Blacklist Court Documents
Case No. CV-07-6124 JW
DISH NETWORK L.L.C., a Colorado
Limited Liability Company,
ECHOSTAR TECHNOLOGIES
L.L.C., a Texas Limited Liability
Company, and NAGRASTAR L.L.C.,
a Colorado Limited Liability
Company,
Plaintiffs,

v.

KHACHIK BAGDASARYAN a/k/a
CHRIS BAGDASARYAN,
Defendant.

Here we go again WHEEEEE !

not much for a great read but i like how they say...."the intricate underground
satellite television piracy rings".ooooooooooo :shifty:

God it sounds like The Cia going after Terrorists heheheheh Oh this is Unbelieveable,
Actually it is Quite Amusing.. What Charlie will go through to ring every
last dollar outta someone... You gotta love it.. I like Jayhoos comment hehe
Intricate Underground heheheheh!! thats Funny Ohhh the Mysterious
Sat Underground.. Thats rich!!! Hey Charlie!!! Were still here bahahahah!
Hows N3 doing Sucker?!?!?! :rolleyes: Bahahahahah

Thanks for the Info Amusing Read heheheh!!!
Tony

You know if I were a coder 7 had the fix for N3 I would send charley the first bin with a BIG SMILEY on the envelope. Below that i'd add KISS OUR ASS cause we rule. He's making so much $ without offering a level playing field.

Update
Blacklist Court Documents
(Another Case Number)
Here's another Case Number (2:2009cv03351) involving Khachik Bagdasaryan, filed on May 12, 2009:

Dish Network L.L.C. et al v. Khachik Bagdasaryan

Plaintiffs: Dish Network L.L.C., Echostar Technologies, L.L.C. and Nagrastar L.L.C.
Defendants: Khachik Bagdasaryan

Case Number: 2:2009cv03351
Filed: May 12, 2009

Court: California Central District Court
Office: Western Division - Los Angeles Office

Nature of Suit: Other Statutes - Cable/Satellite TV
Cause: 47:521 Violations of Cable Communications Act of 1984


Blacklist Court Documents

Case No. CV-07-6124 JW

[B]DISH NETWORK L.L.C., a Colorado
Limited Liability Company,
ECHOSTAR TECHNOLOGIES
L.L.C., a Texas Limited Liability
Company, and NAGRASTAR L.L.C.,
a Colorado Limited Liability
Company,
Plaintiffs,

v.

KHACHIK BAGDASARYAN a/k/a
CHRIS BAGDASARYAN,
Defendant.


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And where does it say that Khachik Bagdararyan is Blacklist? Am I missing something here?
Looks like supporting documents for an ongoing court proceeding between Freetech and Echostar to me.

i was wondering the same thing.

Here's an interesting link.... I knew a while ago that BL was Armenian. This link is semi-proof that this may indeed be BL:

ww*.foi.am/en/content/31/+Khachik+Bagdasaryan+blacklist&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us[/url]

Replace the * with a W

Scroll down the list of names and see.

Ironic how his name is on a list of "Blacklisted" public officials from The Peoples Republic of Armenia...

Cheers!

His name was attached to a supoena last summer along with many Pansat dealers, it's possible this could be a continuasion of that.

Here's an interesting link.... I knew a while ago that BL was Armenian. This link is semi-proof that this may indeed be BL:

ww*.foi.am/en/content/31/+Khachik+Bagdasaryan+blacklist&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us[/url]

Replace the * with a W

Scroll down the list of names and see.

Ironic how his name is on a list of "Blacklisted" public officials from The Peoples Republic of Armenia...

Cheers!

Wow, hail Google of finding the right name. Nr. 30 guilty in charge. Anybody knows him in more details?

Here's an interesting link.... I knew a while ago that BL was Armenian. This link is semi-proof that this may indeed be BL:

ww*.foi.am/en/content/31/+Khachik+Bagdasaryan+blacklist&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us[/url]

Replace the * with a W

Scroll down the list of names and see.

Ironic how his name is on a list of "Blacklisted" public officials from The Peoples Republic of Armenia...

Cheers!

This post made me register to this site,I just had to say wow great find and indeed that is probably blacklist.

Don't believe this stuff people. I highly doubt the true identity of Blacklist is known by DN or the feds, lol. It's very easy to stay anonymous when coding a file somewhere else when u are given the data stream info from another source. They have people log the stream and this info gets sent to a few hands before it's received by the coders in another Country. They are not in the US!!!

I highly dout this is blacklist,:confused: if it was wouldn't you think the bins would stop coming out for the pansats:?:

Wow, hail Google of finding the right name. Nr. 30 guilty in charge. Anybody knows him in more details?


I know it's not him period

I know it's not him period


Then you know nothing it is him plain and simple. I can tell you from experience it's easier to get caught then you think. In most cases it's becuase of someone else. The probllem iis usually relates to transactions weather it be dealers, advertising providing script services, hosting or whatever info get's exchanged and when your making money generally there are some form of records. Anyways you folks will beleive what you want but this is him and whatever happens doesn't really matter becuase someone else wil come along and replace him.

And just in case you think I don't know what I am talking about several years ago I was involved with a few websites one of which I owned. We were paying for what we thought was offshore hosting however the servers were in Florida. Although the Feds were after one site in particular when they acquired the server they discovered a pipeline of other sites 65 in all that were also involved in dss. Many folks involved had paypal and cc payment processors accounts frozen and some site owners faced litigation. Many well known folks in the satellite "hobby" dissapeared after this and things have never been the same.

His name was attached to a supoena last summer along with many Pansat dealers, it's possible this could be a continuasion of that.

Yes you're correct and the FTABins link can be found here: http://www.ftabins.net/showpost.php?p=242687, addressing the names/aliases of this person.

There was also a case filed against him on May 12, 2009, as previously posted.

Blacklist must be feeling the heat this time around cause over at future it says "supported by team future" instead of black list

Don't believe this stuff people. I highly doubt the true identity of Blacklist is known by DN or the feds, lol. It's very easy to stay anonymous when coding a file somewhere else when u are given the data stream info from another source. They have people log the stream and this info gets sent to a few hands before it's received by the coders in another Country. They are not in the US!!!

Its not easy to stay anonymous when money is involved.:thmbup:

Blacklist must be feeling the heat this time around cause over at future it says "supported by team future" instead of black list

since blacklist is not related in any way shape or form to that site
why would he feel any heat

blacklist files when released are not there first they are in other sites first

and everyone knows that the public relations guy named blacklist and the person making files is not the same person

even i know that and i dont use 3rd party files you just need to read to be informed

since blacklist is not related in any way shape or form to that site
why would he feel any heat

blacklist files when released are not there first they are in other sites first

and everyone knows that the public relations guy named blacklist and the person making files is not the same person

even i know that and i dont use 3rd party files you just need to read to be informed

Lol your a real genius:thmbup:,future before they vanished this last time had files before anyone and if you don't know that maybe you should be informed.

The banner on future used to read "SUPPORTED BY BLACKLIST",blacklist used to give big announcements on futures irc chat-------are you seeing a pattern yet genius?

All I'm saying is who ever blacklist is they are trying to distance them self from that online name "blacklist",the mods over at future told everyone blacklist retired and they changed the banner to teamfuture.

i noticed that too jh,they changed thier banner a few days ago i think,....prettysure future was the blacklist homesite but never had a stb suported by bl files so.....??

Lol your a real genius:thmbup:,future before they vanished this last time had files before anyone and if you don't know that maybe you should be informed.

The banner on future used to read "SUPPORTED BY BLACKLIST",blacklist used to give big announcements on futures irc chat-------are you seeing a pattern yet genius?

All I'm saying is who ever blacklist is they are trying to distance them self from that online name "blacklist",the mods over at future told everyone blacklist retired and they changed the banner to teamfuture.

you dont need to be a genius to know that this other site has nothing to do with old one

BL the PR guy might be retired but not blacklist the coder
files just came out a few minutes ago proving that

and since the files dont come out from that other site there is no reason to go there
especially when they are mentioned in some court documents

when BL files are posted in this site before they are posted on the other site
its just better to stay here

you dont need to be a genius to know that this other site has nothing to do with old one

BL the PR guy might be retired but not blacklist the coder
files just came out a few minutes ago proving that

and since the files dont come out from that other site there is no reason to go there
especially when they are mentioned in some court documents

when BL files are posted in this site before they are posted on the other site
its just better to stay here

My apologies I thought you were talking about the old future site,this new future site I'm still not sure about it looks suspicious but there is no hard evidence to back that up its all speculation at this point.

You would think the pansat coders would get the word out that this new future website is bogus.

why would anyone visit a fta site that all of a sudden lost the sponsor
but the sponsor is still selling ftas and still advertising on other sites just not that one

a site that lost all info???????? a site that you have to register again ??????
a site that is located in new place????????? a site that no longer has the support from BL

a site that went down when certain computers where retrieved by people mention in some court documents

a site where some members 3 of them thought they were all alone and chatting (when they had chat) that they worked as computer forensic detectives and how easy it was for them to track all the ips of all the users there (they didnt notice that i was there so i guess not that easy)

since the moment that they allowed the unnamed brand to be displayed and files for it
evryone knew it wasnt the same as it used to be

site seems ok. this is interesting.

Everbody,

All I know at this point is that people should stay the hell away from there,you can find anything that's there and more at sites like this one,I'd rather be safe then sorry

Future now is not the same as Future past.
I refuse to re-register there and it was my home site. There is no excuse for "losing" a database and your entire user list, as well as the templates and structure of the site.
I checked daily to see if it was back, and the day they "came back" I ran a neotrace and found the server based in Chicago. They have since moved to a server off shore, but who knows if that's being spoofed or not?
Lastly, I was able to read the posts and lurk without registering, but now they have blocked lurkers too.

I wish them all luck over there. Whatever is going on, whether it's legit or a trap, I'm not going to find out the hard way.

There are several other options available, including this site. Best for everyone to "lay low" and let the process happen. Not smart to hang around places where the heat is on, or was just on.

Dish is on a rampage right now and it seems they are trying to put the coders out of work before they go full N3. Problem is that they are seriously outnumbered. They catch 2 coders and 3 more pop up. Good news for us. Bad news for Dish.

Soooo... In other words. Even though im registered over there , I should probably not go there? How can I cancel My account over there. Do I email a mod or what?

Soooo... In other words. Even though im registered over there , I should probably not go there? How can I cancel My account over there. Do I email a mod or what?

Too late. If you've registered with the "New" Future site, you have given them what they need. They say they are back and better than ever. They dropped all relations to Blacklist and very well could be in the clear....

Perhaps they are just fine. Perhaps not. I am skeptical and I have always trusted my Spidey Senses....

I hope the best for them but they will have to go on without me.... no reason to re-register on a site I was already part of. No back-ups? That's where my Spidey Senses start tingling.

But I havent done anything, lol I just registered. I didnt know it was illegal to register for message boards.

But I havent done anything, lol I just registered. I didnt know it was illegal to register for message boards.

It's not illegal to have a friend who is a cocaine dealer either. But if the feds are watching him, they are watching you, too.

See what I mean?

Just be careful, that's all. Do whatever you feel comfortable with.

No I agree thanks. I just wont go there anymore. I had like one post, that's it. They said they had to redo the site for security purposes. They must have deleted everything before they took the comps. Is there anyway of deleting my account, Ive only been a member for 2 weeks now lol. They took out the blacklist logo from the webpage. Now its Team Future. Think of it this way. Maybe the Site is Controlled by someone else and blacklist told him to remove him from the banner. Dont forget blacklist is in court debates now. I dont know, Make it short, Stay away right?

Since you only posted a couple times and hopefully didn't download any files, just let it go.

Asking to be removed may do more harm than good. Just let the account "die on the vine".

no I didnt download anything from them. I only download them from here.

i wouldnt be so,so worried....well,nevermind that....i just wanna say that another site that was shutdown(completefta.xxx)and was mentioned in court docs..... shut themselves down,and pulled the db's to keep it outta the wrong hands and keep thier members info confidential.
i only say this cuz the mods from complete incl.,monsterminds,jimmrbass,mental,stg,bidou,lill ypad,etc have found thier new home at a site ive been a member of for some timenow,and have cleared the air with us and also the mod i am speaking of has a tight relationship with the co-owner of that site....complete,and dosent post b.s!

lets hope the old future did the same and pulled thier db in time snd its not in charlies hands!!
oh sh!t.....i guess if they db wasnt compromised then why would ppl need to re-register..whered all that info go........??ya best tojust stay clear 4 now .

My guess they totally trashed everything in order to stay safe and redo everything resulting in people having to re register. Think about it. If indeed it did get into charlies hands why would they want people to re register why not just go undercover and pretend everything is all fine. I just dont see this happening. Charlie doesnt have the time to do it. They are after the source. Blacklist. Without Codes there is no Bins.

Takes pretty big balls to re-appear as the same exact site right after your nuts were busted....

That, and the fact the court docs indicated a "surprise attack" on Mr. Allison tells me he didn't take the site down, the courts did. Even though the server was offshore, the registrant was (and still is) US based.

How can a website transfer ownership that quickly? With the help of Federal agents assigned to Internet Security, that's who...

Again, this is all purely speculation. Best of luck to all the mods and NEW members over there.

I'll sit quietly and watch from the sidelines.

Just because ya dwnload a file. doesnt prove ya was uning it for illegal purposes......i test true fta,,,,but dwnload all kinds of files to look/break them dwn and see what exactly they are...just to keep my mind going.......... i can go to a site about how to make bombs,,,,,,doesnt mean that im going to.... Big boys are not worried bout the small folks...they want the coders and manufactours..bottom line

Their database got trashed by a mystery hacker. Maybe to protect the...innocent. It has happened to other site as well. Curious Contraptions showed what was best. It's the best thing for everyone. Whoever did it, thanks buddy.

Blacklist was a couple of people. That much is obvious. What they still need is someone to...finger BL. Actually, they need someone to finger one of them.

They always need a snitch. I don't think they got one for Pansat. So they still be looking. I bet Charlie loses this one. And that will be that.

This is all old. What we need to be alert to is NEW lawsuits.

The real point is, Charlie needed to get this done before the switch to Nag3 or his court case looses relevance. He will have little basis for a lawsuit after he switches to Nag3. Why? He is seeking injunctive relief from the hacking of Nag2. But his stream will be Nag3. The court will say, "No point to an injunction. You fixed the problem with technological means." The court always prefers that. In fact, that is the law--technological means first, always, before injunctive relief.

This is the last of the Nag2 FTA cases. Yup.

i think its all b****shi***t

RE: HeyRube

...This is the last of the Nag2 FTA cases. Yup.

Great post.

What you say is true. Once N2 is dead, so are all the pending lawsuits? I'm sure a savvy lawyer could get the charges dropped if the current (N2) encryption goes away. How can you steal wasn't isn't there anymore. Case closed. Move on. Not worth the lawyer fees at that point....even if they are on retainer.

Rumor is end of May N3..... we'll see!

Charlie was on thin ice as it was.

You know, Charlie has had the technological means to shut down all FTA for the past year. The question always posed is, "Why hasn't he fookin done it then?"

The reason why not are the lawsuits vs Coolsat, Pansat, and most of all VS.

Some background on civil law: Our system of civil law is designed to provide a means to settle disputes between two private parties. It is very hard to gather actual proof to sue someone. This is by design. The civil law system is designed so...both parties will not proceed for the full length of a trial, but instead...settle once both sides see what the other side has. A settlement is the goal, and it is reached the majority of time.

The point being that the court does NOT want to issue an injunction. An injunction is harmful. It tears the very fabric of freedom that America is weaved from. An injunction is...bad in a Constitutional sense.

So instead of relying on an injunction to solve a private dispute between two private parties which would damage America, and Americans, the court always prefers ANY other solution. An injunction is always the last possible resort to resolving a conflict.

Written into the law is the requirement to try and find, and use if possible, all technological means to solve a dispute, and therefore preempt the need to issue an injunction and harm America.

This requirement came about because of...disputes between two parties involved in matters regarding computers. The court depends on the honesty of the parties to find and use technological means since it is not cognizant of all that is possible technologically speaking.

Charlie is in court, crying and whining, "The FTA hackers are too tough. They kick my fat rich ass around the block, over and over. I beg the court for...injunctive relief, your honor. Sniffle." Then he shakes a tin cup with some wooden pencils in it, that he brought along for visual support. Charlie has this court thing down pretty well.

Charlie is saying he lacks the technology to stop FTA, and the copyright violations that occur. But that is a lie. We hackers know this for sure. Charlie could have tried the three timer ECM, and that would have done it. He was one step before that last year, and he suddenly stopped, and went back to an older, simpler ECM. No one could figure out WTF.

But his timing was a dead givaway. He stopped because the Kwak trial was starting, and he didn't want to take down FTA for good lest it affect the outcome of his lawsuit. Remember that Charlie has a legal requirement to try technological means FIRST, before asking for an injunction. If the court found that he had the means, and yet pursued injunctive means, Charlies loses, and would be whacked with a huge fine.

So Charlie could NOT take down FTA while in court crying and whining that it was NOT possible for him to take down FTA. That Catch-22 is a mofo, as Yossarian might have said.

Nag3 represents a technological means that precludes injunctive relief. He can't sue anyone until Nag3 is hacked, and he can prove it, AND after he has exhausted his ability to secure his stream with the technology that comes with Nag3. Not only does Nag3 stop the lawsuits instantly, but it does so for perhaps a year while Charlie tries, and fails at using his technology to solve his business problem. Charlie is legally bound to try ALL his technology, and fail, BEFORE he sues someone and seeks injunctive relief.

Civil court is almost always about what? A big business trying to bankrupt a smaller business. It is by its very nature uncompetitive. It is anti free market. It is unAmerican. That is all Charlie's lawsuits are about. It ain't about hackers or copyright. Not really. Charlie is making less money than he thinks he should, and he is saying FTA is to blame. So he is trying to bankrupt those companies so he can monopolize the marketplace like he did before FTA.

When you lose in civil court, no one is found guilty. Instead an injunction is issued that kills your business. They do this by bankrupting your company with huge fines that prohibit you from engaging in further business activities.

If the court had proof that Charlie has RIGHT NOW, the technology to kill FTA for good, and didn't use it, but instead sought injunctive relief, he would have lost his case, and been whacked with a huge fine. He is just lucky that the lawyers involved don't really understand the technology involved.

RE: HeyRube

...This is the last of the Nag2 FTA cases. Yup.

Great post.

What you say is true. Once N2 is dead, so are all the pending lawsuits? I'm sure a savvy lawyer could get the charges dropped if the current (N2) encryption goes away. How can you steal wasn't isn't there anymore. Case closed. Move on. Not worth the lawyer fees at that point....even if they are on retainer.

Rumor is end of May N3..... we'll see!

Um... wouldn't the fact that they are now blocking Pr0n that the technoliby does exist, and wouldn't the Defense se that?

Wow and I've had nothing to drink.. must be my key board.. :)

Whatever methods DN uses to thwart FTA must also be able to be used with their most popular receiver, the DP301. There are SO many of those receivers out there that any encryption method that requires more "horsepower" to work will not. I would guess that more than half of DN's customer base uses at least one DP301, DP311, DP322 or equivalent.

The FTA receivers easily out-muscle those receivers.

So this is why we have N3 on the horizon. N3 will work with older receivers, as well as the newest models. The decision was made long ago NOT to issue all new receivers as that would have been cost-prohibitive. Looking back, they now see that as a grave mistake. Had they issued replacements for their entire receiver base, the whole NagraVision encryption scheme could have been replaced with a proprietary one that no FTA receiver could emulate. A hardware solution is the only viable technological solution to the problem.

We are literally watching history unfold here. Watching as a large corporation struggles to rid itself of the leeches without harming their own customers in the process. Instead of issuing new cards they should have issued new boxes.

The cost was lower 2 years ago. Now they must decide if they are going to survive, they MUST come up with a new set of receivers and act sooner than later.

The cost of constant litigation and the adding of FTA receivers capable of interception are weighing heavily on the decision to make a hardware change, I'm sure.

Kinda like watching the schoolyard bully beat up the rich kid every day. Makes you feel a little sorry for the rich kid, but hey, he's rich. Take some Karate lessons.

speaking of blacklist and seeing this court stuff i was just wondering if any of you knew that..................

old future site !!!! WARNING WARNING!!!!!

Everyone needs to know that the old future site that recently reopened is a false site being ran by others no way connected to bl or any other of the previous owners. in no way or form is blacklist supporting that site.

yes the newly reopen future site is a false site and indeed is not supported by team blacklist.

My question is this: How did they obtain the domain name so quickly then? It had to be transferred or the timing was impeccable to be able to snatch it up before someone else did.
....Or people with more power/money/interest have obtained it to farm emails. Gather enough emails, send enough letters threatening lawsuits or whatever, and guess what? You have succeeded in putting a dent, however small, in the FTA userbase. Sure, threats of lawsuits are different than actually going after folks, but a large number would pull the plug if they thought DN could actually follow through with their threats. A letter in my mailbox would certainly make me stand up and take notice.

Maybe that's DN's new strategy. Infiltrate the FTA forums, gather emails, send threat letters, scare whoever they can into stopping their FTA hobby. Not a bad plan overall when you couple it with real lawsuits against manufacturers and coders...

We don't do anything illegal in these forums, so while Charlie no doubt has spies, he has no real reason to take over Web sites except to bankrupt them. He has far better luck if he can find that the owner of a Web site is also selling hardware. That is a no-no.

Charlie cannot send demand letters based on posts in an FTA forum. We still have the First Amendment to protect us. We can discuss practically anything. Or for that matter, downloading a bin. Downloading is not illegal according to the DMCA anyways. The uploading of copyrighted material is.

Demand letter victims are choosen one way. By Dave and by Charlie. That is by credit card. He busts a hardware dealer, get their customer list, who paid by CC, gets the addys from the CC company, BANG--demand letter. The hardware dealer is required by law to keep and maintain records on CC transactions so that documentation is always available.

Should one ever get a demand letter, throw it in the trash. A demand letter is sent for one reason--to verify your current address so they can serve you. Without a response, you will never get served. In America, you have the right to remain silent, so throw the demand letter in the trash and never think about it, or speak of it, again.

If one does respond to a demand letter--you will pay the extorted amount or they will see you in court. If you call them up, and scream, "I'll see you assholes in court," Charlie will show you just what an asshole he really is, and he'll show you in court.

The data recovered whenever a Web site is taken over is no value to anyone. Few use their real info. Those that do are buried in the BS. When they busted Overgrow, we learned that. There is nothing to fear with regards to data on a Web site even if you used your real info. They will not use it. Look up the Overgrow.com bust for the reason why. IP? IP don't mean squat. IP is just a number. It does not finger you. A search warrant has never been issued based on IP. Not in America.

I can think of a way to stop IKS FTA without a box swap or a card swap. A dongle that fits into the phone port of a Charlie box. A dongle is cheaper than plastic, much cheaper than a box. Mail one to every legit sub, done.

Stop IKS without any additional hardware--only plastic? Encrypt control words? Encrypt the conversation between the box and plastic? That won't do it as long as we can JTAG the boxes. Nope. I don't see how without some new hardware.

A lot has happened since Dave sent out his demand letters. What he did is now moot. He could not win because what he was suing for--possession of pirate hardware--the unlooper, is now deemed legal. Dave would have to prove you used an unlooper, and used it to sucessfully watch PirateTv. Proving you owned an unlooper is no longer good enough to win a lawsuit.

I seriously doubt this "new" future site is charlie owned,just stay away if your not comfortable.

Ftabins is a better site then futurefta ever was,the only reason anyone gave two shits about it was pansat bins were posted there first but that's not the case anymore so there is no reason to even visit that shit whole anymore.

Not sure whats gonna happen with N3 but if it is ever cracked you can bet your bottom dollar that I will be getting another brand.

But I havent done anything, lol I just registered. I didnt know it was illegal to register for message boards.

just dont go back.... if anyone is watching the site, they are recording ip address, and how long you are their, and who is uploading files and who is downloading files, if they go after anyone they go after the people that log in all the time and down loading, if your ip address was only logged in once. most likely they are not going to bother you since it looks like you where only reading the site, you can never tell what they doing over their,,, one thing for sure! blacklist doest own it anymore nor does the other guys that owned it with him, its under new owner ship. the old pansat/future site was owned by blacklist him self and other folks, they are all gone now. and they wiped the data base before they left. thats why you have to re-register and the banner reads supported by teamfuture now! now you would figure , that if this site was legit now, that pansat would support it, since its been pansats main release site since the beginning.. but not even pansat wants anything to do with it.

as far as these blacklist documents.. they have no idea who they looking for.....do you think this guy is still in the country???? guess again........he's long gone..... i know i would be since they dont have a real name, other than aka's and no photo to go by......for all they know blacklist could be living right next door to the owner of dish net and not even know it.... but my money is on he left the country....



just with everything going on and some people getting cuaght ,,,,,you have to think,,,, hmmmmmmm!!!!!!

just dont go back.... if anyone is watching the site, they are recording ip address, and how long you are their, and who is uploading files and who is downloading files, if they go after anyone they go after the people that log in all the time and down loading, if your ip address was only logged in once. most likely they are not going to bother you since it looks like you where only reading the site, you can never tell what they doing over their,,, one thing for sure! blacklist doest own it anymore nor does the other guys that owned it with him, its under new owner ship. the old pansat/future site was owned by blacklist him self and other folks, they are all gone now. and they wiped the data base before they left. thats why you have to re-register and the banner reads supported by teamfuture now! now you would figure , that if this site was legit now, that pansat would support it, since its been pansats main release site since the beginning.. but not even pansat wants anything to do with it.

as far as these blacklist documents.. they have no idea who they looking for.....do you think this guy is still in the country???? guess again........he's long gone..... i know i would be since they dont have a real name, other than aka's and no photo to go by......for all they know blacklist could be living right next door to the owner of dish net and not even know it.... but my money is on he left the country....



just with everything going on and some people getting cuaght ,,,,,you have to think,,,, hmmmmmmm!!!!!!

Well said Bro . TY.

My question is this: How did they obtain the domain name so quickly then? It had to be transferred or the timing was impeccable to be able to snatch it up before someone else did.
....Or people with more power/money/interest have obtained it to farm emails. Gather enough emails, send enough letters threatening lawsuits or whatever, and guess what? You have succeeded in putting a dent, however small, in the FTA userbase. Sure, threats of lawsuits are different than actually going after folks, but a large number would pull the plug if they thought DN could actually follow through with their threats. A letter in my mailbox would certainly make me stand up and take notice.

Maybe that's DN's new strategy. Infiltrate the FTA forums, gather emails, send threat letters, scare whoever they can into stopping their FTA hobby. Not a bad plan overall when you couple it with real lawsuits against manufacturers and coders...

I don`t think they would waste there money taking people like us to court. Alot of the ones that does have an FTA receiver doesn`t have all that much money to pay a hefty fine and I don`t think they will start throwing people in Jail for using an fta box cause the jails are over populated.

Charlie cannot send anyone to jail. Why? The only law we violate is the DMCA, and it is civil code, NOT penal code. You have to violate the penal code, ie, do something against the law, like stealing something or killing someone.

Stealing the satellite signal? No, we can't steal that. No one has ever been charged with that. Google it and see for yourself. Charlie is a broadcaster. IE, he cast his signal out broadly, as far as he can throw, so it is available for everyone.

We don't steal. We are never charged with theft. Not in America. They have in Canada, but the laws are different. They had to create a new type of misdeed to find us guilty of--intellectual crime. When we watch PirateTv without paying for it, we are guilty of copyright violations. The day they send peeps to jail for copyright violations is the day we start the revolution.

Charlie knows they can't "jail" any of us. But the mere threat of doing something like a civil suit would be a deterrent, however small.

Charlie is working the angles. Sue the manufacturers in open court for all to see.

Farm emails and intimidate the noobees into stopping what they are doing.

The veterans of this hobby are just chuckling (no pun intended) at the whole affair.

Laws in the US protect both sides. If you are a "broadcaster" then the battle is tougher for you to prove someone is actually "stealing" your broadcast.

Intimidation works, but not for everyone.... You'd be surprised how many end users are being "supported" by someone smarter than them. Without their "supporter" their free TV would go away after the next bin hit. I believe Dish is aiming at these types of people through intimidation tactics.

Rumors flying all over folks. Wait until N3 is full-on and see what happens next!

well the first document is the scariest one, showing that Mr. G** has an active investigation into piracy and is using several confidential informants over time to get information on active people in the fta industry in order to build cases. also we can see that they are going after big fish, such as a major pansat coder (long name guy in most recent April 29 pleading) and (apparently) a major coolsat/captain/viewsat coder--allison (from march 30 pleading and following judgment).

according to this first pleading there are people with some credibility in the fta world (not just the 1 point trolls) who are actually supplying information to DN about people they want to target. I understand this is being said partly to sow confusion and dissension in the fta ranks, but based on the people they have nailed and especially based on the level of detail in their suit against allison i would say that obviously G** has people, CI's with a high level of trust, in direct contact with the high level coders in the fta industry.

so everybody has to watch their back a little bit, if you are downloading files... which i am not, because i really like true fta. also, i would like to take this opportunity to say that i find all DN and Nagra employees, Mr. G** included, and especially their attorneys and confidential informants, to be extremely attractive, gifted, intelligent and good smelling people (although i've never actually smelled any of them...). :)

... also, i would like to take this opportunity to say that i find all DN and Nagra employees, Mr. G** included, and especially their attorneys and confidential informants, to be extremely attractive, gifted, intelligent and good smelling people. :)


... Can't smell too good where your nose is at! :eek:

they want the big boys,if they knock out fta boxes,then the coders they have won.no more free tv only true fta.that all they have to do and they know this.so thats why make it public to also make some see it going on and unhook the unit and sell.

all tactics and 75% will do just that drop it all.the die hards who been around for years will still be around but most newbs will read and say not worth it.

what would you say they would rather see if they couldn't stop it.
25% watching or 75% watching.lol

they want the big boys,if they knock out fta boxes,then the coders they have won.no more free tv only true fta.that all they have to do and they know this.so thats why make it public to also make some see it going on and unhook the unit and sell.

Garbage as long as there is money to be made there will always be someone else willing to take the risk. If the risk becomes to much for someone living in North America then they will hire the services of coders living elsewhere. Just like in the dtv days when the heat was on wewbsites hosted in North America many resorted to offshore services and hosting.

... Can't smell too good where your nose is at! :eek:

ha ha...

Not much sympathy for blacklist here. He killed my FLUs when I was just a noob.

Garbage as long as there is money to be made there will always be someone else willing to take the risk. If the risk becomes to much for someone living in North America then they will hire the services of coders living elsewhere. Just like in the dtv days when the heat was on wewbsites hosted in North America many resorted to offshore services and hosting.


not much Garbage there when the risk out ways the money then,be harder to see someone step up,so as i said go after the major player and coders with everything then risk gets higher for the next player.there are reasons as to why coders else where aren't doing it.to do it right and make sure what you code works,you need access to the stream if not your passing back and forth till runs right.
As for risk to high go somewhere else why dtv have no coder step up from another country would seem one of to things has happened cant be done which i doubt,the other fear of what beast you may wake if it comes to surface.well there is a third the other two players may have stopped it from coming to surface to make the dollar.

time will tell.