines of up to $500,000 and up to five years in prison for each violation.

The law also separately establishes fines of up to $2,000 and six months in prison for interception, and fines up to $50,000 and two years in prison for intercepting satellite signals for private financial gain, as described in 605(a).

The Ninth Circuit judges determined that using a device called an "unlooper" to activate hacked D*TV satellite decryption card doesn't fall under 605(e)(4) because it isn't assembly or modification within the context of the law. In the decision, the judges state that 605(e)(4) is intended to punish those produce and sell satellite piracy devices, not individuals who simply reactivate hacked cards for the purposes of interception.

"Reading section 605 as a whole makes clear that Congress intended to treat differently individuals who played different roles in the pirating system," the decision states. "In contrast to subsection (a)? targeting of individuals who use piracy devices to intercept satellite signals, subsection (e)(4) aims at bigger fish—the assemblers, manufacturers, and distributors of piracy devices."

This significance of this ruling stretches beyond the scope of satellite piracy. In a blog entry, Electronic Frontier staff attorney Jason Schultz (who argued the defendants' case before the court) explained how the judges' decision protects researchers. "Security researchers and computer scientists who assemble and modify these devices for purposes of educational research and innovation studies (but not to intercept TV illegally) will no longer have to worry about potential liability from vendors who don't like their results."

D*TV's cold war with satellite hackers has been running for years. We have previously reported on past attempts by D*TV to aggressively overreach the scope of law in an effort to crack down on signal piracy. The ruling issued by the Ninth Circuit will prevent signal pirates from facing excessive penalties for their crime by reaffirming the clear distinction established by Congress between commercially-motivated piracy enablement and mere signal piracy.

BTW - another court already ruled buyer info is off limits...

Great article here. Can you reference the highlighted ruling for us as well? I would like to see that one as well.

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Seems like theBroken is ratting out everyone to save his own skin. Now that Viewsat, Coolsat, etc., have been connected to the coder behind the scripts, expect the FTA players to hand over ALL buyer info and expect to get a $20,000 US or more demand letter in the mail, courtesy of Charlie.

Buying a cheap, Korean/Chinese made STB will probably turn out to be the most EXPENSIVE purchase anyone in the US ever made.

Good luck guys, but it looks real bad down in the US. It seems like Dish has the upperhand now. Utlimately, Dish wanted the customer info and was denied by the courts up until now, but now that they got theBroken admitting his connection to all the FTA suppliers, Dish will be getting those customer lists in a hurry!

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For the last few days while Hashhu was on vacation terrible news came to light.

The coder who was making the files for Captain, Coolsat & Viewsat became known to everyone... Phillip Allison of Seminole, Florida... and in the court documents he has admitted making and selling the bin files to Freetech aka Coolsat and Viewtech aka Viewsat.

Echostar needed to prove a connection between the receiver makers and the pirate bin files and they have so its all downhill for Freetech & Viewrech from this point on. They will be making whatever settlement arrangements they can work out and they will be gone. No way to get out when somebody gives you up.

They also have proof this guy was sending the files to completefta.com and f2fta.com with instructions to post them. Anybody that can be tied to this guy is done for because he has given up everyone it looks like.

The current documents don't show any other websites but DISH may be keeping some of their investigations secret and we may find out some more names as time goes on.

The only surprise in the documents was that Allison stated in a communication that they had a software method to make Viewsat receivers work on Nagra's new system - it is not indicated if this was the add-on dongle for iks or the 'card' fix but most likely this guy would have gotten something to work.

So much for 'his' Nagra 3 fix.

UPDATE: Information is now available that a Neosat/K-Box coder has also been arrested - which makes sense as there is a connection to Coolsat and this investigation has been on-going for more than a year - however I haven't been able to confirm if this is true yet.
THIS IS JUST (ABOB)

A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT :yes:

Great article here. Can you reference the highlighted ruling for us as well? I would like to see that one as well.

Here ya go...

Deno,
Depending upon Where you are in the world.. Where I am heh.. It would be a cold day
in hell.. Besides that Flashing the bin.. Oh hell before they even got to the door and knocked on it Those receivers would be toast.. Also They would have to Have A Warrant
How could they obtain that without Proof?!?!? What proof Circumstatial a Dish pointed
towards a Sat? If i had an account with them and Decided I don't want to get ripped
off anymore and pay their STUPID OUTRAGEOUS FEE'S its not my fault they left their
dish with their lnb.. Hell they advertise when you move leave the dish and pack your receivers Di$hnetwork will come and install a New Dish For The Greedy Charlie Ergan and His Entoruge of Bafoons.. So With what proof do they have to enter a Private Residence
and Look at my recievers!?!??! I am in the Southeast here.. They must have proof I am getting their Programming.... I mean hard proof before a Judge will ever issue a Warrant..
Needless to say Once again COME GET ME!!! Bahahahahah (Evil Laugh) Oh by the way where I am all I need is a No Trespassing Sign and Believe me without a Warrant Its real easy for me to make something bad happen to someone i don't want on my Property!!
Even if it ever came to that Its Kinda Hard To read the Flash From a Receiver that has been smashed to pieces before they got into the door. Because they are Knocking doesn't mean I am going to Let them in before taking care of some minor things hehehe...
Its really easy to scare people who don't know.... I don't like spin Doctors... They are going after the people who are writing the stuff not the end user.. Unless you are up in Canada then its a Different Story with a Different Ending there you have to be careful from what I understand.. But Here Its a bit of a Different Story!!!!

Freddy!! heheheh Mondo Network heheheheYeah I am Like the Old Alltell People Love my circle All my neighbors do and Its Growing by leaps and Bounds heheheheh!!!!

I LOVE THIS GAME!!!!!!! :twisted:

Have a good one!
Tony


In Canada would be a different story? Lol, well If you were pointed to the Nasa Channel sat in Canada then you would be pointed to a sat that legally you can not "BUY" programming for ... Why? because the ratings are different and dish didnt want to change them for the canadian market so...

If the only way you could recieve dish in canada is to get a illegal adress in the states then quite frankly it is illegal to purchase dish programming in canada... so if it is illegal to purchase it and you recieve it, how could that be illegal..... It couldnt be stealing, unless the signal was from expresspuke IMHO anyway.

that came from another site.

[QUOTE=LazyNogoodBum;496056]I don't think so... This Fed court decision would probably apply here...

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals issued a ruling in 2007 stating that the full penalties for manufacturing satellite piracy devices cannot be imposed on those who merely activate hacked satellite TV access cards.
That ruling only applies in the 9th circuit until and IF somebody can make other circuits rule in a similar fashion.

However, the 9th circuit ruling has no effect on civil litigation and they can demand any amount they want and unless you show up in court with a really expensive attorney who knows communications law they will get a judgement and slap a lien on your property.

If you own the property the judgement will sit there until you die or decide to sell and then they will collect it. If you have a mortgage you are screwed because the mortgage co will probably give you 90 days at most to pay the judgement or they will toss you out in the street because they would have to pay the judgement.

You must hire a communications attorney immediately or they will prevail simply because of their knowledge and experience - then you must show up in court each time or they will enter a default judgement.

Here ya go...

First, thank you for posting the PDf file!

Second, I recommend everyone here open up that PDF and read it from start to finish.

The court makes several good points regarding protection of privacy for the end user (us).

They establish the fact that FTA receivers are legal to purchase. They are legal to use as they were intended to be used "out of the box". The manufacturer does not make them as a device to intercept encrypted satellite signals, nor do they promote them to be used in that fashion.

Genius lawyers for the Freetech manufactured have effectively set up a road block between the litigation against themselves and the end user. Great news for us! Without us spending any money, Freetech's legal team has won a court order protecting our right to privacy based on the fact it is impossible to know what the end user will ultimately do with the FTA receiver once they have it. It could be used for true FTA or modified with third party software for illegal purposes. The manufacturer has no control over that. They do have control over how they manufacture and market them. The old adage "what you do with it after you buy it is none of our business" applies here.

I've also gotten the sense that the courts are NOT very sympathetic to Dish's plight. There is an air of "well, fix your encryption methods and you'll fix your piracy problem" coming from the courts.

Dish's only true option is a complete receiver swap with all new encryption methods that are proprietary and unique. This has been discussed to death and the end result is that solution would put them under financially. The stockholders would never allow that kind of spending at the same time they are showing a profit.

Piracy is a battle Dish will fight for a long time and spend untold $$ trying to put an end to it. In the mean time, we are just innocent bystanders watching someone else's fight.

Thanks again for the PDF. That is mandatory reading if you ask me.

Cheers!

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals issued a ruling in 2007 stating that the full penalties for manufacturing satellite piracy devices cannot be imposed on those who merely activate hacked satellite TV access cards.
That ruling only applies in the 9th circuit until and IF somebody can make other circuits rule in a similar fashion.

However, the 9th circuit ruling has no effect on civil litigation and they can demand any amount they want and unless you show up in court with a really expensive attorney who knows communications law they will get a judgement and slap a lien on your property.

If you own the property the judgement will sit there until you die or decide to sell and then they will collect it. If you have a mortgage you are screwed because the mortgage co will probably give you 90 days at most to pay the judgement or they will toss you out in the street because they would have to pay the judgement.

You must hire a communications attorney immediately or they will prevail simply because of their knowledge and experience - then you must show up in court each time or they will enter a default judgement.

I'm no lawyer & I sure dont want to give anybody a false sense of security. Just posting some stuff thats out there. You all make your own decisions...

Just because the ruling occurred in the 9th circuit does not mean it has no bearing on other jurisdictions. In our fair country, courts give due respect to the decisions of other courts in our land.

The ruling in the 9th circuit definitely DOES come to bear in all future litigations across the country. A savvy lawyer (even the cheap ones we can afford) will bear witness to this ruling and leverage it to our favor. That is if (and mind you it's a BIG if) one of us were ever to go toe to toe with Dish Network directly.

If Dish Network ever had an axe to grind with one of us, the evidence they could gather would only be circumstantial at best. Visiting chat rooms, subscribing to forums, even downloading bin files is not "bona-fide" proof that you are in fact pirating their satellite signals. I remember reading somewhere that it would take extremely sophisticated equipment to monitor your house (from the street) and collect electronic data from your TV's emissions and translate that into data that could be used against you as proof that you were indeed watching a channel that could only be coming from one of their encrypted signals. Far too complex and cost-prohibitive for even the Evil DN to accomplish.

Their fight is clearly with the FTA manufacturers. I would be shocked if we were to discover that Dish actually went after an end user. Maybe if that Sports Bar owner bought a bunch of FTA's and had them playing at his business. Even that would be a stretch, but somewhat conceivable.

Bottom line is do whatever makes you feel safe. If you feel this is too much risk and not enough reward, get out. That's easy.

this is too funny! point I was trying to make was it would be just one more ace up their sleeve if they were thinking of taking a person down.

chances are you will never see it happen because it is easier for them to go after dealers, IKS servers and coders than individuals and if you succeeded in getting them then for the most part illegal use of FTA would go away anyway.

that said here in Canada you have to be more careful as the way I understand it if the cops enter your house for any reason and find anything they don't like you can be charged. Call to a house for a domestic dispute and you have a weed plant growing, illegally stored gun or FTA box with HBO capabilities then ya gonna get charged under those acts as well.

Well, I found a solution for all that. When my wife beats me up I just don't holler loud enough for neighbors to hear and call the cops. LOL Actually, as long as the guy in the city can sell and program FTA boxes, has a big LED sign outside advertising Viewsat, 8 dishes on the roof pointed God knows where and runs this biz four blocks from the local cop shop I feel fairly safe in my little corner of the world.

Thinking if they ever showed up here I would have to laugh. Between the drugs in this area, the rapes, murders, thefts and break ins I would have to ask them if they were having a slow day and nothing better to do.

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Seems like theBroken is ratting out everyone to save his own skin,,.........................

..............They also have proof this guy was sending the files to completefta.com and f2fta.com with instructions to post them. Anybody that can be tied to this guy is done for because he has given up everyone it looks like.

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for those who useto be members at complete,and,are/were worried about ur info...ur ok!
i would like to make a small point about the fellows over at complete.
a few of the great mods from complete are now on my other homesite and this was posted thismorning by monsterminds
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As some of you know we lost a few great sites in the past 3 months and well if you believe the rumors its the end of the world, But it isn't !!!! I have also read rumors about one of our owners "Rolling" trust me when I say this didn't happen, I have regular contact with the Co owner EVERY DAY. Our site(complete) was closed to secure the DB and keep it out of the providers hands !

Now that thats out of the way.

Some of you may not know but BB and I go way back and its great that he has welcomed me here I owuld like to take a moment and welcome more of my completeXXX family

STG, stgal,JimMrBass Great people always positive and sometimes a little intoxicated Lol
But good people, Happy to have them hete at xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The same goes for Lillypad she is the most bestest person you could ever have on any site, She is forsure a ray of sunshine !! Love ya mamacita!
Gunzz,Cuda,Mental,sizzle...
Welcome to Our New home guys !
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so..... nothing major happened with complete,no ones "rolling"on anyone there. thier db was not comprimised!!
just thought id share that if neone was wondering what happened to evry1 at complete.

Thanks for the post, Jayhoo

WOW!!! Some how this " NEW MEMBER- garry simmo- knows more than the supermods about what's going on. This has charlies fingerprints all over it. This guy "Phillip Allison" coded for Viewsat,Coolsat, AND CAPTAIN!!!! I don't think so. Viewsat is a top contender in support. Captain is at the bottom.Captain's reputation has destroyed them, Is my guess.

this all sounds like all b------s to me thanks

That's A NO S****ER!!:censored: I'll Go $19.00 Mo For A Subscription:thmbup:,If I Get EVERTHING,:evil: Like I Do Now,No Telling Me What's :mad:OFFERED,Long Story Short,This Post Sound's Really Intimidating:fear: Till you Figure, If You Possess A Piece Of Equipment That Could Be USED For Something Illegal,They Have to CATCH You Performing The:whack: illegal Activity,,,,HMNN, Look
's Like They Got A Big Job On Their Hand's.:tongue:

Ahh The Spin Doctors,

This is Really Unsubstanticiated... As far as Getting the Records of people buying
stb's buying the Stb is NOT ILLEGAL>. (DUH!!!!) Buying a Koreon Reciever is going to
be the most expensive Receiver you buy?!?!? heh hahahah Thats Funny... I bought
mine for Free To Air.. Nothing more.. That is what it is.. How the Hell Is echostar going
to get me for buying a FTA Receiver?!!?!? I am Right here Come get me.. Meanwhile when i slap them with a countersuit for defamation of charactor and Harrasment and
how this has effected My Outlook on life and people so I am not going to get over it,
so I need 1,000,000,000,000 dollars to Compensate me for my beliefs in Human Kind
Has been Utterly Shattered Oh my... What am I to do...
On that note all I gotta say is I don't see people going down more like I see some
people taking advantage of Circumstances and are Building Fear Stories Upon those
Circumstances...Anyone Can spin a tale...

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we will give you a Free 3 Month Subscription to the Spice Channel Compliment of Us..
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I had to include N3txgen on this because its his Forum... heheh...

Anything said in the Previous Statements Is Completle BULL$HIT!!!! Please Pull your
pants legs Up and get those Waders on!!! It is Getting Deep!!!!! LMAO

Have a good One
Tony
now that's funny. hehehe

now that's funny. hehehe

yea but he is correct 100%

like buying fire crackers ,legal to buy yes free to air yes thanks

Yes it all happened pretty much like they say. Except that no one was arrested. There were no cops. It is not against the law to write code for an FTA box. Give me a break.

Mr Snitch err Phillip Allison won't be arrested. He didn't face arrest. He didn't snitch for fear of going to jail. He snitched off because he is a dirt bag who cannot dance to the music of his own creation. He ran a very loose ship. Now he is trying to get out of the shit storm he created by snitching off his associates. I'd never recommend violence as a solution or a means to an end, but if I did, I'd say that snitch needs his ass beat down.

Compartmentize! Water tight compartments! Learn it. Live it.

Mr Snitch made it too easy for Charlie to connect the dots. I talked to Mr Rat once. He reminded me of...Mr Kwak. They could have been twins, except with different mothers. I am not sure what makes peeps think they are so utterly invulnerable. What gives them so much hubris. But both them dudes were victims of their own pride. That is a fact.

At one time, I thought for sure Mr Kwak would bring all of FTA crashing down. I told him so, publically, at his site, six months before he was served. He didn't listen. He banned me instead. So I took his site down for two days, and put an back orifice on his personal computer. Haha. That's probably a joke. At least Mr Kwak was not a rat fook. I give him that much.

This will mean, of course, the end of those brands of FTA box. All they had to do is connect the company, with a Web site deseminating third party bins, and payment to the coders writing those third party bins. It's over for those companies. But, as it is panning out, Charlie will have to do that for EACH FTA company he wishes to bankrupt.

I think I have detailed why Charlie went after those particular companies. Maybe not. It is because those companies had clone kill code in their third party bins. Clone kill code is the smoking gun. Pansat is the only one left out of that bunch, and is the only FTA box maker left that has anything to fear. The great thing about Pansat? Charlie can't get anyone to talk. He can't even find anyone to serve. Their ship is zipped up tight, by the looks of it.

Listen! If you are ever in some kind of conspiracy, with a group of peeps, make sure everyone understands one thing: If no one talks, everyone walks. Never, never talk to anyone about anything unless your lawyer is sitting right beside you. That applies if you are getting sued or if you are getting arrested by the real cops. Don't be a rat. Don't say shit.

The court document details are...pretty sad. These mofos were stupid. No one ever said FTA was full on geniuses. In fact, they say the contrary. It don't affect any of us unless you own one of those brands. And then only...no bins. That's all. We are end users, after all. Right? Sure.

Charlie is being somewhat creative in that he is trying to use a document security stamp used to protect trade secrets to protect...snitches. To protect the identity of those who snitched. It won't fly. But it is fairly tricky.

Yes it all happened pretty much like they say. Except that no one was arrested. There were no cops. It is not against the law to write code for an FTA box. Give me a break.

Mr Snitch err Phillip Allison won't be arrested. He didn't face arrest. He didn't snitch for fear of going to jail. He snitched off because he is a dirt bag who cannot dance to the music of his own creation. He ran a very loose ship. Now he is trying to get out of the shit storm he created by snitching off his associates. I'd never recommend violence as a solution or a means to an end, but if I did, I'd say that snitch needs his ass beat down.

Compartmentize! Water tight compartments! Learn it. Live it.

Mr Snitch made it too easy for Charlie to connect the dots. I talked to Mr Rat once. He reminded me of...Mr Kwak. They could have been twins, except with different mothers. I am not sure what makes peeps think they are so utterly invulnerable. What gives them so much hubris. But both them dudes were victims of their own pride. That is a fact.

At one time, I thought for sure Mr Kwak would bring all of FTA crashing down. I told him so, publically, at his site, six months before he was served. He didn't listen. He banned me instead. So I took his site down for two days, and put an back orifice on his personal computer. Haha. That's probably a joke. At least Mr Kwak was not a rat fook. I give him that much.

This will mean, of course, the end of those brands of FTA box. All they had to do is connect the company, with a Web site deseminating third party bins, and payment to the coders writing those third party bins. It's over for those companies. But, as it is panning out, Charlie will have to do that for EACH FTA company he wishes to bankrupt.

I think I have detailed why Charlie went after those particular companies. Maybe not. It is because those companies had clone kill code in their third party bins. Clone kill code is the smoking gun. Pansat is the only one left out of that bunch, and is the only FTA box maker left that has anything to fear. The great thing about Pansat? Charlie can't get anyone to talk. He can't even find anyone to serve. Their ship is zipped up tight, by the looks of it.

Listen! If you are ever in some kind of conspiracy, with a group of peeps, make sure everyone understands one thing: If no one talks, everyone walks. Never, never talk to anyone about anything unless your lawyer is sitting right beside you. That applies if you are getting sued or if you are getting arrested by the real cops. Don't be a rat. Don't say shit.

The court document details are...pretty sad. These mofos were stupid. No one ever said FTA was full on geniuses. In fact, they say the contrary. It don't affect any of us unless you own one of those brands. And then only...no bins. That's all. We are end users, after all. Right? Sure.

Charlie is being somewhat creative in that he is trying to use a document security stamp used to protect trade secrets to protect...snitches. To protect the identity of those who snitched. It won't fly. But it is fairly tricky.


Now that I agree.... Why did Viewsat put out Clone kills in their Bins?
That proves so much... Pansat never put clone kills...

However your forgot 1 company.... Dreambox Muti Media..
They have never had trouble... Also they do have a clone bomb checker but you have to load it yourself....

Back to the point the clone kills proves that Viewsat didnt want anyone to use thier box other than real viewsat and to make sure they put a clone kill in thier bins...

That proves they know people use the bins for 3rd party and they dont want the clones out there and they want to destroy them.

This hobby is no longer a hobby anymore , or thats the feeling I get more and more now.

However what people dont realize if you get a motor and a good lnb there are lots of channels out there and yes on true FTA... Your not going to get the PPVs but so what you can always get them watch them live online and that it good enough for some people.

Anyways in a nutshell I agree with you 100%

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Seems like theBroken is ratting out everyone to save his own skin. Now that Viewsat, Coolsat, etc., have been connected to the coder behind the scripts, expect the FTA players to hand over ALL buyer info and expect to get a $20,000 US or more demand letter in the mail, courtesy of Charlie.

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sniff... sniff... is it me or is there some propaganda in here?


German propaganda: Ze statue of libutee is kaput!

Captain Miller: "The Statue of Liberty is kaput" - that's disconcerting.

I find it slightly hard to believe that companies that manufactor hardware will have any ties to the broken which can be proven. If anything they will claim that an individual or individuals have acted without the companies permission in dealing with the man. These folks aren't dumb. They would insulate themselfs as best as possible from any actual ties to unlawful activity. I am willing to bet that they have a room full of lawyers giving them hypothetical advice on how to best do that at any given instant.
As far as walking into your home and snatching your reciever. Will be interesting to see them wrestle it out of the mouth of my 120 lb dog after I give it to her as a chew toy.
All scare tactics and bs.

I find it slightly hard to believe that companies that manufactor hardware will have any ties to the broken which can be proven. If anything they will claim that an individual or individuals have acted without the companies permission in dealing with the man. These folks aren't dumb. They would insulate themselfs as best as possible from any actual ties to unlawful activity. I am willing to bet that they have a room full of lawyers giving them hypothetical advice on how to best do that at any given instant.
As far as walking into your home and snatching your reciever. Will be interesting to see them wrestle it out of the mouth of my 120 lb dog after I give it to her as a chew toy.
All scare tactics and bs.

Well they have tons of emails, they have peeps computers with all the files on them, they have sworn depositions... there are lots of really dumb people out there.

it sounds like a set-up deal from gary who the hell ever. i would not trust him. i have beeen around a while and i have heard this shit before. DON'T TRUST HIM.

tons of emails, haven't seen or heard of any of those. Most of the manufactorers computers are not anywhere that a US court has any jurisdiction. peeps computers, hearsay and gossip. I can put any name I want on an email. Have a few people, who at best have questionable ehtics, running sights for profit, reaping the benifits of 3rd party software. Who after they got caught in unlawful activities decided to name persons and parties whom may or may not have engaged in unlawful activities. Is very easy to convince the jury that the primary witness is a dirtbag that is lying his a*^ off to get it out of a jam. Sworn statements, sworn by people who admit to committing felonies. I still think you are going to have to do better than that to bust up a multi million dollar enterprise. You may get something to stick on one or two really low people, but the end users are still safe, and I'll bet that at worst one or two manufactorers have to reach a settlement with dn. Knew a lot of people who were sent letters by dave. Noone that I knew wound up giving him a dime except those that did cards for money. Feel pretty much the same about the way these things will go. Expect everything to blow over in short order, and dave will help to bring out the fix for n3 so his competition loses even more money. New boxes may be required, but it will all work out in the end.

Next time try providing an alternate home address.....in Mexico or other country (no company can sue us down here... to much hassle and you can always buy your way out )

VS, Pansat, and Coolsat all put clone kill code in their bins...because they are run by Koreans who never went to business school. An American would never resort to those kinds of tactics. If someone is cloning your product, that is a business problem with business solutions. Basically, the cloning of your product means you are charging too much.

BL invented the clone kill code. Pansat was the first. BL, at that time, was a crappy coder. So his clone kill code was sloppy, and killed genuine Pansat boxes. But Pansat deserves some credit--if your genuine box got hit by clone kill code, Pansat repaired it for free. And of course, the Pansat boxes have JTAG ports so you can fix them yourself. That makes clone kill code pretty minor.

With the VS, they intended to kill some genuine boxes for one. And for two, no JTAG port so when your genuine box got killed by clone kill code, you were SOL. You just lost a box for good.

The point being, clone kill code is the smoking gun. It proves collusion between the factory and the third party bin coders. Who cares about clones? Who is the ONLY one who cares about clones? The factory. Coders don't want crap like clone kill code in their bins. They certainly would not do it on their own, or for free.

I didn't know the Dreambox had clone kill code. It uses an open source bin, right? That relieves the company from charges of collusion. I thought the clone bomb checker, checked for the clone kill code.

What we really need is a cheap Dreambox clone. I mean it.

VS would offer you a Lite box if your genuine VS box got whacked by clone kill code. They took off $50. I found something interesting while checking the Lite box over. The factory had cut a trace that led to pin eight of the eeprom...rendering it unpowered. And the box itself invulnerable to clone kill code regardless of how sloppy it was. You had to remove the mother board and look underneath.

So if you had a clone, all you had to do is unpower the eeprom. Lift pin eight. Or cut the trace. That rendered the clone kill code impotent. For whatever reason, when I disclosed that information wide and far, and including on Mr Kwak's site, he was not happy. He was against clones. He was for clone kill code even if it did kill genuine VS boxes.

A clone kill code killed box is easy to fix if the box has a JTAG port. If it don't, you have to remove the TSOP. Flash it. Put it back. I never met a VS tech who could do that. I can do it. And did. I took one clone killed box as payment for fixing one clone killed box. They seemed pretty happy with that deal.

Pansat would repair their boxes for...free. No shit. Mr Kim deserves some credit for that. However, if your box was a clone, he would not touch it. So there was this 55 gallon trash can just for peeps to put their burnt up clones in. I wanted to purchase said clones. Mr Kim would NOT sell them to me. So I ended up stealing that trash can full of Pansat clones. I did it...twice. I fixed every box. I made them invulnerable to clone kill code. Then I sold them for half the price of a genuine Pansat :)

Now that I agree.... Why did Viewsat put out Clone kills in their Bins?
That proves so much... Pansat never put clone kills...

However your forgot 1 company.... Dreambox Muti Media..
They have never had trouble... Also they do have a clone bomb checker but you have to load it yourself....

Back to the point the clone kills proves that Viewsat didnt want anyone to use thier box other than real viewsat and to make sure they put a clone kill in thier bins...

That proves they know people use the bins for 3rd party and they dont want the clones out there and they want to destroy them.

This hobby is no longer a hobby anymore , or thats the feeling I get more and more now.

However what people dont realize if you get a motor and a good lnb there are lots of channels out there and yes on true FTA... Your not going to get the PPVs but so what you can always get them watch them live online and that it good enough for some people.

Anyways in a nutshell I agree with you 100%

They will NEVER come to your house and take your reciever. Or computer. Why not? They can't. Not in America. We have the Bill of Rights to protect us. No civil court has the power to order such a thing. It has never happened. It will never happen.

If you are talking about Canada, then yes, it could happen. It has happened. How? Anton Pillar. Anton is a mofo.

America does NOT have Anton Pillar. Practically every other country has it, but not America. Why not? It violates the Bill of Rights. It violates MY rights.

To those that don't know, a civil court in America can NEVER come inside your house and take your shit. We never gave them the power to do that. Civil court is powerless over you the individual.

It don't matter how big the civil judgement is against you. They will never take your personal shit. Why? They don't have the power. We would never give a big business that much power. Why? Big business is evil for one. And for two, no one cares if they get their filthy lucre or not.


I find it slightly hard to believe that companies that manufactor hardware will have any ties to the broken which can be proven. If anything they will claim that an individual or individuals have acted without the companies permission in dealing with the man. These folks aren't dumb. They would insulate themselfs as best as possible from any actual ties to unlawful activity. I am willing to bet that they have a room full of lawyers giving them hypothetical advice on how to best do that at any given instant.
As far as walking into your home and snatching your reciever. Will be interesting to see them wrestle it out of the mouth of my 120 lb dog after I give it to her as a chew toy.
All scare tactics and bs.

Tell that to all the people the RIAA and DirecTV chased in civil court...

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/DirecTV+Gets+Aggressive+on+Signal+Theft.+(Media+&+Technology)-a081226404

It simply isn't cost-effective to execute search and seizures against private residences en-masse. They do a couple a year to get some headlines, dragging some old lady or young kid off to jail to scare people.

According to the attached article, signal theft violates four federal statutes, and some states laws (this will vary, state to state). Add that to probable cause (e.g. a dish pointed at their satellites at a home with no subscription) and you've got everything required for a search warrant.

Probale cause too search my house is not a dish pointed at them, it could be left there from another customer, wind could move it ect., plus I have purchased all my boxes cash not on anyones list. Owning the boxes can not be a crime are they would not be selling them. None of this bs fly's.

it sounds like a set-up deal from gary who the hell ever. i would not trust him. i have beeen around a while and i have heard this shit before. DON'T TRUST HIM.

GARY has 7 posts on this site and all of sudden he has MAJOR PROPAGANDA](propaganda- the spreading of information to cause damage)to insert on a major FTA site and after all these negative replies he never steps up to defend himself or his information. Gary you must be working for Charlie:yes:

THAT is what i said all along. we don't need him or his BS.

The FTA Never died..................................... ok

Ignore these pathetic attempts at intimidation.Only god can judge me.

explain more arrest ?

Hi guys ,hang tight if we had a date or time frame that this happen please post it & I or some one here will scratch it out as everything has records,I live in the swamp so If I had a time frame I could chk on it ,,..Stay cool :thmbup:not our job to panic.let the coders do there thing God Bless Them:clap:

It is more than just not cost-effective. It can't be done. The DMCA is civil code, not penal code. There is no such thing as search and seizure in the civil code.

They never drag anyone to jail. NEVER. The DMCA is civil code, not the penal code. You have to violate the penal code to go to jail. The civil code does not have the power. Remember, the civil code, and civil trials, concern two things---two private parties who have a dispute. We provide the arena, and a judge to help settle the dispute. What civil court almost always is...a big business driving out a smaller business. Civil court is a fine place to get rid of the competition. It is what Charlie is doing. He is bankrupting, or was, FTA box makers.

We get a relief from court actions once Nag3 is fully implemented. Nag3 represents a technological means that preempt injunctive relief. Charlie has to try and FAIL with his technology before he can seem injunctive relief.

We violate the DMCA. That's it. The Court of Appeals threw out the use of the Federal Wiretapping law against us.

We won vs the RIAA. DRM music is here to stay. A billion songs were DL. A couple thousand were mailed a demand letter. Some were sued. If you ever get a demand letter, throw it away. Listen, the RIAA is being sued right now, and if they lose, they will have to return every penny they extorted. Dave is passe. What he did, no one can do anymore. The Court of Appeals has ruled the providers must prove you watched PirateTv with paying for it. Owning an unlooper is no longer good enough.

You must be an idiot. Do you know what is actually required for a search warrant? An oval on your roof means squat. Charlie and BEV both pay peeps to leave their dish on the roof when you move. They will install a new one at your new location...gratis.

Tell that to all the people the RIAA and DirecTV chased in civil court...

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/DirecTV+Gets+Aggressive+on+Signal+Theft.+(Media+&+Technology)-a081226404

It simply isn't cost-effective to execute search and seizures against private residences en-masse. They do a couple a year to get some headlines, dragging some old lady or young kid off to jail to scare people.

According to the attached article, signal theft violates four federal statutes, and some states laws (this will vary, state to state). Add that to probable cause (e.g. a dish pointed at their satellites at a home with no subscription) and you've got everything required for a search warrant.